Young Jeezy ft. Freddie Gibbs – Rough
Jeezy teams up with Gibbs for another record off his ‘The Real Is Back 2′ project. Produced by Lil Lody.
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Previously: Young Jeezy ft. Freddie Gibbs & JW – Gotta See This
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August 19th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
The Microwave Generation >>>>
No one wants to work on a craft, accept feedback, and strive to improve until they reach a point of mastery.
Nah, they would rather do less than nothing to be successful, be angry with others who have witnessed and lived thru the struggle, and continue to believe they are striving a path by cutting corners and celebrating mediocrity.
just like Wondough.
JihaD
^dat ol fatherly gems ether
August 19th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
No nigga. It would be hip-hop if there was some type of reasoning behind it.
This is internet bullshit, and ya’ll are trying to keep it up to make yourselves laugh.
Its corny and a waste of time and resources for both parties. Wondough could have spent the time writing that bullshit and actually worked on his craft.
BSG can put his money into recording his music and paying for artwork.
But you niggas wanna laugh, so…
JihaD
——————–
Nah Jihad
You weren’t saying that when 50 Cent who is worth well over $300 Million was dressing in drag to make fun of Rick Ross
Or taking his baby moms shopping
That wasn’t even on wax
Beef = Hip-Hop
Hip-Hop = Beef
Hip-Hop was built on competition in the freestyle battles of the street
$Wondough$ showed that he’s about that life
Two solid diss tracks from both parties and they’d tire themselves out
Instead of bickering on nah for months
August 19th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Captain Planet Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Word.
The Microwave Generation >>>>
No one wants to work on a craft, accept feedback, and strive to improve until they reach a point of mastery.
Nah, they would rather do less than nothing to be successful, be angry with others who have witnessed and lived thru the struggle, and continue to believe they are striving a path by cutting corners and celebrating mediocrity.
————————-
Is it all worth it tho ?
The hard work ?
Just to get fired by your place of 20 year employment just because there was a run on a Greek bank ?
Does your employer care ?
Do the fans REALLY care ?
^
Its ALWAYS worth it.
Always.
We celebrate Nas, Camel, Ye, Curtis, Wu-Tang, etc because they WORKED to get to where they are. There is a Laundry list a mile long of rappers that have NEVER reached those heights because they didn’t put the type of effort needed to build their careers.
FACT.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Its ALWAYS worth it.
Always.
We celebrate Nas, Camel, Ye, Curtis, Wu-Tang, etc because they WORKED to get to where they are. There is a Laundry list a mile long of rappers that have NEVER reached those heights because they didn’t put the type of effort needed to build their careers.
FACT.
JihaD
————————
Hard Work is nice but let’s be real
We celebrate Great Work
If you were a natural and this rap shit came easy you’d get just as much credit
Probably more, people love a natural
August 19th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
CP your point is <<>>>>
On one end you have a point they could battle
But BSG a pro other dude well I mean c’mon
Truth CP I ai t got no prob w u (how could I it’s a chat room) even tho sone niggas do.
You young n just wanna sit back and laugh bout da shit
Fact
August 19th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Two solid diss tracks from both parties and they’d tire themselves out
Instead of bickering on nah for months
————————-
You and b bickered for months
Then one diss track from each of you and now you guys don’t even have time for each other
August 19th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
THe KiD FRanKiE Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
CP your point is <>>>
On one end you have a point they could battle
But BSG a pro other dude well I mean c’mon
———————–
Was b a pro ?
He recorded for the first time on his cell phone and got a mad hype response
Last I checked they don’t give out degrees for this rap shit
August 19th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Nah Jihad
You weren’t saying that when 50 Cent who is worth well over $300 Million was dressing in drag to make fun of Rick Ross
Or taking his baby moms shopping
That wasn’t even on wax
Beef = Hip-Hop
Hip-Hop = Beef
Hip-Hop was built on competition in the freestyle battles of the street
$Wondough$ showed that he’s about that life
Two solid diss tracks from both parties and they’d tire themselves out
Instead of bickering on nah for months
^
Nigga, you don’t KNOW what I said.
Curtis clowned that nigga BECAUSE it was corny- this nigga Ricky said Curtis gave him a “look” he didn’t like at a fucking award show, but instead of seeing the nigga RIGHT THEN AND THERE, he went and recorded a Diss song?
Thats called a publicity stunt, and wild pussy, homie.
I woulda sat around and clowned that nigga too. He kept getting caught in Lie AFTER lie, but niggas wanted to see Curtis FAIL so bad they ignored it.
Beef has never = Hip-Hop homie. EVER.
Competition= Hip-Hop.
FACT.
Don’t confuse the two.
Wondough has shown that he’s sensitive when people say he need to work on his music, and you have shown your willing to entertain nonsense.
Its corny on all ends, and BSG was right to ignore it.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Yo… LOL… mufuggas delusional… not to get pulled back into that dumb shit but…I refuse to give that nothing of a nigga any promo.. You are not worth more than a keystyle and CP u seem like u could be a aright nigga in real life but your opinion on the matter is worth less.. Back to your regularly scheduled program
August 19th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Beef has never = Hip-Hop homie. EVER.
Competition= Hip-Hop.
FACT.
——————-
Hip-Hop = Beef
Some of the best work from the Legends were cut in Beef
Let’s be real
August 19th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
$Wondough$ fulfilled his obligation to Hip-Hop in my eyes
He was a rapper bickering with a rapper on a website
Instead of getting carpal tunnel, he hit the studio
Now that there is what I’m talking about
We need less talk and more music in hip-hop
#TeamPutItOnWax
August 19th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
But we can agree to disagree JihaD
I just got $Wondough$’s back
He loves this art form, so I have to respect that
August 19th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Captain Planet Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Two solid diss tracks from both parties and they’d tire themselves out
Instead of bickering on nah for months
————————-
You and b bickered for months
Then one diss track from each of you and now you guys don’t even have time for each other
^
No.
We didn’t bicker for months- I NEVER knew what his problem was, PERIOD. At one time we were cool, and suddenly he’s upset and making wild comments. I ignored them, tried to ask what the issue was, then asked him to up a Song (not a diss).
TBH, I wasn’t going to record anything period– what did I have to gain? What did he have to gain?
Some c-section fans?
I said it multiple times on AAP- this is CORNY, and its not worth the 15 minutes of fame.
And I was proven right. No one talks about either track anymore.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
You know Cp
but these dudes will use reason and logic
tricking themselves
They rather appear right rather than do the right thing
Its too late for anything anyway…too much time passed..they had they chanceI put dough more heads know of me than yall
and you giving me the extra promo hahahhaa
Niggas is lying to themselves or to us
I been moved on
Dough > Currency
Watch the throne There is only room for $Won$
August 19th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I just got $Wondough$’s back (n)
August 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Niggas Just wanna pop popcorn
CP be foreeL
You couldn’t thought dude diss to BSG was worth anything more than a chuckle
Champions don’t battle wit amateurs
But I’ll let u tell it
August 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Captain Planet Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Beef has never = Hip-Hop homie. EVER.
Competition= Hip-Hop.
FACT.
——————-
Hip-Hop = Beef
Some of the best work from the Legends were cut in Beef
Let’s be real
^
no-sign.
Their is NO legend in Hip-Hop defined by beef.
NONE.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
For the record… LOL… I could give a fuck less about that dude… who’s bickering? You niggas bring this shit up… for shits n giggles… it wouldn’t be hip hop it would be picking on the handicap… I’m letting homeboy live… you know what is hiphop? #LIFESTYLEMUSIC #ZIPSQUADFLYNIGGAS
August 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
TBH, I wasn’t going to record anything period– what did I have to gain? What did he have to gain?
Some c-section fans?
I said it multiple times on AAP- this is CORNY, and its not worth the 15 minutes of fame.
And I was proven right. No one talks about either track anymore.
JihaD
———————-
Are you kidding ???
That’s etched into nahright history
That was one of the most classic moments on these boards
Even eskay had to put his two cents into it !
August 19th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
These niggas think they all that
Yall aint shit
Believe dat
August 19th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
THe KiD FRanKiE Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Niggas Just wanna pop popcorn
^
Thats the one (c) Ashmi
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Wondough…. All the best… LMAO
August 19th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
We didn’t bicker for months- I NEVER knew what his problem was, PERIOD. At one time we were cool, and suddenly he’s upset and making wild comments. I ignored them, tried to ask what the issue was, then asked him to up a Song (not a diss).
TBH, I wasn’t going to record anything period– what did I have to gain? What did he have to gain?
Some c-section fans?
I said it multiple times on AAP- this is CORNY, and its not worth the 15 minutes of fame.
And I was proven right. No one talks about either track anymore.
^niggas wanna be down, them take tha hate route!
“he gave me a funny look” route
Niggas beef w u for no reason! You ask em an they don’t even kno!
That’s called hatin
August 19th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Hip-Hop = Beef
Some of the best work from the Legends were cut in Beef
Let’s be real
^
no-sign.
Their is NO legend in Hip-Hop defined by beef.
NONE.
JihaD
———————-
I don’t believe I said that sir.
Can you make a list of Nas’ most influential work without ” Ether ” on the list ?
Didn’t Tupac/ Biggie East/West beef define an era in hip-hop … change its course … influence it for years to come ?
And 50 Cent’s career is covered in Beef
August 19th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
yo they let BSG in this motherfucker ?
whattup homie
August 19th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Actions >> Words
FUCK SPITTING GAME
yeah you too all the best hahahhaha
August 19th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Captain Planet Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
TBH, I wasn’t going to record anything period– what did I have to gain? What did he have to gain?
Some c-section fans?
I said it multiple times on AAP- this is CORNY, and its not worth the 15 minutes of fame.
And I was proven right. No one talks about either track anymore.
JihaD
———————-
Are you kidding ???
That’s etched into nahright history
That was one of the most classic moments on these boards
Even eskay had to put his two cents into it !
^
LOL, of course he did.
He also backed the fuck down when that plane ticket got e-mailed to him.
He WANTS to say slick shit to me cuz he KNOWS he can’t do shit to me any other way.
Thats no fucking history, homie. TBH, you ain’t been around here long enough to know the history.
No shots. Seriously.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Niggas beef w u for no reason! You ask em an they don’t even kno!
That’s called hatin
_______________________________________
They hold the mirrors to themselves and they dont even realize it
August 19th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Cp r u over 22?
Don’t get defensive
August 19th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Thats no fucking history, homie. TBH, you ain’t been around here long enough to know the history.
No shots. Seriously.
JihaD
———————–
I’ve been here for years
That and you offering eskay a plane ticket are two of the most memorable events during a couple years
I think that says a lot
I’m sure others would agree
August 19th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
I don’t believe I said that sir.
Can you make a list of Nas’ most influential work without ” Ether ” on the list ?
Didn’t Tupac/ Biggie East/West beef define an era in hip-hop … change its course … influence it for years to come ?
And 50 Cent’s career is covered in Beef
^
Of COURSE I can make a list of Nas songs without Ether.
EASY.
If you picked the 5 best Nas, Camel, Curtis, KRS, or 2Pac songs, your telling me you would include Ether, Takeover, Backdown, Bridge is Over (maybe), or Hit Em Up… Considering their CATALOGUES????
I don’t believe niggas, b.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
These niggas think they all that
^^^
Know why this is funny?
Cuz I ain’t never said BSG>>>>>> a million times in the comments…
I accept both compliment and critique equally…
Luckily I get more of the compliments…
Fuck a blog dog one day we gon meet
August 19th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
THe KiD FRanKiE Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Cp r u over 22?
Don’t get defensive
———————-
Why are you asking other niggas they age ?
You just want to say I’m young and dismiss my views
That’s a cop out
Don’t shoot the messenger
Plus Hip-Hop is a young man’s sport anyway
Honestly a young nigga would be better able to predict its trends and views better than a 30+ nigga
That’s just facts
August 19th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
Captain Planet Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Thats no fucking history, homie. TBH, you ain’t been around here long enough to know the history.
No shots. Seriously.
JihaD
———————–
I’ve been here for years
That and you offering eskay a plane ticket are two of the most memorable events during a couple years
I think that says a lot
I’m sure others would agree
^
Nigga, CYGIRG was LAST YEAR, lol.
But ok. This is going nowhere.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Armee Ov $Won$ >>>
August 19th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
License To Ill >>>>>
August 19th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I don’t believe I said that sir.
Can you make a list of Nas’ most influential work without ” Ether ” on the list ?
Didn’t Tupac/ Biggie East/West beef define an era in hip-hop … change its course … influence it for years to come ?
And 50 Cent’s career is covered in Beef
^
Of COURSE I can make a list of Nas songs without Ether.
EASY.
If you picked the 5 best Nas, Camel, Curtis, KRS, or 2Pac songs, your telling me you would include Ether, Takeover, Backdown, Bridge is Over (maybe), or Hit Em Up… Considering their CATALOGUES????
I don’t believe niggas, b.
JihaD
————————-
HAHA
All right Jihad
You know you’ve argued enough when niggas playing word games
Who made it a list of 5 ?
And I clearly said ” most influential ” not ” best ”
But like I said we’ve argued this enough
August 19th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
There he go that’s Trondo
August 19th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
$Won$ Day >>>>
August 19th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
ilovemia305 Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Niggas beef w u for no reason! You ask em an they don’t even kno!
That’s called hatin
_______________________________________
They hold the mirrors to themselves and they dont even realize it
^
No one hates you Ilovemia.
I just personally think your corny and your short bus shawty swag isn’t remotely interesting.
I keep telling you to do you, but keep the dry threats to yourself.
you ain’t bout that life, homie.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
They keep on talking
keep on talking
FUCK SPITTING GAME
August 19th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
You couldn’t thought dude diss to BSG was worth anything more than a chuckle
Champions don’t battle wit amateurs
But I’ll let u tell it
————————-
No shots, but what makes BSG a champion ?
He’s in the same position as numerous people trying to get in the game
Yall act like he’s Hov chilling in a Private Jet in Belize or something
August 19th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
*gets back home from office*
I’m a ZIP, but I respect Won.
I just wish he comments more and not troll so much. He’s an alright guy to me. but it seems like every time I make a comment to build on, he takes it the wrong way.
I wish him the best. I know we had our prollems in the past, just because I’m ZIP don’t mean I feel a certain way about him other than respect.
Do your thang Won. You have GOT to do the damn thang.
I think I needed to say that because sometimes, my comments look a little obscure.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Your hypothesis might lead to your conclusion
August 19th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
HAHA
All right Jihad
You know you’ve argued enough when niggas playing word games
Who made it a list of 5 ?
And I clearly said ” most influential ” not ” best ”
But like I said we’ve argued this enough
^
I didn’t make it a word game- you said influential, and if we are being honest, there are plenty MORE influential songs in each artists catalogue that have NOTHING to do with beef.
Ether and Takeover ain’t “influence” no rapper– at ALL. I ain’t EVER heard no rapper say no shit like that.
I HAVE heard rappers say Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt have influenced them, tho.
But whatever.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Hey CP… compared to your boyfriend I may as well be…and the whole zips… and Kev… and b… and dubb… and Joaquin Phoenix…
August 19th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
I didn’t make it a word game- you said influential, and if we are being honest, there are plenty MORE influential songs in each artists catalogue that have NOTHING to do with beef.
Ether and Takeover ain’t “influence” no rapper– at ALL. I ain’t EVER heard no rapper say no shit like that.
I HAVE heard rappers say Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt have influenced them, tho.
But whatever.
JihaD
————————
* Blank Stare *
* Opens Hip-Hop Dictionary *
ether – to dismantle a rapper, his life and his career lyrically so seriously that the battle is immediately $Won$
* daps JihaD *
I’ll let it go
August 19th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
WOOOHHH THIS BANGS!
August 19th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
I don’t hate Wonslo either
He got made I offered my opinion to his music he continuously ups
It’s trash
IMO
If you don’t like it make better music or stop offering it to the masses
Other than that I have no problem wit a troll
@ least have a good product tho
Your whole sound is terrible the delivery the flow the equipment
#give-up
August 19th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
They have no idea of my background and where I am from
Keep looking forward and
STAY IN YOUR LANE
August 19th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
SPITGAME Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Hey CP… compared to your boyfriend I may as well be…and the whole zips… and Kev… and b… and dubb… and Joaquin Phoenix…
———————
All right BSG
I’m sure you say that to yourself every morning when you wake up
Keep Grinding
August 19th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Yo
Dough > Currency
Alan gave him the bomb ass beat but he aint do it justice
$WonDough$ did though
August 19th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Wrote a piece on global population. All criticism is appreciated.
remixedreviews.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/mosquitoes-balls-and-and-humanity/
August 19th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Honestly tho
It must be hard to grind … do things the hard way … the old way …
And then Lil B sells out shows in New York doing it HIS way
The rules have changed gentlemen
Act accordingly
August 19th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
youtube.com/watch?v=B7FYXZcjElk
Dough > Currency
August 19th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
* Blank Stare *
* Opens Hip-Hop Dictionary *
ether – to dismantle a rapper, his life and his career lyrically so seriously that the battle is immediately $Won$
* daps JihaD *
I’ll let it go
^
*turns blank stare up even louder*
Your not going to seriously insinuate that Ether defined Nasir Ola Bin Duru’s Career, are you?
Word.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
I watched some 2 Chainzzzz vids
He says some of the craziest shit
But he has that sound
Chea might be right
He’s probably going to get a lot bigger
August 19th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
No shots, but what makes BSG a champion ?
^
No shots whatsoever toward BSG, but CP is right – BSG is no champion.
He’s a hungry unsigned rapper with insane talent, and he’ll get to that level someday with a lot of hard work and a few lucky breaks, but at this point- champion may be a stretch.
That being said, he’d look like he was picking on wondough if he really took the time to go in..
Whether he’s a champion or not may be debatable, but id say we can all agree that bsg and dough are NOT in the same weight class..
August 19th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
remixedreviews.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/mosquitoes-balls-and-and-humanity/
^Tomorrow.
I’ll give you my thoughts on this piece.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Wondo
U killed them curren$y beats literally
Where’s you’d visualls
Where’s the datpiffs or soundclouds
You not on ur grind 30 view on YouTube aint winnin
Step your hustle up b
50 Tyson x Eli porter
Are both better than you x they getting Wshh vids x show money…..u ain’t getting no money
Well wait you been trollin this act for years ur prolly 35 b
August 19th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
* Blank Stare *
* Opens Hip-Hop Dictionary *
ether – to dismantle a rapper, his life and his career lyrically so seriously that the battle is immediately $Won$
* daps JihaD *
I’ll let it go
^
*turns blank stare up even louder*
Your not going to seriously insinuate that Ether defined Nasir Ola Bin Duru’s Career, are you?
Word.
JihaD
——————–
HAHAHAH
This is getting kind of crazy
You keep asking me about things I never said
We’ve exhausted this issue
August 19th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Captain Planet Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Honestly tho
It must be hard to grind … do things the hard way … the old way …
And then Lil B sells out shows in New York doing it HIS way
The rules have changed gentlemen
Act accordingly
^
Word.
But lets ignore that Lil B had already grinded his way to a Major label deal and release before going solo.
Cuz you know, thats the easier narrative on his career.
Nah, lets just pretend that he suddenly appeared in NY performing shows.
SMH.
JihaD
August 19th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Yo Tron
I know he your boy
but picking on me
Like these niggas is bullies or sum
FOH
If he ever responded it will all be based on non factual shit
FACT
August 19th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Where’s you’d visualls
———————–
Frankie is actually right here $Won$
People need to see you to connect with you
When you do shows and get bigger they’re going to have to see you anyway
August 19th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Your not going to seriously insinuate that Ether defined Nasir Ola Bin Duru’s Career, are you?
^I actually had an argument with the kid in the mail room last week about this and he SWEARS NaS was a nobody until Takeover MADE people take notice…smh….
I was ready to strangle this nigga with his copy card key necklace.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
This nigga found his balls after they went missing Huh Kid
August 19th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
His boys found it for him
August 19th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Word.
But lets ignore that Lil B had already grinded his way to a Major label deal and release before going solo.
Cuz you know, thats the easier narrative on his career.
Nah, lets just pretend that he suddenly appeared in NY performing shows.
SMH.
JihaD
———————
Yea …
Those people who packed those venues are there to hear ” Vans ”
His past career has nothing to do with his current
He grinded himself
All the youtube videos, myspaces …
You need a label to make a facebook now ?
Anybody can do what Based Gawd did
Actually Soulja boy did it BEFORE him
August 19th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Cool TS. ‘preciate it.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
CP Timing is everything and all in due time
I just cant put my face out there like that when other things are going down and aint been resolved yet
I value my privacy
hence $WonDough$ >>>>>
August 19th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
People talk about who can make it or not make it in this industry like they know
Then who let V-Nasty and Riff Rap in here ?
August 19th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
ilovemia305 Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
CP Timing is everything and all in due time
I just cant put my face out there like that when other things are going down and aint been resolved yet
I value my privacy
hence $WonDough$ >>>>>
————————–
Understood.
But don’t let Jigga fool you
Success gets uncomfortable … and time waits for no $Won$ …
August 20th, 2011 at 12:01 am
2 Chainz Spend It
youtube.com/watch?v=ZsaxI1-tm84
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Frankie you CAN’T tell me this isn’t gonna destroy them clubs ?
I’m not a fan at all, but I know a hitmaker when i see it
August 20th, 2011 at 12:01 am
For sure.. I am used to being out of my comfort zone…so if it does get uncomfortable $Won$ will adapt
August 20th, 2011 at 12:03 am
2 Chainz >>>> that Racks on Racks shit
August 20th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Word.
But lets ignore that Lil B had already grinded his way to a Major label deal and release before going solo.
Cuz you know, thats the easier narrative on his career.
Nah, lets just pretend that he suddenly appeared in NY performing shows.
SMH.
JihaD
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Yea …
Those people who packed those venues are there to hear ” Vans ”
His past career has nothing to do with his current
He grinded himself
All the youtube videos, myspaces …
You need a label to make a facebook now ?
Anybody can do what Based Gawd did
Actually Soulja boy did it BEFORE him
^
And where’s soulja boy NOW?
SMH.
Niggas is building the roof before setting the foundation.
In B’s case, if he didn’t have that Major Deal and got a chance to leave the Bay, he NEVER would have made the connections necessary to EVENTUALLY make his way back to NY.
FACT.
And Lil B selling going double Charmin shows how much that Facebook page got him.
You niggas stay assuming this rap shit is free.
But then claim to support by going to shows you never actually attend.
But whatever.
Lil B >>>>> Wondough>>>>>2 Chainz
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:03 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:01 am
For sure.. I am used to being out of my comfort zone…so if it does get uncomfortable $Won$ will adapt
———————
* daps *
August 20th, 2011 at 12:05 am
CP Timing is everything and all in due time
I just cant put my face out there like that when other things are going down and aint been resolved yet
I value my privacy
hence $WonDough$ >>>>>
^aka you still in that home huh?
2 hidin from what? You? On a blog? Lmao
#StopitSlo
No one know u off this site
Fact
Your broke
Your wack
Your career is through
Where da product? Where da vids?
I’ll wait
When I see I’ll applaud you until then your troll status
Bum ass nigga
I’m here daily i hide from no man let alone screen name
You already proved u a bitch when shells stepped to you…..
Good nite
August 20th, 2011 at 12:05 am
But then claim to support by going to shows you never actually attend.
—————–
???????
I wasn’t at Lil B’s Coachella show ???
Is it really #ShowNProve time ???
You REALLY need me to up the pics ???
Nah, you don’t even wanna see Based Gawd
I know you believe I was there – why would I lie ?
August 20th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Won I’m not even taking shots at you personally.. But if BSG went back on you, would a single person say that u “won” ?
Nah..
BSG is like good for real man.. Like, way better than a LOT of the stuff that gets posted here. It doesn’t matter if it isn’t “based on fact” ..
He’s just makes way better music.
But keep working.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:06 am
Who did the steppin to HAHAHHAHAA
August 20th, 2011 at 12:07 am
And where’s soulja boy NOW?
SMH.
Niggas is building the roof before setting the foundation.
In B’s case, if he didn’t have that Major Deal and got a chance to leave the Bay, he NEVER would have made the connections necessary to EVENTUALLY make his way back to NY.
FACT.
And Lil B selling going double Charmin shows how much that Facebook page got him.
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Um … Soulja Boy is rich that’s a lot more than I can say about other niggas grinding like Papoose and Gillie Da Kid
And so because Lil B’s album didn’t sell that takes away from him being relevant ?
There are rappers who would literally kill to have their name mentioned as much as Lil B
Shows is where the money is anyway – ask Hov
August 20th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Hip hop doesn’t have any checks and balances, well sort of.. the purchasing of CD’s was a way, but we all know which way that’s going. Before I sidetrack myself from my issue, why can’t we just call a spade a spade? Some niggas can rap and others cannot. Point. Period. Fuck all that, I’m going to grind and make so much music that you’ll eventually like me. No. This written word, rhymed over a beat still requires some talent. Some niggas ain’t got it. Why can’t that just be laid out? That guy (we know who I’m talking about, he’s here) sucks. That’s it. Like no one can listen to those songs and think anything different (groupthink, yes). What’s so hard about that. Go do something else. It’s a zillion problems we’ll be facing within the next 20 years, not to mention right now. Music, honestly isn’t one of them. Despite what the fans may or may not be downloading.
First and last rant on that.
P.S, this can be applied to lil b as well. Daps CP.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:07 am
I know you aint Tron
You been cool
but I cant say the same about your boys
August 20th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Regardless of what the older generation will say, the younger generation will build themselves and defy all other mores previously set.
We did it with our generation, they will do it with theirs.
It’s what was done before we even showed up as cells in our parents bloodstream yo. This shit just happens.
Ask them b.c. niggas.
Young is always rebellious against old. But the grid always resets itself.
“No ideas original. Nothings new under the sun”
August 20th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Some niggas can rap and others cannot. Point. Period.
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$Wondough$ raps the way HE wants to, he doesn’t have to conform if he doesn’t want to
Prodigy NOT rhyming is part of his distinction
And if Kanye is writing what he is spitting on WTT then rappers aren’t born they are created
August 20th, 2011 at 12:11 am
youtube.com/watch?v=ZsaxI1-tm84
^yeaaaaaa
I can’t een deny that
They’d play that places I go lol
August 20th, 2011 at 12:12 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:07 am
I know you aint Tron
You been cool
but I cant say the same about your boys
^
Eat a dick, weirdo.
You know where to find me.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:12 am
But if BSG went back on you, would a single person say that u “won” ?
Like CP said Time waits for no $Won$
Its too late
and if I wanted to I can make diss tracks all day cause I know they aint got access to studios like that
Speed is essential in war and these niggas aint as mobile as they think they are
August 20th, 2011 at 12:13 am
No I dont..the only thing I know you is in ATL
August 20th, 2011 at 12:13 am
P.S, this can be applied to lil b as well. Daps CP.
———————-
I’m sure after he collects his hefty performance checks, he thinks about this and sighs
Rap isn’t defined by who can rap and what level of proficiency
It’s defined by if people like it or not
If 10 Million people like and support what you’re doing why conform ?
I think you guys are more guilty of groupthink than anyone else
August 20th, 2011 at 12:13 am
or savannah one of them cities in georgia
August 20th, 2011 at 12:13 am
* daps 911 *
August 20th, 2011 at 12:14 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:12 am
But if BSG went back on you, would a single person say that u “won” ?
Like CP said Time waits for no $Won$
Its too late
and if I wanted to I can make diss tracks all day cause I know they aint got access to studios like that
Speed is essential in war and these niggas aint as mobile as they think they are
^
Recording in your closet isn’t a studio fuck-off.
We spend GOOD money to get GOOD recordings.
Your rapping on a Kararoke Machine with a pair of ipod headphones.
And I be EVERYWHERE.
You afraid to show your face.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:14 am
THe KiD FRanKiE Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:11 am
youtube.com/watch?v=ZsaxI1-tm84
^yeaaaaaa
I can’t een deny that
They’d play that places I go lol
———————-
LOL
I told you !!!
August 20th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Says the one who puts on glasses and a cap to cover his face on video
$WonDough$ style might I add
August 20th, 2011 at 12:17 am
Yo props to 2 Chainz for reinventing himself
This on the whole is way better than the shit he was spitting in Playaz Circle
He’s gonna eat off this shit
August 20th, 2011 at 12:17 am
Crappy ass equipment and be heard when you want too >>>> Studios you dont have access to on the drop of a dime
August 20th, 2011 at 12:17 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Says the one who puts on glasses and a cap to cover his face on video
$WonDough$ style might I add
^
????
Retard, please.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:18 am
I listen to 48 bars in the gym
and real rap on long drives to clear my head.
Just saying. I think my niggas is a talented bunch.
I think Won could be better for the caliber of bars he spits. His cadence is the only thing that takes warming up to. but if he can sway people over to his side, then that’s a game changer.
But BSG will eat that nigga alive in a current bout.
Cadence is everything. Ask Waka.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:18 am
” It’s Mine … I Spend It … It’s Mine … I Spend It … “
August 20th, 2011 at 12:20 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Says the one who puts on glasses and a cap to cover his face on video
$WonDough$ style might I add
——————-
HAHAHAHAHAH
I didn’t even notice you guys have similar #SWAG
August 20th, 2011 at 12:20 am
I could care less about someone conforming, actually I’m all for going totally against the grain. Why not, we already know the averages to damn near everything. Proportionality, we all have an innate ability to identify when something is “off”. And that shit is off. Now whether we allow this to become something more than what it is, idk. What could be worse than someone like lil b going mainstream, it’s here, I heard it.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:20 am
Swear to god if you actually listen to Won though, and not his cadence, you’ll be surprised.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:20 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:17 am
Crappy ass equipment and be heard when you want too >>>> Studios you dont have access to on the drop of a dime
^
And thats why you have 30 youtube views and we have 500+ downloads on As Promised, 1,000 on 48 Bars of Terror, and 700+ on Karate School.
Quality ALWAYS trumps quantity.
ALWAYS.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Niggas aint eatin nothing
I been ate and Im was still hungry afterwards that I had to aim higher than these heads who gassed up
Niggas is fat and couldnt fill me up
August 20th, 2011 at 12:22 am
What could be worse than someone like lil b going mainstream, it’s here, I heard it.
————————
What does Lil B say or do that Lil Wayne hasn’t ?
What part of his #SWAG hasn’t been done and perfected by Prince ages ago ?
You guys are overreacting
August 20th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Troubleshooter1900 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:20 am
Swear to god if you actually listen to Won though, and not his cadence, you’ll be surprised.
———————
$Wondough$ BEEN dropping gems
He’s a deep thinking and paradoxes are part of his expertise
August 20th, 2011 at 12:24 am
Soulja Boy was all over TV for a long while
Nobody died
August 20th, 2011 at 12:24 am
* thinker
August 20th, 2011 at 12:24 am
I hate lil b. And CP’s arguments for that nigga made me revisit because I thought, “oh, maybe, just maybe I wasn’t listening right”.
Went back and listened, wanted to fly to Cali just to punch CP in the face and take that nigga to a NaS concert to show him what rap is.
But to each his own. And I respect that.
BTW, no shot CP, just sayin. I was really pissed I listened to that shit again.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:24 am
I put out that song like the other day
and they putting it against sum that been out for years
They want to talk about numbers but they aint looking in the right spot
FUCK SPITTING GAME
August 20th, 2011 at 12:26 am
Went back and listened, wanted to fly to Cali just to punch CP in the face and take that nigga to a NaS concert to show him what rap is.
———————–
LOL
Funny story
I saw Nas and Lil B in concert for the first time in the same weekend
Sounds like a story I’ll tell my kids
August 20th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Rap isn’t defined by who can rap and what level of proficiency
It’s defined by if people like it or not
_____________________________________
My nigga, you might be describing popular culture. A rapper is very much defined by how well he raps. Why you think the best are always mentioning whether their top 5 or what have you in rhyme. The lesser know better, to not to. It’s a reason the fans of certain lesser artist float the idea of them not being totally hip hop and possible bending genres, cuz niggas can’t rap.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:28 am
I can dig it, tho. The bul Danny Brown was right-
“Everybody has fans, somewhere, even themselves. Who am I to tell them not to make music?”
IloveMia, do you- don’t mention me and mine in your comment box, and I’ll glady ignore yours.
Lifestyle Music >>>>>
As Promised (The Remixes) >>>>>
Orion’s Belt >>>>>
BillBoard Status >>>>>
Thats the next wave leading to BSHM.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:28 am
@ TS
Based Gawd in YOUR City getting CRAZY Love
There’s A LOT of people you gotta ” slap ”
youtube.com/watch?v=VnQgAXYBv1g
August 20th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Revenge is a dish best serve cold but it still tasty as fuck when that shit straight out the oven
August 20th, 2011 at 12:30 am
they’re > their
shit.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:31 am
@ TS
Based Gawd in YOUR City getting CRAZY Love
There’s A LOT of people you gotta ” slap ”
youtube.com/watch?v=VnQgAXYBv1g
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LMAO @ the Security Guard behind Based Gawd not being able to help himself from #SWAGGING
Like when that ” Ellen Degeneres ” beat drops – How can you ?
If you don’t fuck with the music, you don’t fuck with the music
That don’t mean you gotta hate
I never thought the point of this music shit was to like everything anyway
August 20th, 2011 at 12:33 am
911 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Rap isn’t defined by who can rap and what level of proficiency
It’s defined by if people like it or not
_____________________________________
My nigga, you might be describing popular culture. A rapper is very much defined by how well he raps. Why you think the best are always mentioning whether their top 5 or what have you in rhyme. The lesser know better, to not to. It’s a reason the fans of certain lesser artist float the idea of them not being totally hip hop and possible bending genres, cuz niggas can’t rap.
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That’s great
I Love Based Gawd’s music but Papoose is light years ahead of him lyrically
Is that putting food on Papoose’s plate ?
Are people running to his shows to hear ” somebody rap really well ” ?
I’m saying it’s a lot simpler than that
Either people fuck with you or they don’t
No if, ands or butts
August 20th, 2011 at 12:34 am
*watches video of lil b getting punched in the face*
relaxes. I feel like this guy and quite a few others are making a mockery of hip hop.. Godsun ain’t never lied, hip hop been dead. It is what it is. I’ll continue to potshot those I think stink and life will continue to degrade our health and bring about our mortality quicker. I just died a little more typing this. As did you reading it. Life is indeed ill.
Full of distractions.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:34 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:24 am
I put out that song like the other day
and they putting it against sum that been out for years
They want to talk about numbers but they aint looking in the right spot
FUCK SPITTING GAME
^
Or not.
Your a cornball, homie.
I tried to be cool, but lets just keep it all the way funky.
Your mother shoulda swallowed you, b.
Fuck Spitting Game by $WonDough$
Beat by OBS cover by mari@graphicminded
by 305ilovemia | 1 week ago | 14 views
^
these are you heroes…. all 14 of em.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:35 am
@ TS
Based Gawd in YOUR City getting CRAZY Love
There’s A LOT of people you gotta ” slap ”
youtube.com/watch?v=VnQgAXYBv1g
————————
MY GOD !!!
Do you see how much energy is in that room ???
How can you deny that ???
August 20th, 2011 at 12:36 am
Jeezy using that ‘Lets Talk About It’ Flow on ‘Rough’
August 20th, 2011 at 12:37 am
life will continue to degrade our health and bring about our mortality quicker. I just died a little more typing this. As did you reading it.
^
*dies* a little more
(don’t even ask me how..)
August 20th, 2011 at 12:38 am
I Love Based Gawd’s music but Papoose is light years ahead of him lyrically
Is that putting food on Papoose’s plate ?
Are people running to his shows to hear ” somebody rap really well ” ?
^
It is, tho.
Papoose still does shows and people go to hear him rap.
The point of entering any type of industry is to be successful- its how you MEASURE success is the question.
A rapper like Sean P will rap circles around Lil B, but he’s not an internet creation- but he can take care of his family and do what he likes to do for a living.
Pop culture will tell you clownshoes like Machine Gun Kelly and Riff Raff and V-Nasty are next up.
Regular niggas will laugh in your face.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:38 am
So views make up for content..if you know anything about youtube…views can be very misleading..one day its this one day its that…Its higher then its lower..but I dont give a fuck
I aint even started yet but I put dough down that more heads know of $WonDough$ than all yall niggas combined on your squad
August 20th, 2011 at 12:39 am
911 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:34 am
*watches video of lil b getting punched in the face*
relaxes. I feel like this guy and quite a few others are making a mockery of hip hop.. Godsun ain’t never lied, hip hop been dead. It is what it is. I’ll continue to potshot those I think stink and life will continue to degrade our health and bring about our mortality quicker. I just died a little more typing this. As did you reading it. Life is indeed ill.
Full of distractions.
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LMAO
Prodigy getting punched by Saigon didn’t change the way I felt about his music either way
Funny we talk about lyric ability having to do with an artist’s appeal
Then you talk about an occurrence that has nothing to do with music
I think a large part of life is enjoying your distractions wisely
I surely do
August 20th, 2011 at 12:39 am
this jawn is mean.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:40 am
Papoose still does shows and people go to hear him rap.
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Papoose ain’t selling nowhere out, b.
Let’s be serious.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:41 am
They see the details but not the big picture
Total Upload Views:
17,944
and thats low but compared to yall No comparison
This just the beginning homeboy
August 20th, 2011 at 12:41 am
That’s great
___________
don’t patronize me nahgga. I saw your point (II) and raised the pot like 2 stacks and brought the bet back. You just responded with Papoose versus lil b. I think papoose sucks too. Try again. Cats is still running to NaS shows.. and Ye and Jay.. last I checked they can still rap, well too. Shit, top 5 even. Lol.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:42 am
@ TS
Based Gawd in YOUR City getting CRAZY Love
There’s A LOT of people you gotta ” slap ”
youtube.com/watch?v=VnQgAXYBv1g
———————
I don’t watch this video and think ” Oh man if he just threw a double entendre in there ”
I watch it and get jealous of how much fun them niggas had that night (n)
August 20th, 2011 at 12:44 am
911 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:41 am
That’s great
___________
don’t patronize me nahgga. I saw your point (II) and raised the pot like 2 stacks and brought the bet back. You just responded with Papoose versus lil b. I think papoose sucks too. Try again. Cats is still running to NaS shows.. and Ye and Jay.. last I checked they can still rap, well too. Shit, top 5 even. Lol.
—————–
LOL
Let’s put this in perspective
JihaD and I were having a discussion
You inserted your views and I kindly responded
I have no desire to continue if it’s already this heated – I’ve said my piece
* daps 911 *
August 20th, 2011 at 12:44 am
I tried to be cool, but lets just keep it all the way funky.
_____________________________________________________
this one.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:45 am
Pop culture will tell you clownshoes like Machine Gun Kelly and Riff Raff and V-Nasty are next up.
Regular niggas will laugh in your face.
———————–
How many regular niggas buy albums ?
Or even go to shows anymore ?
Regular niggas at home replaying 90s hits from Pac and Ghostface
August 20th, 2011 at 12:46 am
Nah CP,
I was invited by my boy and passed. He writes for the Chicago Reader and wanted to sway me.
I was mad I missed the event. Was in Seattle interning on a Black & Decker case.
I heard it was dope though.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:46 am
That’s great
I Love Based Gawd’s music but Papoose is light years ahead of him lyrically
Is that putting food on Papoose’s plate ?
Are people running to his shows to hear ” somebody rap really well ” ?
I’m saying it’s a lot simpler than that
Either people fuck with you or they don’t
No if, ands or butts
^then as earlier stated you must agree that Pittasburgh is the new movement based on this argument
August 20th, 2011 at 12:47 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:40 am
Papoose still does shows and people go to hear him rap.
——————–
Papoose ain’t selling nowhere out, b.
Let’s be serious.
^
You ain’t got to sell out to make money.
Never have.
You can flip it how you want, but Pap performs and makes money– he’s BEEN doing this for years now, with NO album.
A good tour manager and booking agency will get you a tour- either on your own or with another artist.
FACT.
That nigga can perform in the tri-state for the rest of his life as long as people still want to hear Alphabetical Slaughter and the Touch It (Remix).
It may not be fair, you may not like it, but thats the truth.
Its the reason why Shawty Lo STAY touring the chitilin circuit up and down these small ass southern cities.
Same reason why Waka wasn’t concerned with releasing no album- he was making 11,000 a show off mixtape songs.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:47 am
Troubleshooter1900 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:46 am
Nah CP,
I was invited by my boy and passed. He writes for the Chicago Reader and wanted to sway me.
I was mad I missed the event. Was in Seattle interning on a Black & Decker case.
I heard it was dope though.
———————–
* is Confused *
Why would you want to see an artist you so clearly hate ?
August 20th, 2011 at 12:47 am
Daps CP. Nah you cool peeps, I just type like I talk, quick wit and lots of shit spewed. I’m lol’ing and playing 2k11 on the ps3. I’ll whoop anybody ass in it too, I got it on the 360 and the wii too. I’m online nahggas. Holla at me.
Disposable income >>>
August 20th, 2011 at 12:47 am
*Salutes Shells, Tron, Trouble, Dubb*
*Daps Wondough*
I can get in the stu when I want sport… ima keep my energy for this #OrionsBelt project
This shit tofu…
Secretly niggas really just want a nigga to go in (II)…
“Y’all ackin like he Hov…”
So I go so hard make him wanna outshine me…
But 1st you gotta out RHYME me…
Bought a brand new eagle for the corners damn right I call that mufugga Nnamdi…
August 20th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Channel Views:
16,412
How about that too which is totally different and seperate from the upload views
add the two and what you get
A whole lot more than yall
August 20th, 2011 at 12:49 am
^then as earlier stated you must agree that Pittasburgh is the new movement based on this argument
———————
I BEEN telling niggaas Mac Miller had a movement
Check the archives !
Even back when even YOU were hating on him
Young Cali white boys love Mac
He makes that smoke / chill out music
And there’s no question Wiz is one of the biggest artists in the game right now
August 20th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:45 am
Pop culture will tell you clownshoes like Machine Gun Kelly and Riff Raff and V-Nasty are next up.
Regular niggas will laugh in your face.
———————–
How many regular niggas buy albums ?
Or even go to shows anymore ?
Regular niggas at home replaying 90s hits from Pac and Ghostface
^
I do, for one.
I buy and support artists I like because I KNOW the costs involved in putting that project together.
Everyone assumes artists get to go touring, not knowing that bootlegging their album leaves them in debt with the label, then they complain when the artists has to compromise their sound to get another album out so they can tour again.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:50 am
That B & D check paid JihaD, my Honda Element, and my assessments for about 5 months so I was content.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:51 am
$WonDough$ is gonna reach Lil B Mac Miller numbers though my style different just watch
It might take a minute but he’ll get put on $Won$ way or another
August 20th, 2011 at 12:51 am
Secretly niggas really just want a nigga to go in (II)…
————————-
It’s no secret !
I wanted you to put that tough talk in a diss
$Won$ did
But at this point I realize that’s not going to happen
Even $Won$ is over it
In all seriousness, $WON$ $WON$ the battle in my eyes
He went in and forfeits count as losses
I hope that Orion’s Belt comes out nicely tho
August 20th, 2011 at 12:52 am
Rap = Music
Hip Hop = Entire Culture
Hip Hop isn’t dead. MC’s and actual entertainers with talent still exist. These internet WSHH stars are just like youtube sensations/ reality tv stars. A lot of people in the internet age have gotten their 15 seconds and then disappear and then new people reappear and so on.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:53 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:51 am
$WonDough$ is gonna reach Lil B Mac Miller numbers though my style different just watch
It might take a minute but he’ll get put on $Won$ way or another
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I’ve been warning niggas …
When it happens the Screwface Meter on Nah is going to reach 100 Trillion !!! (n)
Niggas won’t know what to do with themselves !!! (n)
August 20th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Ignore the bullshit and enjoy what you like..
August 20th, 2011 at 12:54 am
Why would you want to see an artist you so clearly hate ?
^I say “hate”, but I hate no one. TRUST. I don’t like his music, but I ubberly respect his grind and hustle. How can I hate that?
I heard it was live. And from the rest of the 20 minute concert he put on I heard about, I wanted to be there (I’m a sucker for concerts b, even Esperanza Spalding) to be apart of the energy.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:54 am
Everyone assumes artists get to go touring, not knowing that bootlegging their album leaves them in debt with the label, then they complain when the artists has to compromise their sound to get another album out so they can tour again.
JihaD
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If you’re signing with a label in 2011 and complaining about recoup and piracy you’re an idiot and should be treated as one
August 20th, 2011 at 12:55 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Channel Views:
16,412
How about that too which is totally different and seperate from the upload views
add the two and what you get
A whole lot more than yall
^
Joke numbers that have translated to no, well “dough” for you. Everytime you open up your own video, you get a fucking view- theres NO way to track individual views.
Where’s ya project at? You got a bandcamp? you on Reverbnation? you on Datpiff? Where’s ya reciepts? How much you sold?
You can keep upping every shitty song you record in your closet, keep getting 10- 20 views every month.
We gon keep getting real download #s that labels can track and verify. Keep getting blogs and websites to interview us and anticipate our music.
We gon keep putting our bread in the right areas, and letting the music speak for itself, not troll websites from our mother’s basement.
Your a cornball, homie. You don’t even understand the business you’ve entered, much less how to get something out of it.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 12:55 am
*Daps BSG for the hundredth, thousandth, trillionth time*
All blessings my dude.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:56 am
I heard it was live. And from the rest of the 20 minute concert he put on I heard about, I wanted to be there (I’m a sucker for concerts b, even Esperanza Spalding) to be apart of the energy.
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AwwwREADY !!!
It begs the question TS … you seem like a good dude
So how can you spend so much time badmouthing something or somebody that clearly gives a lot of the people you know such joy ? (n)
August 20th, 2011 at 12:56 am
I BEEN telling niggaas Mac Miller had a movement
Check the archives !
Even back when even YOU were hating on him
Young Cali white boys love Mac
He makes that smoke / chill out music
And there’s no question Wiz is one of the biggest artists in the game right now
^yoyngin you always quick to argue n shoot
I was simply pallerin ur arguments
Relax b
It’s not that serious
Put that guns down
August 20th, 2011 at 12:56 am
Nigga it’s like 400 to 500 rappers, in a 50 man league. And only 30 or so drop albums. That’s harsh. I might be understating how many rappers there actually are, shit let alone aspiring. Niggas need better role models. Matter of fact, all my numbers might be off, but the ratios are about right.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Even $Won$ Is Over It
^^^
Oh word?
I brought all this shit back up?
Niggas is spin masters…
You know EXACTLY how it a go…
August 20th, 2011 at 12:57 am
You have no idea what I got IN STORE like my products in the flea market spot
August 20th, 2011 at 12:57 am
If you don’t make love to Beyonce
Or wear blouses with your Yeezys
Your album is going to get leaked and dLed
Deal with it
August 20th, 2011 at 12:58 am
SPITGAME Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Even $Won$ Is Over It
^^^
Oh word?
I brought all this shit back up?
Niggas is spin masters…
You know EXACTLY how it a go…
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Naw, no shots, but JihaD did
He said because $Won$ said your name in that diss he was gonna keep going at him on sight
I was just defending $Won$’s diss
August 20th, 2011 at 12:59 am
And there’s no question Wiz is one of the biggest artists in the game right now
^
LOL
August 20th, 2011 at 1:00 am
THe KiD FRanKiE Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:56 am
I BEEN telling niggaas Mac Miller had a movement
Check the archives !
Even back when even YOU were hating on him
Young Cali white boys love Mac
He makes that smoke / chill out music
And there’s no question Wiz is one of the biggest artists in the game right now
^yoyngin you always quick to argue n shoot
I was simply pallerin ur arguments
Relax b
It’s not that serious
Put that guns down
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LOL there were no shots there
I was just emphasizing how long ago I’ve been saying Mac Miller was doing things
All the way back when you were embarrassed he was even connected to Wiz
August 20th, 2011 at 1:00 am
twitpic.com/68ou19
Oh shit….
August 20th, 2011 at 1:01 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:54 am
Everyone assumes artists get to go touring, not knowing that bootlegging their album leaves them in debt with the label, then they complain when the artists has to compromise their sound to get another album out so they can tour again.
JihaD
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If you’re signing with a label in 2011 and complaining about recoup and piracy you’re an idiot and should be treated as one
^
*blank stare*
You have zero CLUE about independent artists and their musical costs.
What? You think this recording shit is FREE? EVERYONE has to recoup- either to THEMSELVES, their INVESTORS, or their LABEL.
Mixing, mastering, artwork, vidoes, photos <– this shit costs MONEY, especially if you want it done PROPERLY.
Maybe for hobbist's like ilovemia–they don't give a fuck how they music sound.
But if I'm gonna put my paper on my BSG and B-Ease and M-Lito, I want them presented PROPERLY, and even THEN I'm putting up BIG money to ensure that they have a foundation to work with.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:01 am
Yeah then he says I wont type in your direction and you dont
and what is the first thing he does
Look at the chronological order
They words aint shit and holds no weight round here
August 20th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Rajon Trondo Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:59 am
And there’s no question Wiz is one of the biggest artists in the game right now
^
LOL
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Did I stutter ?
Sales – Shows – Radio Play
I’m sure you guys metric on how big an artist is uses terms such a Lyrical Ability and Gangster Rating tho
August 20th, 2011 at 1:02 am
So how can you spend so much time badmouthing something or somebody that clearly gives a lot of the people you know such joy ? (n)
^I don’t talk about Lil B that much. Mainly because what I’ve heard I don’t like (but the joint he did with Kweli and Jean, and a few others).
That’s really it though. I’m not a fan but I reserve my own judgement and omit judgement on others for being a fan of the man.
That about sums it up.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:03 am
When it happens the Screwface Meter on Nah is going to reach 100 Trillion !!! (n)
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post lil b best song and post iheartmia best song and you can get that reaction right now. II.
Fuck the silly shit though, that niggas in paris is dope. 5 dope songs on WTT, the rest are.. ehh. I don’t listen to them.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:58 am
SPITGAME Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Even $Won$ Is Over It
^^^
Oh word?
I brought all this shit back up?
Niggas is spin masters…
You know EXACTLY how it a go…
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Naw, no shots, but JihaD did
He said because $Won$ said your name in that diss he was gonna keep going at him on sight
I was just defending $Won$’s diss
^
No I didn’t nigga.
That retard stumbled in the door making offhand comments like he always does.
I SAID that nigga pussy and he keep my nigga name in his mouth, so fuck him.
Then I said forget it.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:04 am
I still don’t co sign wAc miller no
But he from my city so I spect it
Plus he cane up under GRA
U kno what dat stand for
Wizzle (n)
Off dat Bombay
Tgod
August 20th, 2011 at 1:04 am
@ JihaD
Obviously it’s hard to remain independent
But it has been done – artist ARE doing it – it’s a viable option
So if you get on a label and STILL complain about the SAME shit artist have been complaining about for years ?
Yes, you are an idiot in my eyes
It’s just simple pros and cons.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:04 am
Young Cali white boys love Mac
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Cornballs cosigning another cornball? Oh.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:05 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:57 am
You have no idea what I got IN STORE like my products in the flea market spot
^
….
k.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:05 am
Comments that get under your skin
You get trolled on
on the regular
Niggas is victims and talk about others is pussy
Keep on talking
August 20th, 2011 at 1:06 am
Yeah come through and buy a shirt..I would love to see you
August 20th, 2011 at 1:07 am
Hell, homophelia is loved by some of my loved ones but I shun it in my personal life.
They do what they do. Just don’t enforce it on me or I’m obligated to go Synke on niggas.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:07 am
*daps 911*
I done finally got a chance to listen to this song.
Jeezy >>>>
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:07 am
I’m sure you guys metric on how big an artist is uses terms such a Lyrical Ability and Gangster Rating tho
______________________
*hears bullets ricocheting off cinder blocks and chevelles*
LMBAO. touche’ nahgga, touche’. II
August 20th, 2011 at 1:08 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 12:58 am
Naw, no shots, but JihaD did
He said because $Won$ said your name in that diss he was gonna keep going at him on sight
I was just defending $Won$’s diss
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No I didn’t nigga.
That retard stumbled in the door making offhand comments like he always does.
I SAID that nigga pussy and he keep my nigga name in his mouth, so fuck him.
Then I said forget it.
JihaD
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JihaD Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Like I said, I have no issue with him or his music, but he put my homie in a verse, so he gets shitted on everytime I see him, and if he ever thinks he’s got enough dough flowing thru his veins to step to me, he can die a like Stay Puft Marshmellow man.
FACT.
JihaD
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That’s all I said you said, b.
Nothing less, nothing more.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:09 am
Whose shells burn…not yours homeboy
August 20th, 2011 at 1:10 am
Troubleshooter1900 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:07 am
Hell, homophelia is loved by some of my loved ones but I shun it in my personal life.
They do what they do. Just don’t enforce it on me or I’m obligated to go Synke on niggas.
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LOL you know I’m only joking
But if you equate Lil B to homophelia – it sounds like you would go to a homo party if you heard it was popping
LMAO, I’m just following your logic and laughing about it
August 20th, 2011 at 1:10 am
Big545 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:00 am
twitpic.com/68ou19
Oh shit….
______________________________
He’s been doing that, (pics with current and former dolphins) for something like the last five years. They be letting that nigga onto the sidelines and everything.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:10 am
ilovemia305 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:09 am
Whose shells burn…not yours homeboy
^
Corny.
Try harder while your selling stolen CVS batteries at the flea market.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:12 am
LF: Danny Brown is the most underrated rapper right now.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:12 am
Big545 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:04 am
Young Cali white boys love Mac
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Cornballs cosigning another cornball? Oh.
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That’s all of Eminem’s fanbase in my eyes.
But people on here still got him in their top 25 or something
August 20th, 2011 at 1:13 am
why? Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:12 am
LF: Danny Brown is the most underrated rapper right now.
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I’m not a fan at all that’s why I don’t see it
But my choice would be Killer Mike – he has to be up there
August 20th, 2011 at 1:14 am
The real question is, wtf was that from the eagles yesterday, jihad?
August 20th, 2011 at 1:14 am
Usually tho …
There’s a reason somebody is underrated
In Killer Mike’s situation I just don’t think he has the charisma
He has the lyrics, the depth, even great beat choices.
He’s just not that likeable (n)
He comes off like people owe him something
August 20th, 2011 at 1:15 am
You have no idea what I got IN STORE like my products in the flea market spot
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Flea Markets outdoor tho…….
August 20th, 2011 at 1:15 am
@ TS
No disrespect intended
Just joking about the logic
* daps *
August 20th, 2011 at 1:15 am
why? Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:12 am
LF: Danny Brown is the most underrated rapper right now.
^
Underrated isn’t the correct word.
He’s building his fanbase right now, and doing it in a manner that will allow him to expand his fanbase and still be himself musically.
Nobody that listen’s to Danny Brown underrates him, tho. We all know he’s dope as fuck.
*plays Nosebleeds again*
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:16 am
Big545 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:00 am
twitpic.com/68ou19
Oh shit….
———————
Why’s Meek Millz always got the ” escaped refugee ” face on ???
August 20th, 2011 at 1:17 am
lol @ danny brown. He looks like a reformed crackhead prostitute, no way no how pause all that. No teeth and a rihanna hair do. Yep, it’s getting close.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:20 am
Clearly Danny Brown is more lyrical than Lil B
But he just strikes me as a more pretentious version of him
Ready and willing to say anything that will shock you
And he’s got that off the top of the dome free association vibe
August 20th, 2011 at 1:20 am
911 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:14 am
The real question is, wtf was that from the eagles yesterday, jihad?
^
We looked like a team adding in 7-8 new players without the time to do so…
I think we targeted Desean a little too much early, we didn’t really run anything exotic on offense, and we only rushed a 4 man.
Plus, our safety gets burnt over and over again, and Casey Matthews got pushed around in the middle cuz our two larger d-lineman were out.
Vick was pressing, but only that 2nd interception was his- the 1st he lost the safety due to the blitz, and the third was a broken play- I think in a live game he woulda just took off and ran with the ball.
I’m not really worried cuz all that shit is correctable, but it was a good learning experience and it knocked all the bandwagon niggas the fuck off so we can concentrate on football.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:20 am
Why can’t niggas be normal, lol. Shout out to forward thinkers and all y’all eccentric folks, to include myself.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:21 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:16 am
Big545 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:00 am
twitpic.com/68ou19
Oh shit….
———————
Why’s Meek Millz always got the ” escaped refugee ” face on ???
^
Its Meek Mill… no z, homie.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:21 am
911
4 mins ago
The real question is, wtf was that from the eagles yesterday, jihad?
^stop it fam… You kno what happened
Black n Yellow! Ain’t no wins there b
As for Sanny Brown he finished off look alone
You can’t tell me Detroit niggas dress like that
August 20th, 2011 at 1:23 am
Captain Planet Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:14 am
Usually tho …
There’s a reason somebody is underrated
In Killer Mike’s situation I just don’t think he has the charisma
He has the lyrics, the depth, even great beat choices.
He’s just not that likeable (n)
He comes off like people owe him something
^
You don’t listen to very much Killer Mike do you??
Mike speaks with me ALL the time on twitter, and might be one of the most humble artists in the game- he knows what he is and the respect he shows his supporters is ridiculous.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:25 am
THe KiD FRanKiE Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:21 am
911
4 mins ago
The real question is, wtf was that from the eagles yesterday, jihad?
^stop it fam… You kno what happened
Black n Yellow! Ain’t no wins there b
^
So your saying the Redskins are better than Pittsburgh based on the first preseason game?
Cuz they dogged ya’ll. Bad.
SMH @ niggas making proclamations during the preseason.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:27 am
I dig all of what you typed there shelton.. but that little kizza casey matthews maybe be a productive lb one day, but I fear he is too small to man that spot, whilst trying to learn it on the fly.
The steelers, aside from that one play against asante picked on whomever nnamdi, drc and asante wasn’t covering and it worked. I worry about that.
Riley cooper doesn’t come back to the ball, not in training camp, not last year and apparently not this year. I fear Andy is going to be forced to lean on him early too. I think he likes dogs also.. bad sign for you know who.
That wide nine set creates a lot of crease for run lanes, you can get sacks, but you better have great tacklers behind the rush, do we..
August 20th, 2011 at 1:27 am
You don’t listen to very much Killer Mike do you??
Mike speaks with me ALL the time on twitter, and might be one of the most humble artists in the game- he knows what he is and the respect he shows his supporters is ridiculous.
JihaD
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I listened to all of Pl3dge
It was a low key great album
But it’s damn near a secret
You’re right I don’t know anything about his personal life tho, nor care to – he’s just a rapper to me
But my reaction, remains the same – when I listen to him he sounds like the industry and the world owe him something
Like he should be bigger than he is
A more constructive discussion tho – what do you think is holding him back ?
Why don’t more people know how great Pl3dge is ?
August 20th, 2011 at 1:29 am
Sometimes when I got people in the whip
I’ll play the current jams, the hot shit etc
Then I just throw on ” So Glorious ” by Killer Mike and people lose their shit
” Whooooaaa ! Who’s that ???? “
August 20th, 2011 at 1:30 am
” So Glorious ” is a deep song
I felt that niggas pain (n)
August 20th, 2011 at 1:30 am
I had forgot the steelers went to the superbowl last year, that shit craze’. Second place seems like last, sometimes.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:31 am
Why’s Meek Millz always got the ” escaped refugee ” face on ???
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Philly rappers ALWAYS looked homeless tho. No shots.
Beans.
Freeway. etc…..
Will Smith was the only “clean cut rapper”
August 20th, 2011 at 1:33 am
Why’s Meek Millz always got the ” escaped refugee ” face on ???
^
Its Meek Mill… no z, homie.
JihaD
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I blame eskay !
nahright.com/news/2011/07/23/meek-millz-ft-rick-ross-work-fullno-tags/
August 20th, 2011 at 1:34 am
911 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:27 am
I dig all of what you typed there shelton.. but that little kizza casey matthews maybe be a productive lb one day, but I fear he is too small to man that spot, whilst trying to learn it on the fly.
The steelers, aside from that one play against asante picked on whomever nnamdi, drc and asante wasn’t covering and it worked. I worry about that.
Riley cooper doesn’t come back to the ball, not in training camp, not last year and apparently not this year. I fear Andy is going to be forced to lean on him early too. I think he likes dogs also.. bad sign for you know who.
That wide nine set creates a lot of crease for run lanes, you can get sacks, but you better have great tacklers behind the rush, do we..
^
Word, and I agree with that entire assessment.
The only thing I can say is that everything that went wrong can be corrected, and it was only the 2nd preseason game, with a short camp, with a lot of moving parts.
I didn’t get too high when we went and scored on Bmore, and I didn’t get all wishy-washy when we laid an egg against Pitt.
I will say that we only ran vanilla packages on both sides of the ball- Pitt was running their regular offense and defense, most likely in response to the L they caught against the Redskins the week prior.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:34 am
I remember years back, here on this very site.. I use to be president of the killer mike club. pause. I have since resigned, check the archives. They in fact tell no lies, unless nation deleted a comment or two in which case, you’d only be privy to partials.
Dueces Wild >
God in the Building >
August 20th, 2011 at 1:36 am
Philly niggas is dusted x distgusted
Sorry #zips
I rep
But Philly nigggas is busted lookin
Sans Cassidy he was da flyest
Beans dusted
Free busted
Sp disgusted
Tony trump corner boy
Meek meh he still got far dirty Philly look he just still young lol
Ok I’m just hatin
Pitt>>>>€>Philly
August 20th, 2011 at 1:36 am
@911
Why’d you resign ?
Why’d you stop liking Killer Mike ?
August 20th, 2011 at 1:39 am
I’m gonna go scheme on this Cali Evening
* daps all *
Always enjoyable shooting the shit with you guys
Stay Fly.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:40 am
@CP
You need to listen to Pledge 1 and Pledge 2- Mike is one of the most honest rappers in the game.
And yea, in some ways the game DOES owe him something- he’s fucking TALENTED, but has been caught up in industry fuckery that didn’t derail his career- it just made him realize he could only rely on himself.
I can understand that.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:40 am
old stan passes..
killer mike, jada, lil wayne, styles p, cam, 2pac, jay eletronica, beanie sigel, Mos def, scarface and Nas. I’m still a voting member on the Nas board though, cOLD took over the presidency. LOL at all that.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:42 am
Big545 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:31 am
Why’s Meek Millz always got the ” escaped refugee ” face on ???
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Philly rappers ALWAYS looked homeless tho. No shots.
Beans.
Freeway. etc…..
Will Smith was the only “clean cut rapper”
^
Nigga, its rough out here, lol.
Niggas walking round shinin get found in back blocks.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:44 am
Killer Mike – Ric Flair>>>>>>>
August 20th, 2011 at 1:45 am
Why’d you resign ?
Why’d you stop liking Killer Mike ?
__________________________________
There’s something to be said about arguing on behalf of niggas that no one cares about, especially when you know they’re great. The human mind doesn’t like rejection on any level. Pysch 101. Why carry extra rejection, lol.
peace cp, jihad and tkf. y’all nahggas be easy.
August 20th, 2011 at 1:47 am
911 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:40 am
old stan passes..
killer mike, jada, lil wayne, styles p, cam, 2pac, jay eletronica, beanie sigel, Mos def, scarface and Nas. I’m still a voting member on the Nas board though, cOLD took over the presidency. LOL at all that.
^
subtract Dwayne, Tupac, Negectronica.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:51 am
911 Says:
August 20th, 2011 at 1:45 am
Why’d you resign ?
Why’d you stop liking Killer Mike ?
__________________________________
There’s something to be said about arguing on behalf of niggas that no one cares about, especially when you know they’re great. The human mind doesn’t like rejection on any level. Pysch 101. Why carry extra rejection, lol.
peace cp, jihad and tkf. y’all nahggas be easy.
^
This tho.
*daps 911*
Lifestyle Music >>
Go DL As Promised (click the name)
And see you niggas monday-ish.
JihaD
August 20th, 2011 at 1:57 am
FUCK THE OTHER SIDE
$WonDough$ >>>
He dont rap about shit that he dont live or has lived
Its his lifestyle
Not like these other heads
GET LACED
August 20th, 2011 at 7:25 am
What the fuck I really expect? This nigga cant even control his baby mother…this bitch holdin press confereces, goin to to the newspaper…i mean like god damn…she got more press out this shit than everybody…Me? I woulda grabbed my babymother by the neck, told her to sit her ass down, read a book and be glad that you fuckin know me!
Killa >>>>>
What I’ma do, I’ma double up!
August 20th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Arsenal looking lively, or sounding should I say.
Radio swag.
August 20th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Sigel sounded flabby and sick on that song with Game and Ross. Dope ass song though.
August 20th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Stupid foul by Frimpong.
August 20th, 2011 at 9:18 am
FUCK. Can we not go a game without a red card?
August 20th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Fuck.
August 20th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
August 20th, 2011 at 9:42 am
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKKKK!!!!
Wenger definitely has to spend now.
August 20th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Don’t underestimate crew.
August 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Samir = Nasri?
August 20th, 2011 at 10:30 am
They try to belittle you…they call you names…all to make themselves feel superior but I wondough if the people see all the bullshit they spewin…I wondough if they see all the holes in their stories
I wondough
August 20th, 2011 at 10:42 am
You gotta look
Beneath The Surface >>>>
August 20th, 2011 at 11:04 am
SPITGAME 11 hrs, 4 mins ago
Hey CP… compared to your boyfriend I may as well be…and the whole zips… and Kev… and b… and dubb… and Joaquin Phoenix
Hol up.hol up, .I give bsg his props,but that’s where it starts.dont let me get in my zone
August 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Freida Pinto >>>>>>>>
August 20th, 2011 at 11:20 am
G7
36 mins ago
Samir = Nasri?
^nah,
Samir = Blu
FACTS on FACTS on FACTS
August 20th, 2011 at 11:52 am
The Cool Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 3:56 am
Early prediction:
Arsenal 0 – 2 Liverpool
&what, Harlem and the rest of you gunners – your team is fucked. Arsene doesn’t know
^^
The Cool >>>
Liverpool >>>
August 23rd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
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