YN on Juan Epstein
So Ciph finally posted the last piece of the puzzle missing for this week’s Juan Epstein post, and it features a sit-down with a friend of the site, Elliott Wilson himself.
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May 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
what up my Edwards
May 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
yezzur
May 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6gqdz0
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Roscoe Umali mixtape
May 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
i like turtles.
May 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6gqdz0
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Roscoe Umali mixtape
**That nigga really needs to make up a new name…m’fukka sounds like a puerto rican hillbilly…
May 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5awlE2zDbk
Tracy is top 5, highly underrated
May 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
yo elliot i heard wendys is hiring
May 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
tinyurl.com/3noxxm
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best of Pac and the Outlawz mixtape
May 16th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Kanye > Kool G rap … there I said it.
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Wow. I’ll use my standard response for those who think Lil Wayne is one of the best to ever do it…
“After you latch on to lost masters
Come back to re-evaluate the now chapter” (c) Edan
May 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
D_Block_4_life Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
If Kanye could manage to stay hot and reinvent himself through out the next 10 years on the production end then he could give Dre a run for his money….or should i have just kept that thought to myself>?
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fuck are you talking about, yeezy already passed up dre
on the other hand dre might regain the top spot because i heard detox is finally coming out nevruary 19
May 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Casual Male XL > Skinny/Tight Jean Wearing Rappers
Big & Tall > Skinny/Tight Jean Wearing Rappers
Did Jim Jones start this tight fitting clothes trend in Hip-Hop/Rap?
May 16th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
nation is that you in the photo on the left just wondering
May 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
“you smell like garbage!”
May 16th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Latarian Milton Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
D_Block_4_life Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
If Kanye could manage to stay hot and reinvent himself through out the next 10 years on the production end then he could give Dre a run for his money….or should i have just kept that thought to myself>?
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fuck are you talking about, yeezy already passed up dre
^Slow down cowboy (c) bullshit ass server
May 16th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
fuck are you talking about, yeezy already passed up dre
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Fam i respectively disagree….what the fuck you talking about? on the PRODUCTION end? Dre is repsonsible for Snoops,50,Eminem and the Game and thats without mentioning his own albums and other random bangers….logic please???
May 16th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
^Slow down cowboy (c) bullshit ass server
^^^
thats what I was thinkin…sheesh chea…goin wild today.
May 16th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Annnnd not to mention he’s been in the game for 20 years and spawned 50 and Game in the last 5 years…
May 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
^Slow down cowboy (c) bullshit ass server
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lol
May 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Personally, I’d rather listen to Ye than Dre right now.
Graduation against 2001… it’s Graduation for me.
But Dre is a God in this… Ye has to put in 15 more years of delivering classics, producing classics for others and developing seminal artists (on the level of Cube, Snoop, Em and 50) before he can stand next to Dre. Dude has alongwaytogo (c) Guru and Preem.
Looking at that list of dudes Dre helped create, I doubt Ye will ever get to that level…
May 16th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
icon (trillbert arenas) Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
His lyrics are solid, good even, but he’s not a Top 5 emcee. Top 5 artist or Top 5 beatmaker maybe, but Top 5 emcee is a different thing…
***Co-sign..sometimes his delivery sounds forced, but it is what it is…I mean, he’s made some great albums, but there’s no way he goes toe to toe with Nas, Jay, Kool G, Rakim, Slick Rick, BDK, and the rest of the pack…Kanye’s a musical genius, but as an instrument (rapper, n/h), he doesn’t distinguish himself enough- witty punchlines are cool, but that’s taken down a notch when you listen to somebody like Consequence or Rhymefest, and hear the exact same type of punch lines, delivered more effectively…I know niggas hate on CONS, but for real, he belongs in the top 5 argument over ye, and Cons doesn’t even belong in the conversation, either…
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Cons’ sound like a whiny ass Kanye (nhjic)… he comes correct with some of his lyrics (better than kanye most times) but i cannot stand his voice and flow (same way i cannot stand Kanye’s flow lately… just too fucking lazy) talkless of listening to a whole CD of him lyrics aside… nothin about him stands out (except his teefs) in the current pool of current players.. i bet the marketing folks at his label are having a difficult time marketing him
May 16th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
…and flow /b(pause)/b (same way i cannot stand Kanye’s flow lately… just too fucking lazy) talkless
May 16th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
dogma, city of death, lyrics pouring out me like its part of my breath
I tip toe through land mines, im bout mines, streets designed to cram minds of mad crime.
May 16th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
yeah but yeezy spawned yeezy
also em started producing a lot of his own beats after a while. just because dre “discovered” him doesn’t mean dre’s nice
otherwise if that’s the logic then dame is the nicest producer ever for discovering yeezy
also let’s be clear: mel-man produced most of chronic 2001. not dre. and jigga and em ghostwrote the lyrics dre spat on that album
so i’m sorry what does dre do again?
oh and scott storch did the keys on still d.r.e.
lol
there was a time where every time i started thinking dre was nice, i realized he barely had a hand in making the song
dre is missy elliot-status
he hears a good beat and he makes a few maneuvers to get it to radio
yeezy has no ghost-producers or ghost-writers
yes toomp/primo/etc. have given him beats/scratches from time to time, but rarely – and when it’s done, yeezy is very obvious about giving credit
dre is severely overrated, that’s always been my view
May 16th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Kanye over Dre…are you dudes serious?…I know you don’t believe that. What planet are you from?
May 16th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
yeezy has no ghost-producers or ghost-writers
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some random dude produced “down and out” for kanye
and rhymefest wrote “jesus walks”
May 16th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
dre is severely overrated, that’s always been my view
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I never said Dre could rap i was strickly talkin about the production side and if u feel Kanye > Dre (production wise) then thats kool…
May 16th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
@ E – he gave extensive credit for both
the fact that it’s a story when someone has a hand in one of yeezy’s hits tells you something
with dre, it’s not even a story
instead, it’s “let me wait for the CD to drop so i can check the credits and see who really did this song”
oh and let’s not forget the ghost-producing that yeezy did, we’ll never know what type of ill shit he did for d-dot when he was d-dot’s ghost and d-dot was prolific back then
May 16th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
>>some random dude produced “down and out†for kanye
Toomp did Can’t Tell Me Nothin’
May 16th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Kanye over Dre…are you dudes serious?…I know you don’t believe that. What planet are you from?
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Production wise ???? Kanye needs 10 more years under belt and producing 6 joints off the Blueprint and the common albums dont compare to snoop,game,em and 50….IMO
May 16th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Wilson & The Lil’Nigga from E.T.?
May 16th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
yea … yea…
so its only right I own this mic, and spit this shit for all to like.
hand cuffed and blind folded and I still managed seek devine focus
how you niggas move sideways and the mind notice
May 16th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
dogma, city of death, lyrics pouring out me like its part of my breath
I tip toe through land mines, im bout mines, streets designed to cram minds of mad crime.
^^^(c) who?
May 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
You could keep your tree’s
i smoke weed by the pound
i only fuck with green and purple like Fed Ex ground
i stay in big trucks somethin like tonka
The weed is smoke is green with red hairs like Blanka (c) Streetfighter
May 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Dre, as the most successful producer Hip Hop has ever seen, gets a lot of hate… talk of Ghost-producers is bullshit. Who ghost-produced Fuck Tha Police? 100 Miles and Runnin’? Alwayz Into Somethin’? Deep Cover? Nobody did.
Dre’s legendary status attracts stone-throwers (no Peanut Butter Wolf). He didn’t just discover Snoop and Em, he made their beats and guided their careers (and fuck that, Dame did nothing with Kanye other than sign him… he wouldn’t even pay for a video. You think Dame went near an MPC? You think he said to KanYe “yo, wear tighter jeans” lol. FOH.)
May 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
^^^(c) who?
…thats ya boy cOLD spot. decent?
May 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
divine > devine
May 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
cOLD Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
^^^(c) who?
…thats ya boy cOLD spot. decent?
^^^nah it sucks
May 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Im lying…pretty dope
May 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Dre, as the most successful producer Hip Hop has ever seen, gets a lot of hate… talk of Ghost-producers is bullshit. Who ghost-produced Fuck Tha Police? 100 Miles and Runnin’? Alwayz Into Somethin’? Deep Cover? Nobody did.
Dre’s legendary status attracts stone-throwers (no Peanut Butter Wolf). He didn’t just discover Snoop and Em, he made their beats and guided their careers (and fuck that, Dame did nothing with Kanye other than sign him… he wouldn’t even pay for a video. You think Dame went near an MPC? You think he said to KanYe “yo, wear tighter jeans†lol. FOH.)
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Churchhhhhhh
May 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Kanye’s quality of quantity doesn’t stack up to Dr. Dre……..
Kanye is only able to produce a certain type of sound……Dre, broke artist and are able to mold beats to the artist……Dre’s album chronic is better than any albums of Kanye’s…..
G.funk sound> Chipmunk soul beats
Just blaze production> Kanye west production
Heatmakerz 1.5 year run> kanye west….
Kanye’s best material is on the the blueprint…..his rapping is better than his beats now….Not taking anything away from his beats but his production is not as good as when he first came into the game…..
May 16th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Yo esk that Cam link you posted yesterday was a Dj Self banks and yayo radio freestyle….
May 16th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Just blaze production> Kanye west production
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Just Blaze = Kanye west
I just cant decide, but foreal just is that nigga
May 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I thot it was a Nas quote. Aite, im out like _________
May 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
divine > devine
^in the rap world it dont matter see the rapper fab, and a hoes banter
english is chopped and screwed fuck this system
im rolling with some cali cush and wrist glistening
so while you correct to forget you neglect
the facets of rap, what accent is that?
May 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
LMAO… I just found Positive K’s “Nighshift” on cassette single in an old crate.
Only a few will know about that track…
May 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Heatmakerz 1.5 year run> kanye west….
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chillll…Now your pushing it…
May 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
>> nation is that you in the photo on the left just wondering
you smill like garbidge
May 16th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Dre > Kanye
There is said it (c) Cold
May 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
# D_Block_4_life Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Heatmakerz 1.5 year run> kanye west….
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chillll…Now your pushing it…
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Diplomatic Immunity had the best album full of beats in hip-hop history…..I would like someone to tell me a better collection of beats better than that album?
But Heatmakerz came in and dropped out so fast they are just a mere blip in History…..So I understand where you coming from
May 16th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Latarian Milton Says:
May 16th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
>>yeah but yeezy spawned yeezy
^Wrong. His whole style is the love-child of a No ID/Pete Rock/Rza menage. Whether direct tutelage or influence from hearin’ records, he took bits and pieces.
>>also em started producing a lot of his own beats after a while. just because dre “discovered†him doesn’t mean dre’s nice
^That’s the difference between a producer and a beatmaker. A producer has the ability to convey the message of an artist by emphasizing his strengths over production, hence make a complete album mesh as a story. Even though I’m a Piddy (c)DPS) hater, he has mastered that trait without ever pickin’ up an MPC. Just look at his body of work: Mary J, Biggie, Jodeci, Ma$e (first album arguable classic), Black Rob (first album flawless), American Gangster album, Carl Thomas, Faith, and the list goes on. What artist has Kanye broken? A beat maker does just that: make beats.
>>otherwise if that’s the logic then dame is the nicest producer ever for discovering yeezy
^Dame never claimed to be a producer. CEO. And he would be more of an A&R than anything.
>>also let’s be clear: mel-man produced most of chronic 2001. not dre. and jigga and em ghostwrote the lyrics dre spat on that album
^And I met the dude named Glove that did “Phone Tap”. Your point? Dre never claimed to be a producer-rapper. He only raps for the sport. You can take away 2001 and ‘Ye’s body of work still doesn’t compare to the body of work that Dre has accumlated thus far.
>>so i’m sorry what does dre do again?
^Dre = producer. Kanye = beatmaker
>>oh and scott storch did the keys on still d.r.e.
^See: previous paragraph
lol
>>there was a time where every time i started thinking dre was nice, i realized he barely had a hand in making the song
^Fair opinion. Kanye, still, hasn’t equally matched success.
>>dre is missy elliot-status
he hears a good beat and he makes a few maneuvers to get it to radio
^For one, it’s funny how people think people just take somethin’ to radio and it gets play. If that’s the case, Freeway’s Roc affilition would allow him a retarded amount of BDS stats. Number two, to downplay Missy’s accomplishments is asinine if you know anything about music. She may not be the greatest MC (similar to Dre) but writing is her strength and she has spawned more hits behind the scenes than on wax (also similar to Dre).
>>yeezy has no ghost-producers or ghost-writers
yes toomp/primo/etc. have given him beats/scratches from time to time, but rarely – and when it’s done, yeezy is very obvious about giving credit
^You just contradicted yourself with the last two statements. Of course it can’t be a ghost-producer if he gives the credit, because then it wouldn’t be a ghost-producer (duh). Regardless if he gives credit or not, the point is that he received help. Period.
>>dre is severely overrated, that’s always been my view
^Well maybe you need thicker glasses. Either way, you’re allowed to feel the way you do. But facts > emotions.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
uh yea yea un uh
so I step in and see 1 hundred mc’s
all zoning to tunes and looking at me.
so I grab the microphone start roping them free’s
gather them up, hand on my nuts
spitting with the passion of a fantasy fuck
off the top its nonesense, but nonesense plus swag equals dopeness
and with dopness you hopless, the camera circles
I see some mcs falling cause my hammer squirt you
its figurative my hammer is infact my lyrical wit
and visioning this, the crowds getting smaller
as im spitting the piff.
whoa…
son of ether where you at?
May 18th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
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