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Joell Ortiz - 50 Shots (Stream of Consciousness)

Shout out to Legend.

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46 Responses to “Joell Ortiz - 50 Shots (Stream of Consciousness)”

1. Jud Buechler Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am

   Joe 88,

   Man I told you that same shit about iverson bout a week ago, and you went to bat for him. I said that him and anthony plays the same way, and iverson is a team killer.

   Anthony has already proven himself in a system where he can win. Anthony was the best player in College as a freshman so there was no need for him to stay. He’s one of the best players in the NBA, he just lacks proffesionalism and maturity.

   Kobe’s eyes lights up when he sees JR. Smith guarding. That nigga goes extra hard when he guards him. That’s what Jr Smith gets for trash talking.
   That spin cross spin move to the left hand move kobe put on him was banannas. Kobe wants to demoralize trash talkers and kill them at will.

2. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am

   WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

3. moresickaMC Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am

   smh@ the state of hiphop

   Joell Ortiz is really dope & shoudlnt b overlooked

4. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am

   the nigga looks like a P.rican Shrek

5. icon (trillbert arenas) Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am

   SMH @ Joell Ortiz, Graph, and cats like that making Sean Bell tributes…nothing wrong with that, but while they’re doing something worthwhile, and using their limited noteriety as a platform for change, or at least to vent, the self proclaimed G.O.A.T. (and he DOES deserve to be in the argument- definitely top 5 of all time), and the most transcendant and influential cat in the game spends his time making diss records against a basketball player who he doesn’t even know…with great power comes great responsibility, lil’ humpedback homie (none)….To be fair, though, I haven’t heard anything from Nas yet, either…

6. moresickaMC Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am

   damn this freestyle is sick

7. icon (trillbert arenas) Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am

   BTW, I’m in no way saying that the ninja HAS to do anything but I do think that he would be a powerful voice in the conversation…maybe he really is like Jordan, in that respect….

8. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

   GET’EM, ICON.

9. moresickaMC Says:
   April 29th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

   icon (trillbert arenas) Says:

   April 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am
   SMH @ Joell Ortiz, Graph, and cats like that making Sean Bell tributes…nothing wrong with that, but while they’re doing something worthwhile, and using their limited noteriety as a platform for change, or at least to vent, the self proclaimed G.O.A.T. (and he DOES deserve to be in the argument- definitely top 5 of all time), and the most transcendant and influential cat in the game spends his time making diss records against a basketball player who he doesn’t even know…with great power comes great responsibility, lil’ humpedback homie (none)….To be fair, though, I haven’t heard anything from Nas yet, either…
   ^^
   Nas called into 106 & spoke on it

10. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    …what do u get when u put a Real Jersey nigga in Atlanta?
    …afew married bitches who pregnant by a gully jersey nigga.

    *88 daps Uncle88*

11. Soul Clapper Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    I’m thinking… all these rappers making tracks about this shit, but who are these tracks aimed at?

    All the dudes that will check for Joell’s take on things probably already heard three other records on this subject by border-line underground emcees. And the people checking for this are already pissed off, so what’s the point? Are these little tracks really going to make New Yorkers stand up and riot? Are some of the emcees in question guilty of thinking “shit, I better make a track and look like a conscious dude”. I hope not. Not Joell anyway.

    ?uestlove’s T-shirt had a bigger impact globally than this track will. At least it crossed boundaries of race and class and was seen (and hopefully digested for what it was) by a demographic that usually wouldn’t check for Hip Hop.

    That’s what’s needed if dudes aren’t going to riot and put this shit on CNN for the world to see. We might need a Jay-Z level artist dropping a track. A KanYe-level artist to get on TV and say “NYPD don’t care about Black people”, Barack to wild out in an interview… something that will make EVERYBODY sit up and pay attention, across cultures.

    Shit, talking to Wifey about the Sean Bell fuckery last night, she said “Sean who?”. Even though I’m in London, that’s some bullshit. She knows who the fuck Rodney King is. Why? Becuase shit got burnt on CNN.

12. Jud Buechler Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Joell ortiz should focus his energy on other things besides rap.

13. icon (trillbert arenas) Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
    GET’EM, ICON.

    ***LOL…I’m really not trying to go @ dude, but I’m saying…if he has time to cut a diss against a basketball player on the wrong side of a lopsided series a good three hours away from his home, that has nothing to do with him in any way, why can’t he devote the same energy to addressing shit in his own backyard? NY cats revere Jay…he needs to give up that “truth be told, if skills sold, I would prolly be lyrically talib kweli” gobbage, and step up, IMO…then again, that’s just my opinion….nobody’s asking him to suddenly become a freedom fighter, but I’m saying, can you rep your people, and your city, with the same conviction you put behind pushing Budweiser Select to the masses, at least for the 10 minutes it takes to record an off the top joint?

14. Joe 88 Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    @ Jud

    Yeah, your right about iverson, but it would work if he brought into the system, the year he went to the finals, he went with the larry brown system. Carmelo showed me his heart last night (n/h) by sticking kobe, no fear at all, but I can only imagine how he feels, he wants to win, but his teammate isnt on the same page as him, either iverson buy into a team system, or trade his ass, or bring him off the bench, iverson scores his best shots off screens, not holding the ball, tryna create a shot, he use to do it with philly, but he’s a lil older now, if the nuggets get a true point guard, they can make a big impact in the west. I don’t see why iverson don’t try to avg 8+ assist, him passing the ball more would only open him up for shots, the way the lakers rotate the ball, the nuggets can do that too, but since they don’t pass the ball, there inside men be looking surprise when iverson, or J.R passes them the ball in the lane, causing them to drop passes, or not finish because there not use to getting the ball that low in the paint. I fear Iverson will finally fit into a system when he’s not able to do the things he can to now, he’ll be a six man for the spurs in 2 years or so.

15. Joe 88 Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    @ Jud

    Yeah, your right about iverson, but it would work if he brought into the system, the year he went to the finals, he went with the larry brown system. Carmelo showed me his heart last night (n/h) by sticking kobe, no fear at all, but I can only imagine how he feels, he wants to win, but his teammate isnt on the same page as him, either iverson buy into a team system, or trade his ass, or bring him off the bench, iverson scores his best shots off screens, not holding the ball, tryna create a shot, he use to do it with philly, but he’s a lil older now, if the nuggets get a true point guard, they can make a big impact in the west. I don’t see why iverson don’t try to avg 8+ assist, him passing the ball more would only open him up for shots, the way the lakers rotate the ball, the nuggets can do that too, but since they don’t pass the ball, there inside men be looking surprise when iverson, or J.R passes them the ball in the lane, causing them to drop passes, or not finish because there not use to getting the ball that low in the paint. I fear Iverson will finally fit into a system when he’s not able to do the things he can to now, he’ll be a six man for the spurs in 2 years or so.

16. moresickaMC Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Jud Buechler Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    Joell ortiz should focus his energy on other things besides rap.
    ^^
    smh

17. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    moresickaMC Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    icon (trillbert arenas) Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am
    SMH @ Joell Ortiz, Graph, and cats like that making Sean Bell tributes…nothing wrong with that, but while they’re doing something worthwhile, and using their limited noteriety as a platform for change, or at least to vent, the self proclaimed G.O.A.T. (and he DOES deserve to be in the argument- definitely top 5 of all time), and the most transcendant and influential cat in the game spends his time making diss records against a basketball player who he doesn’t even know…with great power comes great responsibility, lil’ humpedback homie (none)….To be fair, though, I haven’t heard anything from Nas yet, either…
    ^^
    Nas called into 106 & spoke on it

    ^^^
    he sounded like a mumble’n idiot.

18. icon (trillbert arenas) Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Nas called into 106 & spoke on it

    ***106 and park? That would prolly be why I missed it…I’m sure he’ll address it (the verdict) on the album, though…while Jay talks about his stacks of money and property, why he’s better than us, and why we should drink Ace of Spades, lol..btw, no Jay hate, whatsoever, I’m a fan, and I’ve copped every album except KC….

19. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    icon (trillbert arenas) Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    Nas called into 106 & spoke on it

    ***106 and park? That would prolly be why I missed it…I’m sure he’ll address it (the verdict) on the album, though…while Jay talks about his stacks of money and property, why he’s better than us, and why we should drink Ace of Spades, lol..btw, no Jay hate, whatsoever, I’m a fan, and I’ve copped every album except KC….

    ^^^
    what u expect from a camel? they spit on everything…. nasty animals.

20. Soul Clapper Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Shit Ike… I’m a shark ninja, biting your comments.

    Put it down to “great minds” and all that.

21. Joe 88 Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    @ Icon

    Jay talked about hurricane katrina on KC & gave a million to help build the city back up, atleast he’ll trolly up a mil while drinking ace & playing connect 4, lol

    lol @ Joe johnson crossing over paul peirce, making paul fall, then banging the 3, lol

22. Joe 88 Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    I need that ransom mixtape, the joint with “no introduction” on it

    *Looks around*

    Just leave the link in this thread thanks.

    Shout out to billz for that max b mixtape

    *Buys billz a chicken box (n/h)*

23. Jud Buechler Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    # moresickaMC Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Jud Buechler Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    Joell ortiz should focus his energy on other things besides rap.
    ^^
    smh

    __________________________________________________________

    Well you are shaking your head from an artistic level, but I’m talking from a economical aspect. He should focus his energies on other things because in the future rap, won’t be there for him. He should save all his money and start a donut shop, or bakery place. It will fit him.

    Joell ortiz is an avg rapper at best. He has some skills but lacks in other areas. He style of rap cannot make it into today’s time, he’s just a New York underground rapper. He wont hit mainstream. Dr. Dre can’t save him and neither can puffy.

    He should just realize he will always be an underground type rapper, and he probably is happy with that.

24. CiCi The Intern Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    lol @ Joe johnson crossing over paul peirce, making paul fall, then banging the 3, lol

    ^^

    I thought it was Posey who kissed the hardwood. That ish was disgusting.

25. Ghost Writer Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    I lost a little respect for Jay going at a basketball player instead of Joe Budden…..that’s like fighting with a dude smaller than you and when the cats your size come around you chicken out……

    Jay is a bully…..scared to fight the big cats…..

26. Ghost Writer Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    I lost a little respect for Jay going at a basketball player instead of Joe Budden…..that’s like fighting with a dude smaller than you and when the cats your size come around you chicken out……

    Jay is a bully…..scared to fight the big cats…..

27. Soul Clapper Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    @ Jud - I disagree and agree with you at the same time.

    “Joell ortiz is an avg rapper at best” - I disagree. Dude is excellent.

    “He style of rap cannot make it into today’s time” - I agree. Shame ain’t it.

    “He wont hit mainstream” - I agree. And again, that’s sad.

    But there’s room for dudes like Joell. He’s keeping Hip Hop alive. Everybody doesn’t have to be a Hova or Snoop-level artist to be worthwhile. He’s contributing more to the art form and the culture than almost any Top 10 rapper out right now.

28. moresickaMC Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Jud Buechler Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    # moresickaMC Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Jud Buechler Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
    Joell ortiz should focus his energy on other things besides rap.
    ^^
    smh

    __________________________________________________________

    Well you are shaking your head from an artistic level, but I’m talking from a economical aspect. He should focus his energies on other things because in the future rap, won’t be there for him. He should save all his money and start a donut shop, or bakery place. It will fit him.

    Joell ortiz is an avg rapper at best. He has some skills but lacks in other areas. He style of rap cannot make it into today’s time, he’s just a New York underground rapper. He wont hit mainstream. Dr. Dre can’t save him and neither can puffy.

    He should just realize he will always be an underground type rapper, and he probably is happy with that.

    ^^
    smh

29. Wavy Shprocketts Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    sean bell is rolling around in his grave at all these cats trying to get signed off of his death

30. digital scales Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    everybody has an opinion…..

    niggas state their opinions like they facts..

    funny ass niggas

31. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Ghost Writer Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
    I lost a little respect for Jay going at a basketball player instead of Joe Budden…..that’s like fighting with a dude smaller than you and when the cats your size come around you chicken out……

    Jay is a bully…..scared to fight the big cats…..

    ^^^
    I agree… hov talk that shit, and im no Pac fan, but hov aint holla @ pac when that shit was jumpin off.

    …applaud niggas who giv R.I.P. shoutouts to niggas who had no love 4′em. …pussyassniggaz.

32. Jud Buechler Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    # Ghost Writer Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    I lost a little respect for Jay going at a basketball player instead of Joe Budden…..that’s like fighting with a dude smaller than you and when the cats your size come around you chicken out……

    Jay is a bully…..scared to fight the big cats…..

    __________________________________________________________

    Ya’ll cats don’t understand. Step back out of the nahrigh/internet rap world and look out side this vacuum/box.

    Joe Budden is Hardly known….who is he? He is relatively a nobody. He is somebody to you in some secret society rap circle but he is hardly known.

    Jay is above the rap beef. Rap beef does not generate interest. His audience is on a much broader scale. Deshawn stevenson is much more known than a Joe Budden. 99 percent of the people in this world does not know who joe budden is. A lot more people know deshawn stevenson and he is hardly known himself.

    Why should jay go after Joe Budden?….To please you little hip-hop fans?…Don’t you guys know you’re only like a half a percent of his income.

    Also it wasnt as much as a diss to deshawn as it was a defense/ protection of Lebron.

    This is business people…Lebron is on a whole nother level… Joe Budden is like a peasant in the grand scheme of things….Listen to yourselves, some of you are stuck in this little rap world that you don’t even know what goes on outside the circles.

    This is all business.

33. no more ty big's just call me Kenard Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    icon (trillbert arenas) Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am
    SMH @ Joell Ortiz, Graph, and cats like that making Sean Bell tributes…nothing wrong with that, but while they’re doing something worthwhile, and using their limited noteriety as a platform for change, or at least to vent, the self proclaimed G.O.A.T. (and he DOES deserve to be in the argument- definitely top 5 of all time), and the most transcendant and influential cat in the game spends his time making diss records against a basketball player who he doesn’t even know…with great power comes great responsibility, lil’ humpedback homie (none)….To be fair, though, I haven’t heard anything from Nas yet, either…

    icon (trillbert arenas) Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am
    BTW, I’m in no way saying that the ninja HAS to do anything but I do think that he would be a powerful voice in the conversation…maybe he really is like Jordan, in that respect….

    __________

    co-sign Jay is like mike/tiger in that aspect shits disgusting but Jay ain’t one of us anyone more, Jay is in the elite now he looks down on us just like the judges

34. Hatrick Swayze Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    LAKERS BITCH! *slaps Joee88 in head*

    youtube.com/watch?v=sah1iLzMfv4

    ^^THIS SHIT GOES SO HARD

    *leaves*

35. Mark Twain Fame Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    man that new Busta track is nice.

36. Hatrick Swayze Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    btw I dont like these Sean Bell tracks …….sheesh *rides dirty*

37. no more ty big's just call me Kenard Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Soul Clapper Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
    I’m thinking… all these rappers making tracks about this shit, but who are these tracks aimed at?

    All the dudes that will check for Joell’s take on things probably already heard three other records on this subject by border-line underground emcees. And the people checking for this are already pissed off, so what’s the point? Are these little tracks really going to make New Yorkers stand up and riot? Are some of the emcees in question guilty of thinking “shit, I better make a track and look like a conscious dude”. I hope not. Not Joell anyway.

    ?uestlove’s T-shirt had a bigger impact globally than this track will. At least it crossed boundaries of race and class and was seen (and hopefully digested for what it was) by a demographic that usually wouldn’t check for Hip Hop.

    That’s what’s needed if dudes aren’t going to riot and put this shit on CNN for the world to see. We might need a Jay-Z level artist dropping a track. A KanYe-level artist to get on TV and say “NYPD don’t care about Black people”, Barack to wild out in an interview… something that will make EVERYBODY sit up and pay attention, across cultures.

    ______

    I just listened to this and the grafh track ( grafhs > joell’s ) and IMO Grafh is looking to spark a revolution of some sort, especially if you pay attention to him saying it’s time to revolt, Grafh you can tell is just angry, venting and trying to be a voice, this Joell shit doesn’t seem to have that same feel to it at least IMO

38. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    no more ty big’s just call me Kenard Says:

    _________

    co-sign Jay is like mike/tiger in that aspect shits disgusting but Jay ain’t one of us anyone more, Jay is in the elite now he looks down on us just like the judges

    ^^^
    FUCK THAT NIGGA, HE CANT JUDGE SHIT… HE NEED TO JUDGE HIS WIFE, SHE WAS SUCKIN MOS DEF DICK NOT TOO LONG’AGO… AND THAT BITCH WEAVE AINT NEVER PROPER.
    …restHaven 4 hos ass nigga.

39. CS88_RICH_UNCLE_PENNYBAGS Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Hatrick Swayze Says:

    April 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
    btw I dont like these Sean Bell tracks …….sheesh *rides dirty*

    ^^^
    lol.

40. Jud Buechler Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    # Soul Clapper Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    @ Jud - I disagree and agree with you at the same time.

    “Joell ortiz is an avg rapper at best” - I disagree. Dude is excellent.

    “He style of rap cannot make it into today’s time” - I agree. Shame ain’t it.

    “He wont hit mainstream” - I agree. And again, that’s sad.

    But there’s room for dudes like Joell. He’s keeping Hip Hop alive. Everybody doesn’t have to be a Hova or Snoop-level artist to be worthwhile. He’s contributing more to the art form and the culture than almost any Top 10 rapper out right now.
    ________________________________________________________

    Ok I feel you on your points, but I have some questions to ask?

    You’re implying that he’s keeping hip-hop alive, but from deducing your statement it seems like you’re saying that hip-hop is dying?

    I didn’t know hip-hop is dying, I still see rap videos and and rappers on commercials. Rap is still prevalent and going pretty strong. You got cats like Lil wayne, Kanye, Game, Jeezy, and 50 still going strong.

    Are you saying that the type of hip-hop that you like is dying?

41. Hatrick Swayze Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    allhiphop.com/stories/alternatives/archive/2008/04/29/19750042.aspx

    ^^interesting little first hand read

42. Wavy Shprocketts Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    75 Bars > __________

43. no more ty big's just call me Kenard Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Wavy Shprocketts Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    sean bell is rolling around in his grave at all these cats trying to get signed off of his death

    ________

    I disagree he is rolling around in his grave that the cops got off scot free, and why do they have to be trying to get signed off this ? they can’t just be mad and talking about something of actual importance, I guess yall would rather here them rap about the size of erykah’s ass (c) jay electronica

    ” 50 gun shots thats 50 more reasons why we need revolution /
    50 more reasons why we need retribution /
    An eye for an eye till them pigs start frying /
    It’s never gonna change until they kids start dying /
    then they will start crying /
    it will all never end /
    I can’t believe they killed Sean Bell again/
    God Damn ” (c) grafh

    “

44. Mark Twain Fame Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    is greenie on here…casue your awesome.

45. Soul Clapper Says:
    April 29th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    @ Jud - Admittedly, I’m an old head so I’m looking at this from my experience.

    “Are you saying that the type of hip-hop that you like is dying?” - Kind of, yes.

    When ninjas won’t let an emcee like Joell live, the Hip Hop I like is dying in favour of what’s “hot”, saleable or what have you. I don’t want to labour the argument, I’ve taken up too many dudes valuable time writing shit about this, but rap is rap and Hip Hop is something else.

    Rap will never die, some dude someone will be rapping in 1000 years time, God willing. It’s just for me, the spirit of Hip Hop is being strangled by commercialism and that is breeding a lack of originality and a lack of longevity. When we value swag, dance-crazes and ringtone-sales over boom bap, ill metaphors and coherant albums, then cooning is winning and Hip Hop is losing.

    It ain’t about North and South, and it’s just an opinion. One that I air more than my drawers, some will say! Agree or disagree and K.I.M.

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