January 30th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
yo all in all fat joe may bea legend but he has been on a decline just like billz said since don cart
and i think that is what the people are truly saying
^ *dapz* Thatâ€™s ALL Iâ€™m sayinâ€™ fam, nah mean?! Damn, I knew I wasnâ€™t the only one with unclogged ears with a rational and functional brain. Hell, even Michael Jackson has put out some wack shit recently.
Is the East Coast doinâ€™ that bad? We tryinâ€™ to latch on and uphold wackness because of longevity?
â€¦ i overstand that position BK2LV â€¦ because I havent paid for a FatJoe lp since â€œLoyaltyâ€ â€¦ but for some to deny him his place in hiphop history doesnt make sense â€¦ shit, WuTang hasnt made a truly good lp since â€ The Wâ€ (and some hate that lp) â€¦ does that mean they are not legends ? â€¦ RunDMC has no recent work â€¦ are they not legends? â€¦ i overstand Joey has been on cruise control, but so is Hov â€¦ so is NaS â€¦ so is 50 â€¦ so is Pharoah Monch â€¦ the whole INDUSTRY has dumbed down â€¦ why target just FatJoe ? â€¦
â€¦ and i overstand saying that you prefer listening to Budden over Fatjoe â€¦ but to imply the Budden is half the career MC that Fat Joe is, is borderline insanity â€¦ that dopefiend HAS ONE FREAKIN lp â€¦ and IT bricked â€¦ one REAL lp, Budden fans â€¦ just one â€¦ fuck a MM2, MM3 or a 9MM â€¦ Budden is unfulfilled potential â€¦ a has been, before he even became one â€¦ câ€™mon Mayor, i know thats one of your faves, but Homie â€¦ surely, you cant be serious ? â€¦
LL Cool J is a Legend
Fat Joe is a Legend
Maino is the new Freddie Foxxx
Uncle Murda is the New 50 Cent sprinkled and drizzled with a little bit of Pac..
â€œYou want the 2pAc ShaKuR Props?
But Its like a Disease Now Because All We got is SMALL POX (PACS)â€œ – 40 Cal.
bottom line is not that we donâ€™t revere our forefathers
itâ€™s that our forefathers donâ€™t know how to act
KRS is not nice anymore lyrically
furthermore this ninger wants to go start a fucking religion, the temple of hip-hop
same with a lot of these dudes, they have no marketable skills so they keep rapping even if it detracts from their legacy
word life some of these dudes could have had such an impeccable reputation but they dragged themselves thru the mud
KRS is corny point black period
even though i stopped reading after u said KRS is not nice lyrically, allow me to retortâ€¦
first of all the man WAS IS and ALWAYS WILL BE one of the dopest freestylers (real off the dome, not previously written sh*t spit to a beat and passed off as freestyle) in the HISTORY of this game we call hip-hop.
2nd , you are aware that the marketing ad directors of Nike CHOSE him to be featured on the Better than Ever been 25 year anniversary dedication track, right? Sounds like he must still be relevant/ and or have some sembelance of marketable skills, for a corporation of that to select him (over say, Nelly.. who has been more profitable in terms of record sales as of late)
3rd I must concur starting some sort of offshoot religion from the Temple is by definition blasphemy, but I do overstand what I beleive he is trying to accomplish, somewhat similar to what the NOI and their very perverted interpretation of Islam in the 1940â€™s-60â€™s hoped to accomplish for the poeple, simply what they (in this case Kris) felt was culturally and socially responsible thing to do, in order to provide enlightenment and pride for the uniformed and uninspired masses.
4th I donâ€™t even know how to respond to your assertion that Kris has â€œtarnished his legacyâ€ or, â€œdragged his name thru the mud.â€ but to query you How so? I only see him continuing to add on to an already undeniable legacy as
câ€™mon Mayor, i know thats one of your faves, but Homie â€¦ surely, you cant be serious ? â€¦
^As a heart attack. What difference does it make how the music is delivered? I’m not a record exec or an A&R so why should I care that Buddens music comes in the form of a mixtape rather than an LP? For the sake of argument since none of us has any affiliation or get checks from the label, the most we can assume is that Buddens not releasing albums in timely fashion is because of label politics. Whatever good music Fat Joe had was left on a shelf at Loud Records when Pun passed. His body of work is tarnished due to corny pop singles, lack of lyricism, and absolutely NO album cohesion. I’m a fan of music, the actual product. We all know that mixtapes have surpassed albums by far in the last 6 years since 50 Cent changed the game before GRODT. You can go on Amazon and they go for around $20. Why? Classic material. So how can you dismiss Budden because he chose a route that would allow him to put out quality music that is better than any of Fat Boy’s (c) Shyheim) albums since 1998 (Don Carta’s release year)? You admitted yourself that you’re a closet Budden fan so I’m not even gonna attempt to rationalize your statement IF we’re basing it on quality. Yes… 50, Nas, Jay, and other vets have been on fumes lately. But right now, their fumes > Crack’s best.
Sabrina’s Baby Boy >>>>>>>>>>>> the fuckery after Don Carta
and I’m not denying that MJ is ONE of the nicest to ever lace up a pair of sneaks… I just think that if you give him and Earvin the same exact group of players to run with, (in his prime) Magic could get more wins out that smae group than MJ… some may say i’m off, but thats my take, and how I see it… I don’t deny MJ nuthin, but I was never a huge fan of his…
U sayin these two Legends (no hick from french lick) are corny is just plain ignorant, and causes you to lose credibility in my eyes (i could give a if you care what I think obviously, but I just to voice my opinion regardign your blatant disrespect and tomfoolery)
U know what land I think me and billz believe in his longevity but we taking more about now…..
Put it in bball terms cause that’s how I think I’m sure niggas was saying mike jordan was wack when he was on the wizards and he the GOAT….. So really what I’m saying is fat joe sucks RIGHT NOW he mave have been nice and a staple of ny hip hop but he aint now…
Smh at me commenting between bball runs at the gym
January 30th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
U know what land I think me and billz believe in his longevity but we taking more about nowâ€¦..
Put it in bball terms cause thatâ€™s how I think Iâ€™m sure niggas was saying mike jordan was wack when he was on the wizards and he the GOATâ€¦.. So really what Iâ€™m saying is fat joe sucks RIGHT NOW he mave have been nice and a staple of ny hip hop but he aint nowâ€¦
^That’s ALL I’m sayin’ chief rocka. Mofos wouldn’t even take a FREE Joey Snacks album these days but sayin’ I’m outta line. Tell that nigga to stop rappin’ then. Then he’ll stop being the butt of my jokes (of course not) as well as cease further embarrassment on himself.
… word DBillz … i AM a fan of Budden’s emceeing … but I was speaking of Legend Status … again, Im well aware Joey Crack hasnt lived up to his ’98-’02 era, of late … all i was saying is that the brother has earned Legend status (based on his career accomplishments) … to take away what good he has done, would be like saying Patrick Ewing wasnt never shit, because he finished his career as a fat Jerk Chicken eatin’ behemoth, with the Orlando Magic … i judge an artist on their ENTIRE BODY OF WORK … not just their highlights or missteps …
as I said above- I agree with you on that point.. That sh*t is absurd.. and Blasphemous.. But I just don’t get it when cats be callin KRS out, like he ain’t a forefather of Battle Rap, Gangsta Rap (do the knowledge), and consciousness on record…
LOL @ Mac
naah what I’m sayin is Magic was the def. of a floor general, and could take 4 scrubs-decent average players, and have them hoopin in no time. He is the epitome of a guy gettin his team easy looks and buckets (once again, IN HIS PRIME) no doubt Worthy and Cooper and Byron Scott and them plus the big Capn Kareem was no slouches, but if you had put MJ in his prime instead of Mag, I don’t think they would all them ‘ships. They wouldn’t even be Showtime…
I give a f*ck if yall think I’M reachin… I KNOW I’M RIGHT, yall just ain’t realize it yet.
In case any of you battyholes are ever thinkin of goin to a Dizzee Rascal concertâ€¦â€¦think again. $60 for a 1 hour performance 15 minutes of which the little tit played fuckin rock music and made random noises over the top of it. Fuckin joke. It was basically a white crowd but thereâ€™s no excuse, 15 minutes of rock music at a fuckin hip-hop concert. Iâ€™m pissed.
January 30th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
â€¦ word DBillz â€¦ i AM a fan of Buddenâ€™s emceeing â€¦ but I was speaking of Legend Status â€¦ again, Im well aware Joey Crack hasnt lived up to his â€˜98-â€™02 era, of late â€¦ all i was saying is that the brother has earned Legend status (based on his career accomplishments) â€¦ to take away what good he has done, would be like saying Patrick Ewing wasnt never shit, because he finished his career as a fat Jerk Chicken eatinâ€™ behemoth, with the Orlando Magic â€¦ i judge an artist on their ENTIRE BODY OF WORK â€¦ not just their highlights or missteps â€¦
^Ok… so now we’re gettin’ somewhere. Entire of body of work, huh? Soooo…. what from YOUR perspectative are you sayin’ are good albums after Don Carta? Not “ok” albums… not so-so… but certified bangers.
TSS PRESENTS SMOKING SESSIONS WITH JOE BUDDEN
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oe Budden: Hello?
TSS: Yo wassup Joe.
JB: Andrew how you feelinâ€™?
TSS: Iâ€™m feeling good. Definitely been looking forward to speaking to you.
JB: Oh okay. Thatâ€™s whatâ€™s up.
TSS: One of the first freestyles I heard of yours was the one you did over the old NBA theme and Iâ€™m a real basketball fanatic. Iâ€™m into knowing, beyond the stars, all the players on all levels. I remember you mentioned Dirk in Dallas before he was a big name. When I talked to Cormega, he made a powerful comparison between himself and Rod Strickland, in terms of his career path. Who would you compare yourself to?
JB: Brandon Roy. Brandon Roy as of right now.
TSS: Brandon Roy? Whyâ€™s that?
JB: Because only up until now have people been starting to take notice to his game, but heâ€™s been nice for a million years and continues to be. This is only his second year in the league but heâ€™s not respected as one of the guys you hear about on a given night.
TSS: Why do you think that someone like you or Brandon Roy doesnâ€™t get his due – or at least not immediately.
JB: Um, different strokes for different folks. Some people have to overcome obstacles that others donâ€™t. Everybody is not given the same exact hand to play. Everybodyâ€™s situation is different. I got put in an unfortunate situation earlyâ€¦as far as the people signing me leaving my record label. There have been a couple bumps in the road, but [it] just takes a little longer to get over the hurdles.
TSS: Back to the sports analogy, on one of your recent releases -and even on the â€œPump It Upâ€ freestyles you did back and forth with Jay – you compared him to Jordan, but it wasnâ€™t a favorable comparison. Why did you bring up that Jordan metaphor?
JB: I thought it was a favorable comparisonâ€¦
TSS: But you said heâ€™s â€œgetting fatigued early and his scoring is lacking.â€
JB: The point of the metaphor – the comparison was that even somebody huge can fall off. Such is life. A basketball player is always going to pick up a basketball but over time itâ€™s gonna not be the same. I donâ€™t think [people] should be comparing themselves to Mike. I just wanted to flip the comparison in another way.
TSS: Do you think Jay-Z is in a decline?
JB: Definitely. I think there was a period of time where he put out some verses that were not comparable to the Jay that we all know and love.
TSS: What of your throat problem? Did you have polyps in your throat at one point?
JB: I had polyps yea.
TSS: And how did you get past that? Did you have to get them removed? What was the medical process?
JB: I didnâ€™t do surgery or anything of the sort. Basically, over a period of time, through different eating habits, different drinking habitsâ€¦just different habits in general, they werenâ€™t a problem anymore.
TSS: Did you have to detox for a while?
JB: A little bit.
TSS: What did you give up?
JB: Not in the normal sense of what comes to mind when you think of the wordâ€¦[not] drugs or anything. Anything with acidâ€¦that had to stop. Late eating had to stop. When your voice is fucked up and your voice is your money-maker, guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
TSS: Did the people around you – your supporters and hangers-on – did they change their tune when that was happening?
JB: No. No, everybody at the time was pretty supportive during the â€œPump it Upâ€ days. Most people were supportive. The label was good at doing whatever they could do. They sent me to the best vocalâ€¦the best voice doctor in the tri-state area. Everybody was great.
TSS: So the label was supportive at that time and now they havenâ€™t been. Is that because of new staff or did you decide to go more independent with your releases?
JB: That was a little bit of both. Part of it was the new staff. Once I saw the direction that the label was going. as far as how they treated hip-hop releases, I had to go more independent.
TSS: Did you ever discuss that mismanagement with the others on the label who felt similar? I know recently Beans and Freeway made some comments, Redman (at one time) made some comments, LL made some comments. Did you ever commiserate with any of those guys â€” backroom, behind closed doors – to say â€œweâ€™re getting the raw end of the deal hereâ€?
JB: No, not at all. Not with any artists.
TSS: Is there that sense of camaraderie at a label or is that pretty much gone?
JB: Nah, it normally isâ€¦normally.
JB: When I first signed my deal it was there, um, even later on it was thereâ€¦recently. I just wasnâ€™t a part of it at all.
TSS: Who would you say that, in terms of your artistic work, you have camaraderie with?
JB: Nobody. There are plenty of artists that I get along withâ€¦that I respect, that I record music with. Thereâ€™s a bunch of artists that I admire but that kind of camaraderieâ€¦nobody.
TSS: How do you feel about the A-Team amid the stories and obstacles youâ€™ve faced?
JB: I donâ€™t feel. I donâ€™t really think about that situation too muchâ€¦to the point where I get in it. I think itâ€™s unfortunate that they broke up, however, just for today, thatâ€™s where I am. Iâ€™m on today. Iâ€™m focusing on Joe Budden. I gotta get Joe Buddenâ€™s life and career going in the direction it needs to be. Thatâ€™s where I stand.
TSS: Right. With the Mood Muzik series, I think that â€œcritically,â€ people recognized that as your coming of age as emcee. You talked about topics that you hadnâ€™t touched at least so publicly before. It represented a pivot in your standpoint, how you were approaching songs. What birthed that kind of emotional response?
JB: Honestly, probably that type of music being shunned by the industryâ€¦from my side of the industry anyway. People told me that they were only concerned with the singles and they didnâ€™t give a fuck about what else was on your album. Thatâ€™s not the generation I come from. I come from the one where you buy an album, put the tape in, read the credits and you listen to the whole thing – straight front to back. Whether it be Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth, Eric B. and Rakim, L.Lâ€¦and the singles were, the majority of the time, the best album cuts. So I just came from a different place. Thatâ€™s where the mood music came from. Thatâ€™s probably what sparked it.
TSS: Do you think itâ€™s harder for fans of a label like Def Jam to get with music like that?
JB: No. I donâ€™t think it matters the label that youâ€™re a fan of, or the artist that youâ€™re a fan of. I think fans go with the artist thatâ€™s being presented. And I donâ€™t think fans right now are given a choice. They get one thing and one thing only. Itâ€™s been that way for so long that the mere mention of anything different makes people criticize.
TSS: Has your attempt to reshape that context been met with success? Are you surprised by the response to these deeply personal songs?
JB: Iâ€™m not surprised by it. Iâ€™ve gotten a good response from those records since I put out a record called â€œWhen Thugs Cryâ€ many years ago. Iâ€™m not trying to change entire world or the way people look at rap but I do want a Joe Budden fan to know what to expect when they pick up a Joe Budden mixtape or a Joe Budden album.
TSS: What do you think are the concrete reasons the record industry is failing?
JB: Definitely. I would say everybodyâ€™s to blame: the artists, the execs, the labels, the DJs, the radio stations, program directors, the video stationsâ€¦everybodyâ€™s to blame.
TSS: What do you think causes the mentality of failure to keep circulating even though (it seems like) new music is always coming out?
JB: Thatâ€™s actually a tough one. Iâ€™m not sure. If I knew, I would try to fix it. Iâ€™m not sure. I think it has to do with how [people] perceive certain music when it comes out. It has a lot to do with everybody I just mentionedâ€¦the labels, DJs, program directors and so forth. In this game fans are so fickle â€” not even â€” people are so fickleâ€¦itâ€™s almost like a crowd effect. If one person starts running, [itâ€™s] guaranteed twenty more people will start running, without even knowing what the fuck theyâ€™re running from. Itâ€™s up to me to reel in some of these fickle people with a single.
TSS: Is that already prepared? The single that you might give to the radio?
JB: Yeah, I got a few different things. Theyâ€™re finished. Every single day I work. If I only put out one song a year, it still wouldnâ€™t showcase how much work was being done. I got some ideas.
TSS: Do you still tour right now or are you mostly recording?
JB: I try to mainly focus on recording but Iâ€™m out of the country a lotâ€¦overseas. Thatâ€™s actually where I do the majority of my shows.
TSS: Where have you been recently and what was the response like?
JB: I just got back from Manchester this past weekend and the response was great. Thatâ€™s what I was saying. Itâ€™s pretty amazing that I havenâ€™t released a commercial album in so long but I still get an amazing response when Iâ€™m on stage, or when Iâ€™m in the streets, or when I go to a club and the promoter might not even know that Iâ€™m there, or the DJ might not even know that Iâ€™m there but my [song] still comes on. Itâ€™s pretty amazing. It says to me that I made somewhat of a timeless record, you know? And Iâ€™m proud of that.
TSS: Do you think that white hip-hop artists have more freedom to do vulnerable, introspective songs than black hip-hop artists do?
JB: No, I donâ€™t think so. But I think that their vulnerable music will probably be heard by a different audience who accepts them a little more than the black hip-hop audience. White people fuck with rock and roll. Rock and roll is a genre of music that is based on nothing but emotion. In hip-hop, if you showcase any kind of vulnerability, any type of emotion, youâ€™re a â€œsucker.â€ Itâ€™s a fine line. Eminem didnâ€™t come out with â€œCleaninâ€™ Out My Closet,â€ he came out with â€œIâ€™m Slim Shady.â€ He came out with some other records before he was able to hit people with â€œEminem.â€ He didnâ€™t create that formula. He didnâ€™t invent it. Anybody could do that same exact thing. Itâ€™s about the people who will hear the music. On the â€œPump It Upâ€ album, that was the first single then I put â€œFocusâ€ out, I put â€œFireâ€ out. Anybody who bought my album got to hear the â€œ10 Minutesâ€ and the â€œCalm Down[s]â€â€¦you know, â€œWalk With Meâ€ was on there. I donâ€™t think itâ€™s much different.
TSS: Have you found yourself bridging that gap between the fickle fans and the ones who might want something a little bit more?
JB: I havenâ€™t as of late. For the last three years, I havenâ€™t made any music catering to the fickle fan. I havenâ€™t made any uptempo music. I havenâ€™t made any club music. I havenâ€™t made any girl records. I havenâ€™t made any radio records. Well, I have made them but I havenâ€™t released any. At the time, I wasnâ€™t giving two fucks about that. Joe Budden was Joe Budden only. Anybody who liked it, liked it. Anybody who didnâ€™t, just didnâ€™t. Thereâ€™s a lot that goes into these mainstream records and actually having them be successful. Thereâ€™s a lot of stuff going on there. I didnâ€™t have an album at the time and wasnâ€™t in a position to release those records. Now I am.
TSS: Is there an album on the horizon or are you continuing with the Mood Muzik series?
JB: Both. Iâ€™m going to continue with the Mood Muzik series and thereâ€™s definitely an album on the way.
TSS: What other forms of art have you been using as groundwork for your music?
JB: I get a lot of inspiration from movies and television. There are certain writers that I follow from different shows. Not too much from hip-hop has given me inspiration.
TSS: What writers do you follow?
JB:Oh, Iâ€™m not telling.
JB: [Laughs] I canâ€™t tell. These biting-ass niggas might start jacking.
TSS: Do you find that to be the case: any idea you put out there, somebody will claim it?
TSS: You said you donâ€™t look to hip-hop for inspiration. Is anything marginally interesting? Does it bore you?
JB: Itâ€™s boring. With the exception of Kanye West, Lil Wayneâ€¦thereâ€™s a few people that manage to not bore me when I hear them but aside from those two and the typical greats like Eminem, Jay, Nasâ€¦it doesnâ€™t do anything for me.
TSS: What do you think the next elite class of legendary rappers will sound like?
JB: Hmmâ€¦I could be the asshole and say theyâ€™ll sound like me.
JB: Honestly, time will have to tell that one. Time would have to call it. I couldnâ€™t spot it right now. I donâ€™t see any traits or characteristics from anybodyâ€¦shit, maybe theyâ€™ll sound like Lupe. I canâ€™t call it. Heâ€™s the only person that I see right now, from the new artist standpoint, that just does so many different things flow-wise. But then again, he said heâ€™s going to retire after the next album so who knows?
Joe Budden will be releasing the official retail version of Mood Muzik 3 on February, 26th 2008 on Amalgam Digital. An advanced variation of the album, Mood Muzik 3.5, is available exclusively right now at the http://www.AmalgamDigital.com online store with two bonus tracks.
ef Jam thought they wanted a talented artist like Joe Budden to stay loyally in the fold, but wouldnâ€™t give him the support he needs to remain relevant in the mainstream. Although top-billing acts like Nas, Redman and LL Cool J might deserve their due for past accomplishments, none of them hold the same promise as Joe Budden. Nevertheless, his career failed to launch after the success of breakaway hit â€œPump It Up.â€ His torment seems to have fueled his Mood Muzik trilogy – a catalog of downtrodden songs describing the suspension act of a rapper on a foundering label. Besides dealing with unusual, career-threatening health concerns, Joey also had to wait in the proverbial wing while the snap-crunk-Dream movement unalterably defined the genre for young fans.
One senses his discomfiture not only in the telling lyrics bounding from Mood Muzik, but also in the raspy drawl of his responses. For someone so overwhelmingly analytical, he finds little hope in the shift rap has taken from flattened gangsterism to noir everyman verbosity. Lil Wayneâ€™s free-form metaphors and Kanyeâ€™s picayune observations about dropout insecurities are the way of the day, a welcome mat for Joe Buddenâ€™s negative rants about the solitude of near stardom. Then again, his name has existed in the cloud of internet renown. Give or take some trials, that forum has certainly aided his cause as he enlists ground-level tactics to draw similarly cerebral folks into his reach. Inflated expectations have been his hurdle as well as the core of his haunting moody refrains. Heâ€™s taken matters into his own hands, securing a deal to release his next album on Amalgam Digital.
On the cusp of the NBA All-Star game, with starters having been announced, the other side of the discussion will include the great players not invited to play. Joe Budden has been noted as the excluded star so many times in his career that heâ€™s come to terms with not meeting the measure of vacillating public perception, likening himself to one of basketballâ€™s underrated athletes.
January 30th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
â€¦ wow HipHop fans are mad fickle â€¦ tough crowd â€¦
â€¦ i aint never posting my shits here â€¦ EVER â€¦
^What does that have to do with the cost of goats in Ghana? If you think you nice, put it out there. Shit, I think I can freestyle off the top better than anyone on here… vet, lurker, or otherwise. I just refuse to prop a ninja and start talkin’ about his past while he’s fuckin’ up in the present. Garbage music is not acceptable.
… but again Mayor … its more than just LP’s … smh … FatJoe is a HipHop Icon … period … he is recognizable ON SIGHT all over the world … he gets movies, acting appearances, ringtone deals since 199- … i agree that since LOYALTY (which came AFTER Don Cart) he hasnt had a great lp … but since 1993, he has been able to market himself successfully all over the world … FOR 15 years … regardless of ghostwriters or any other external assistance, who else can boast of that type of longevity, in a realm of 1 and 2 hit wonders …
… we’re at the point where we’re almost agreeing but still debating … lmao …
January 30th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Landlord if you muslim how come you aint got a beardâ€¦I thought in the Muslim/Islam religionâ€¦the man who doesnâ€™t rock a beard is considered a homosexualâ€¦and they get killed in Iranâ€¦
… you thought wrong … i am not Iranian … and nowhere in The Glorious Holy Qur’an, does it MANDATE that a man wear a beard… the Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) suggested that Muslims grow their beards to distinguish themselves from the infidels, but it is not mandated by Islamic Law (Sharia) … it is moreso a timeless cultural practice …
to imply the Budden is half the career MC that Fat Joe is, is borderline insanity â€¦ that dopefiend HAS ONE FREAKIN lp â€¦ and IT bricked â€¦ one REAL lp, Budden fans â€¦ just one â€¦ fuck a MM2, MM3 or a 9MM â€¦ Budden is unfulfilled potential â€¦
January 30th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
i judge an artist on their ENTIRE BODY OF WORK â€¦ not just their highlights or missteps â€¦
so being positive is being corny now? teaching youts about positivity and knowledge of self is corny now? what, because he doesn’t have lyrics about “toting a strap” or “making it rain on hoes, that’s corny?
if the general consensus is that “KRS is corny” then hip hop lost.
to me, the majority of hip hop artists right now are corny as fuck, recycling the same gangsta cliches every goddamn time…now THAT’S corny.
January 30th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
â€¦ but again Mayor â€¦ its more than just LPâ€™s â€¦ smh â€¦ FatJoe is a HipHop Icon â€¦ period â€¦ he is recognizable ON SIGHT all over the world â€¦ he gets movies, acting appearances, ringtone deals since 199- â€¦ i agree that since LOYALTY (which came AFTER Don Cart) he hasnt had a great lp â€¦ but since 1993, he has been able to market himself successfully all over the world â€¦ FOR 15 years â€¦ regardless of ghostwriters or any other external assistance, who else can boast of that type of longevity, in a realm of 1 and 2 hit wonders â€¦
â€¦ weâ€™re at the point where weâ€™re almost agreeing but still debating â€¦ lmao â€¦
^I think the last sentence might be the most profound and relevant of all because now you’re talkin’ about stuff outside of music. When mentioning the embodiment of what it is to be a legend MUSICALLY, then Fat Joe is NOT a legend. He has released 8 albums (10 if you include the group albums) and only 3 of his solo shits can even be held next to who we call legends in the game MUSICALLY:
JayZ… Nas… LL… Ghostface… Redman… AZ…
Just to name a few. Many people learn to stay consistently good without the other oulets of media attention and marketing schemes. For that reason, I will NOT make an exception for Fat Joseph.