Fat Joe on Pun’s “Little Italy” Line

 

Complex recently cornered Fat Joe and had him break down the background and significance of his 25 Most Essential Songs.

In the excerpt below he speaks on Pun’s famous “Little Italy” line on “Twinz (Deep Cover ’98)” and how he had to convince him to include it in the song.

“I ain’t bug out when he first said the ‘Dead in the middle of Little Italy…’ rhyme. That wasn’t even a rhyme. He used to play around and say [that tongue twister], just like he used to walk around going, ‘Packin’ the Mac in the back of the Ac, packin’ the Mac in the back of the Ac.’ These were like jokes to him.

“I had to argue with him to put ‘Dead in the middle of Little Italy…’ in the song. I was like, ‘That’s the hardest shit on earth.’ He was like, ‘Are you crazy? That’s a fuckin’ joke. Niggas will laugh at me. Are you serious?’ Then he did it, and it was the illest shit.

That makes sense though because that’s gotta be one of the most overrated lines ever in rap. Don’t get me wrong, it’s an ill line and it sounds dope in flow of that song and all that, but the endless quotation of that line and the reverence it gets nowadays borders on the absurd. If you did the math, you’d probably find that Pun had 1000 lines hotter than that one, but that’s the one that always gets quoted because people like saying it on some 3rd grade tounge twister shit.

Check out the full feature over at Complex.

Previously: Diamond D Breaks Down His Catalog


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96 Responses to “Fat Joe on Pun’s “Little Italy” Line”

  1. Jackson7 Says:

    nah .. i aint race baiting..

    i just have legitimate concerns about the white mans’ authenticity as a human species…

    but im not trying to offend or bait anyone…

    just stating facts

  2. AmpGeez a.k.a. Amphernee Hardaway Says:

    Legend status.

  3. NovemberEnd Says:

    What did Dr.Dre think of Twinz ’98?

  4. Jackson7 Says:

    P.W. Says:

    December 7th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    Beastie Boys are ill.
    Alot of great rappers were influenced by these dudes.

    ————

    OK..

    ill play along..

    name one or two

  5. harlem world Says:

    harlemworld.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/is-fat-joe-a-hip-hop-legend/

    the debate must be settled…

  6. sealsaa Says:

    If you did the math, you’d probably find that Pun had 1000 lines hotter than that one, but that’s the one that always gets quoted because people like saying it on some 3rd grade tounge twister shit.
    ===================================

    ^That, and the beat break during the line.

  7. E aka Mac with the Cheese Says:

    That makes sense though because that’s gotta be one of the most overrated lines ever in rap.
    ^
    smh

    *heads over to rapradar*

    *clicks on ads*

  8. AmpGeez a.k.a. Amphernee Hardaway Says:

    I thought Ashmi retired?

  9. Troubleshooter1900 Says:

    i just have legitimate concerns about the white mans’ authenticity as a human species…

    but im not trying to offend or bait anyone…

    ^Jared Diamond won the Pulitzer for essentially writing a book calling his own race (whites) the devils of humanity.

  10. Jackson7 Says:

    That makes sense though because that’s gotta be one of the most overrated lines ever in rap. Don’t get me wrong, it’s an ill line and it sounds dope in flow of that song and all that, but the endless quotation of that line and the reverence it gets nowadays borders on the absurd. If you did the math, you’d probably find that Pun had 1000 lines hotter than that one, but that’s the one that always gets quoted because people like saying it on some 3rd grade tounge twister shit.

    ————

    FACTS ON FACTS ON FACTS

    i actually thought Joe’s verses sounded iller

  11. harlem world Says:

    peoples champ > champ is here

    paul walls verse on drive slow >>>

    classic

  12. Jackson7 Says:

    ^Jared Diamond won the Pulitzer for essentially writing a book calling his own race (whites) the devils of humanity.

    ————–

    they know they know they know

  13. NovemberEnd Says:

    There probably are better Pun lines, I don’t know theirs bunch tho.

  14. Troubleshooter1900 Says:

    White never lost their hunter gather steez though.

    It shows barbarically to this day.

  15. 911 Says:

    ^
    No shots, but you really had “Brass Monkey” on repeat like that?
    ___________________
    Lol

  16. AmpGeez a.k.a. Amphernee Hardaway Says:

    i actually thought Joe’s verses sounded iller
    ^^

    Nah.

    That Amittyville line is iller then anything Joe spits on the track.

    All respect due to the legend, of course.

  17. Jackson7 Says:

    paul walls verse on drive slow >>>

    classic

    ——

    smh.. wow

    my copy must have a different Paul Wall verse on it

  18. LeRoy Green Says:

    BITCHES AINT SHIT

    ^^^^^

    that one.

  19. harlem world Says:

    sometimes i think pun is top 5, sometimes i dont

    he did so much in so little time – capital punishment = classic..not up for debate

    but on yeahh baby, he sounds real unhealthy…gasping for air, slightly offbeat

  20. sealsaa Says:

    That Amityville line though>>>>>>

  21. NovemberEnd Says:

    I shatter dreams like Jordan, assault and batter your team
    Your squadron will be barred from rap
    like Adam & Eve from the garden

  22. Jackson7 Says:

    but that’s the one that always gets quoted because people like saying it on some 3rd grade tounge twister shit.

    —————-

    truest shit ashmi ever wrote…

    almost makes up for that contrived Beastie boys love

  23. Remixznflow Says:

    whats good?

  24. 911 Says:

    i just have legitimate concerns about the white mans’ authenticity as a human species…
    _______________
    This nigga funny, lol.

  25. NovemberEnd Says:

    Did Canibus write Clef verse for “Caribbean Connection” Pun got bodied something serious on that song.

  26. harlem world Says:

    Jackson7 Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    paul walls verse on drive slow >>>

    classic

    ——

    smh.. wow

    my copy must have a different Paul Wall verse on it

    =======================
    he’s just nice with it

    its hard to explain

    the man just performs so well on a beat

  27. Jackson7 Says:

    LMAO @ Pun’s Dashiki slash Shower Curtain

    >>>>>> Puerto Ricans’ colorful clothing

  28. Remixznflow Says:

    T.I.P. had the best verse on drive slow… stop it…

  29. tHe KiD fRanKiE Says:

    Paul wall gem per bar ratio is only touched by other competitors the likes of curren$y, and Bryan Williams

    May sound like a joke, but you prolly ain’t listening right

    Paul wall platinum artist 2 classics under belt
    Beatrice king of the one verse killers
    And he got hits on hits

  30. Jackson7 Says:

    whaddup Jamie nohomo

  31. BKScribe Says:

    Excuse me for being blunt but i been eatin cunt since pimps was pushin pink caddys with the fish tank pumps. – pun

    that line resonated with me as a youth

  32. AmpGeez a.k.a. Amphernee Hardaway Says:

    That Complex/Fat Joe piece>>>

    I was just getting my Fat Joe discog in order, listening to all his albums.

    He’ll never be top 5 or even top 10 for that matter, but dude has no reason to hang his head as he remains one of the most consistent artists of his generation, still.

    Joe’s a boss. You won’t see him signing to Young Money.

  33. Remixznflow Says:

    Jackson7 Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    whaddup Jamie nohomo

    ^
    thats fucked up…

    and nobody callin you rashidie are they? ok den…

  34. Fyodor Drostoevsky Says:

    Goat Kizza = Wallace Fard

  35. Jackson7 Says:

    Remixznflow Says:

    December 7th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    T.I.P. had the best verse on drive slow… stop it…

    ———-

    he killt that niggas in paris remix too..

    lemme find out that bamma been practicing

  36. Jackson7 Says:

    Fyodor Drostoevsky Says:

    December 7th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    Goat Kizza = Wallace Fard

    —————

    LMAO

    they not ready yet, Fyodor

  37. E aka Mac with the Cheese Says:

    >>>>>> Puerto Ricans’ colorful clothing
    ^
    roffs

    the colorful clothing and groomed eyebrows make me laugh

  38. harlem world Says:

    fat joe around 2000 – 2002 >>>>

    he fell off after that though

    j.o.s.e is his best album imo

  39. Bones Jackson Says:

    I’ve only heard one Pun song…

    and I’m fine with this

  40. Remixznflow Says:

    i aint heard ‘jamie’ since kindergarten… smh…

  41. Jackson7 Says:

    LMAO @ the NOI for that, too..

    calling all white man “devils”, and the originator of their whole doctrine was a mysterious wandering nomad kizza…

    gotta love niggas tho

  42. Remixznflow Says:

    Bones Jackson Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    I’ve only heard one Pun song…

    and I’m fine with this

    ^
    you shouldnt be…

    dude could rap for real…

  43. Remixznflow Says:

    very few niggas ever could rap like pun…

    try and rap one of his verses… how a dude that fat rap like that?

  44. b Says:

    Excuse me for being blunt but i been eatin cunt since pimps was pushin pink caddys with the fish tank pumps. – pun

    pun wordplay>>>>>

    I aint embarrased but i aint ready for no baby carriage
    especially if the ladies average and I AINT ESTABLISHED

  45. Jackson7 Says:

    Remixznflow Says:

    December 7th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    i aint heard ‘jamie’ since kindergarten… smh…

    ———————-

    and it wasnt ether or shots then, was it?…

    chill..

    i say “Jamie” with the utmost respect

  46. harlem world Says:

    “i used to live in the gutter
    just me & my mother
    now she 50 years old pushin a hummer”

  47. LeRoy Green Says:

    Big Pun top 10 DOA tho.

    I don’t know if theres any rapper wit more verses that I HAD to rewind cuz I had to hear it again.

  48. Bones Jackson Says:

    you shouldnt be…

    dude could rap for real…

    ^^^

    I believe you, but if a rapper is dead and I haven’t heard their stuff yet, I won’t begin.

  49. harlem world Says:

    “brooklyn niggas is hardcore…except for jay-z”

  50. b-ease Says:

    Dope write up Es. The streets need more of that, no homillz.

  51. Remixznflow Says:

    LOL i see…

  52. b Says:

    he killt that niggas in paris remix too..

    lemme find out that bamma been practicing

    ^LMAO. t.i.>>>>>>>>

  53. Bones Jackson Says:

    Which kinda sucks because I live in Dallas and back in the 90’s if you were a rapper past the Mason Dixon line, your shit wasn’t getting played.

    The only Nas song I have ever heard on the radio was the bullshit with Ginuwine and One Mic.

  54. sarjo1988 Says:

    tHe KiD fRanKiE Says:

    December 7th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
    Paul wall gem per bar ratio is only touched by other competitors the likes of curren$y, and Bryan Williams

    May sound like a joke, but you prolly ain’t listening right

    Paul wall platinum artist 2 classics under belt
    Beatrice king of the one verse killers
    And he got hits on hits

    ^
    true, but still made me laugh

  55. harlem world Says:

    if you havent seen the pun documentary, i highly recommend you watch it

  56. Remixznflow Says:

    Bones Jackson Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    you shouldnt be…

    dude could rap for real…

    ^^^

    I believe you, but if a rapper is dead and I haven’t heard their stuff yet, I won’t begin.

    ^
    wait.. so… no biggie.. no pac?

  57. 911 Says:

    Daps bkscribe, another twitter defector..

  58. Jackson7 Says:

    no doubt Pun was a master at advanced wordplay and multi syllabic rhyming…

    i never really check for his joints tho…

    not sure why…

    Capital Punishment is bars for days, but doesnt have the replay value that Internal Affairs does..

    now THATS some advanced lyricism…

    Pharoah Monch = GOAT wordsmith

  59. harlem world Says:

    The only Nas song I have ever heard on the radio was the bullshit with Ginuwine

    ================
    one of nas best songs

    dont front

  60. b Says:

    when sean and lv revealed the fact that pun wrote his own hooks I was even more impressed.

  61. sarjo1988 Says:

    I aint embarrased but i aint ready for no baby carriage
    especially if the ladies average and I AINT ESTABLISHED
    ^
    gems on gems

  62. Bones Jackson Says:

    I heard pac and biggie before they died.

    Not a fan of Pac. Biggie is cool..

  63. harlem world Says:

    fat joe’s wife >>>>

  64. Remixznflow Says:

    Pharoah Monch = GOAT wordsmith

    ^
    without a doubt… one of THE best…

  65. sarjo1988 Says:

    harlem world Says:

    December 7th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    if you havent seen the pun documentary, i highly recommend you watch it
    ^
    duly noted

  66. BKScribe Says:

    whattup 911.. how things been?

  67. b-ease Says:

    Paul Wall sucks. But his verses on Drive Slow and Still Tippin get a pass.

  68. tHe KiD fRanKiE Says:

    ================
    one of nas best songs

    dont front

    ^a unfairly shit on song

    Gems city too

  69. LeRoy Green Says:

    Puns stat sheet for features???

    don’t get me started…

    Onyx Shut Em Down remix wit Pun, DMX and Nore

    John Blaze

    Fantastic Four

    Banned From TV

    Pun caught bodies all over the fuckin NY rap scene. Rediculous

  70. Remixznflow Says:

    b-ease Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Paul Wall sucks. But his verses on Drive Slow and Still Tippin get a pass.

    ^
    ok.. but they are in no way classic-esque are they?

  71. Remixznflow Says:

    who even said that?

  72. Jackson7 Says:

    after i first heard Internal Affairs, NO ONE on theis planet, could tell me that Monch wasnt the best MC that ever lived, or will ever live..

    ive since calmed down, but that LP is STILL the prototype for lyrical dominance

  73. Troyvul Says:

    if you havent seen the pun documentary, i highly recommend you watch it
    ^
    Didnt he used to whip his wifes ass?

  74. b-ease Says:

    Big Pun top 10 DOA tho.

    ^^
    Nah. As amazing as the lyricism and production is on Capital Punishment, it sorely lacked in actual innovation. Yeah Baby was a severe victim of the sophomore slump.

    Top 10 lyricist? Yeah. Overall artist? Nope.

  75. b Says:

    Bones Jackson Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    I heard pac and biggie before they died.

    Not a fan of Pac. Biggie is cool..

    ^LOL. I’m scared to ask ya top 5

  76. Jackson7 Says:

    no one wasnt shittin on “Owe Me Back”, til son started beefin with Camel..

    that joint was a smash hit and the broads LOVED it…

    same with Oochie Wally…

    both them joints was ill, and take alotta shit for no reason

  77. BKScribe Says:

    crazy that pun is still the topic this many comments in…

    ..

    takeover > ether

  78. LeRoy Green Says:

    b-ease Says:

    December 7th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    Paul Wall sucks. But his verses on Drive Slow and Still Tippin get a pass.

    ^^^^^6

    correct.

    Paul Wall been trash, Chamillionaire been nicer than him since way back. He owe Chamillionaire a hunnid favors

  79. AmpGeez a.k.a. Amphernee Hardaway Says:

    Monch is too big of a weirdo.

    Niggas fucked with Pun.

    That’s…the mathematical madness I’m on, the savage, the strong
    The marriage, a bond of havoc and song
    This massacre’s on as if Picasso laced you
    There’s lotsa hateful skeletons locked
    in the closet of my castle of Grayskull
    I’m possum at grade school, that’s why I have to debate you
    My raps are like Capel, slashin’ your face, you
    That’s how a master degrades you
    I’m battlin’ Jesus (hay-soos) if he passes through my label
    I’m snatchin’ his halo
    God I pray that you send my father back as an angel
    Language is fatal and it’s hypnotizin’
    I’m only emphasizin’, I’m still all about business and enterprisin’
    I’m super lyrical, a brain boosts the chemicals
    That’s used contenicals inside of my mental projectable

  80. tHe KiD fRanKiE Says:

    *swisha house remix*

  81. Remixznflow Says:

    b Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Bones Jackson Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
    I heard pac and biggie before they died.

    Not a fan of Pac. Biggie is cool..

    ^LOL. I’m scared to ask ya top 5

    ^ word… if he say something like snoop and method man…

    smh.. man…

  82. harlem world Says:

    Troyvul Says:
    December 7th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    if you havent seen the pun documentary, i highly recommend you watch it
    ^
    Didnt he used to whip his wifes ass?

    =====================
    its true…

  83. b-ease Says:

    The only Nas song I have ever heard on the radio was the bullshit with Ginuwine

    ================
    one of nas best songs

    dont front

    ^^
    No, that songs awful. Oochie Walky was unfairly shat on though. That shit still gets the party popping. You Owe Me?? Not so much.

  84. Jackson7 Says:

    cosign b-ease…

    Pun was DEFINITELY ill with the words, but son was missing essential elements of overall greatness

  85. Fyodor Drostoevsky Says:

    The only Nas song I have ever heard on the radio was the bullshit with Ginuwine

    ^
    Word. I’ve only heard One Mic on the radio once, in high school riding home blazed at like 4 in the morn. Shit had me wanting to riot in Soweto. So cinematic… a bum drops his Heineken…

  86. Bones Jackson Says:

    I’ve never listened to a Pharoahe Monch song besides Simon Says.

    He came through during the summer and did a show out here with some local hip hop group. Pharoahe went up and the whole crowd dissapated.

    He was dope though. I meant to listen to some more of his stuff. Any suggestions?

  87. 911 Says:

    The only Nas song I have ever heard on the radio was the bullshit with Ginuwine and One Mic.
    ______________________________
    He’s a terrorist.

  88. Bones Jackson Says:

    ^LOL. I’m scared to ask ya top 5

    ^ word… if he say something like snoop and method man…

    smh.. man…

    ^^^^^

    ……

    I know better than to put my top 5 on here. Shit would be blasphemy. but i can only go off of what i have heard..

  89. Troubleshooter1900 Says:

    i just have legitimate concerns about the white mans’ authenticity as a human species…

    but im not trying to offend or bait anyone…

    ^
    Hol’up…..
    You never heard Halftime on the radio?

    Hate Me Now?

    Thugs Mansion?

    ONE MIC?!?!?

    IF I RULED THE WORLD!?!?!?

    StopitNOW.

  90. LeRoy Green Says:

    Every since I heard Freeway over the Oochie Wally beat, the Nas and Bravehearts version doesn’t exist.

    Free caught the holy ghost, I never heard a nigga that hype over ANY instrumental.

  91. LaneKiffin*CainSniffin*LaneSwitchin Says:

    Pardon me.

    FREEWAY >>>>>>>>>>>>>

  92. Troubleshooter1900 Says:

    Nas is the single most greatest human being to ever step inside a booth and stream his conscience.

    NITGMCOAT

  93. Fyodor Drostoevsky Says:

    No, that songs awful. Oochie Walky was unfairly shat on though. That shit still gets the party popping. You Owe Me?? Not so much.

    ^
    Damn bad memories, My ninth grade geometry teacher confiscated my QB’s finest and B.G.’s Checkmate. I had to re-appropriate those from his desk like 2 weeks later. Students were like, “Damn I know he aint just steal Oochie Wally”

  94. 911 Says:

    @bks – been chilling mane, more money more problems. Gawd if it ain’t true, fuck the irs on gp, read between them lines. Other than that, families healthy..

  95. kevfresco Says:

    I thought Monch’s 2nd album, “Desire” is really dope

    >that album is dope.

    this is being contested?

  96. P.W. Says:

    Big Daddy Kane or Rakim in top 5? has to be either or.

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