Video: Melle Mel Responds To Joe Budden

No disrespect to Mel but Joey’s said a million times he’s talking about strictly bars and not accomplishments.

So after the jump, judge for yourselves: Melle Mel’s single from his 2007 album Muscles… pretty clear to me. When it comes to Meth though, it’s not so easy.


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60 Responses to “Video: Melle Mel Responds To Joe Budden”

  1. Farouq (ya thats my government) aka Nah’s Ving Rames in Baby Boy Says:

    whatever

  2. Farouq (ya thats my government) aka Nah’s Ving Rames in Baby Boy Says:

    but the List was a TOP MC list you can do that Bar for Bar shit with anyone

    Buddens would kill Scarface but no way in got damn hell is he a better MC.

    an MC is not a rapper

  3. kevfrescura de talco Says:

    ayo @ that chart tho mel. for real bruh.

  4. rex hussla Says:

    Mixtapes – And 1
    Albums – NBA

  5. E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA Says:

    Buddens would kill Scarface but no way in got damn hell is he a better MC.
    ^
    co-sign

  6. AmpGeez a.k.a. Pimpin Don't Fail Me Now Says:

    Buddens would kill Scarface but no way in got damn hell is he a better MC.

    an MC is not a rapper
    ==============================
    That bar for bar shit is all Budden has cause he doesn’t really make good records.

    But Melle Mel is just talking to be talking. I respect the vets, but he said his piece about Cowboy. Now sit yo’ old ass down.

  7. rex hussla Says:

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    Everyday is a new entry in the worst 10 outfits for Em SMH

  8. Jersey*made*me Says:

    Melle Mel’s “The Message”>>>>>Nas’ “The Message”

  9. RIGZ Says:

    He’s still missing the point. No disrepect to his accomplishments but Joey’s said a million times he’s talking about bar-for-bar today.

    ^^^^^

    Dre, you smarter than this

    Where in that Vibe article was they say its just about rapping TODAY?

    SMMFH.

    No. Joey’s missing the point.

    It was a “Greatest Rapper” list. Not a “Who’s The Best In 2009” list.

    SMH.

  10. kevfrescura de talco Says:

    an MC is not a rapper

    ^^^

    those.

  11. CiCi The Intern Says:

    # Jersey*made*me Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    I need to find one of those Wu “Ice Cream” tees or make one or something lol

    Chocolate Deluxe FTW!

    ^^
    I can provide the ice cream,hope you like vanilla ; P
    ^^^^

    Ooooh, you one of those Jersey boys, huh?

  12. RIGZ Says:

    # Jersey*made*me Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Melle Mel’s “The Message”>>>>>Nas’ “The Message”

    ^^^^

    LMAO.

    Is that a competition?

  13. RIGZ Says:

    Also, “The Greatest Rapper” is not the same as “The Best Rapper”

    Greatness is gained through accolades, no?

  14. Jersey*made*me Says:

    But Melle Mel is just talking to be talking. I respect the vets, but he said his piece about Cowboy. Now sit yo’ old ass down.

    ^^
    LMAO,this nigga was on deck.Wishing a nigga would(c)Ced

    Melle Mel been waiting for this platform for a minute.I’ve heard him talking greasy about new school rappers every chance he got.

  15. RIGZ Says:

    Joe asking if Melle Mel is better in 2009.

    Is like Melle Mel asking if Joe Budden was nicer than him in 1977.

  16. Big Homie Says:

    Melle Mel’s “The Message”>>>>>Nas’ “The Message”

    ^ LOL

  17. Jersey*made*me Says:

    Melle Mel’s “The Message”>>>>>Nas’ “The Message”

    ^^^^

    LMAO.

    Is that a competition?

    ^^
    After some of the comparions i’ve seen here,I take nothing for granted.

  18. Micheal Tyson aka admiration is the farthest thing from understanding Says:

    Jersey*made*me Says:

    May 15th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
    I gotta call a spade a spade.Them Staten Island niggas was on mute when 50 was going at them.The whole Wu !”Dirty ass Staten Island niggas(c)Curtis.Fast forward to today Method Man gets on Power 105 talking about violence when it’s Joe Budden.Any nigga that loses a fight to Method Man should never come outside again.
    ================================================
    affiliates of Wu diss curtis…Reakwon on the Supreme Caliente skit “Clyde Smith” spoke curtis name directly clowning him…RZA took a jab at curtis on a song cant remember the title though

  19. kevfrescura de talco Says:

    Greatness is gained through accolades, no?

    ^^^

    yes it is sir. yes it is.

  20. Big_seth Says:

    Bottom line. Joey is playing himself to his own internet fans by shitting on a list of all time greats & legends. By calling out names he has started more publicity & its not good for him because we know.

    I’m a fan, but shitting on people you owe your career to is a major L.

  21. Big Homie Says:

    I had no idea Melly Mel was still alive

  22. kevfrescura de talco Says:

    After some of the comparions i’ve seen here,I take nothing for granted.

    ^
    HA! no buuuuhlshit.

  23. Smear Says:

    @Billz: start with Robert johnson, Lead belly aka Huddy Leadbetter, dude was a proper hard man, literally sang his way out a murder stertch (not snitchin) JLHooker, Muddy Waters, Hendrix’s blues album….. good shit to jump into.
    I’m amazed that hip-hop dosn’t pay more homage to the form…. and the real dirty South

    Fuck off and go do some more curls Melle Mell….. your muscles were what kept you the belt back in the day anyways and its apparently kept you financialy solvent strppin at hen’s niights (nhjic). Respect the elders, yeah Joey was outta line, but shits been taken way outta context. BEST RAPPER EVER!???? WTF is the criteria anyway?

  24. Jersey*made*me Says:

    Ooooh, you one of those Jersey boys, huh?

    ^^
    *feels the love*

  25. RIGZ Says:

    # kevfrescura de talco Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Greatness is gained through accolades, no?

    ^^^

    yes it is sir. yes it is.

    ^^^

    So what the fuck is the problem? LOL

  26. Geronimo P Says:

    Daps to the squad.

    What the fuck is melle mel doing on the internet… wasn’t he born before the creation of the internet…

  27. Joe 88 Says:

    *Dead @ budden being at the ball sack of melle mel list*

  28. rrahha Says:

    whatever….you have no respect for the legends….who would win a pickup game today; Erick Dampier vs. Bill Russell? does that make Erick Dampier better than Bill Russell. The point is that its blaspemous and rediculous even to make such a comparison because music like sports everybody has their time. Melle Mel is an alltime great, Joe budden is good rapper…great, no…..he hasn’t done anything that will go down in history. Not a classic album, nothing. I’m a fan of his but sometimes he needs to stop letting his old dust habits speak for him. These dudes, yourself and all the fans, have to start showing more respect for the culture and those that came before them.

  29. kevfrescura de talco Says:

    So what the fuck is the problem? LOL

    ^^^

    black folk hating on black folk regardless of age, gender, and position in life in general is a gross conditioning of slavery homie. smmfh.

  30. RIGZ Says:

    What the fuck is melle mel doing on the internet… wasn’t he born before the creation of the internet…

    ^^^

    LOL

    You mean the World Wide Web

    The internet has been around for a while

  31. CiCi The Intern Says:

    # Jersey*made*me Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Ooooh, you one of those Jersey boys, huh?

    ^^
    *feels the love*
    ^^^^

    I guess I can get down with the swirl…

  32. Joe 88 Says:

    Joe asking if Melle Mel is better in 2009.

    Is like Melle Mel asking if Joe Budden was nicer than him in 1977

    ^realness

  33. Jersey*made*me Says:

    I had no idea Melly Mel was still alive

    ^^
    *burns Mexican flag downtown in downtown Mexico City*

  34. E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA Says:

    whatever….you have no respect for the legends….who would win a pickup game today; Erick Dampier vs. Bill Russell?
    ^
    I’d still pick Russell, Dampier sucks

  35. Big_seth Says:

    # Joe 88 Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Joe asking if Melle Mel is better in 2009.

    Is like Melle Mel asking if Joe Budden was nicer than him in 1977

    ^realness
    ^^

    THIS

  36. Del Says:

    # Big Homie Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I had no idea Melly Mel was still alive
    ——————————————–

    *Dead*

  37. EL RAP ES GUERRA Says:

    I would love to see meth & Joe go toe-to-toe on some old school battle rap type shit, hopefully this doesn’t turn into another wack ass 50/ross beef. Its been a while since we had a good beef on WAX and not for nothing, but Budden is a bit hotter at the moment than meth/red/mels and thats off the strength of Slaugheterhouse and his album, so if anything Meth/Red/Mel need the attention more than he does!!!!!!!!

  38. RIGZ Says:

    I’d just like to say again, that nowhere on this list did it say

    “The Best At Rappin Right Now, in 2009”

    Because everyone seems to overlook this fact.

  39. Tumer Says:

    BTW where were Big L and Pusha T seeded….and who were they up against.
    Thats right they stuck Rae against Pusha….that right there, while a perfect battle itself, shows how the results themselves would end up complete BS.

  40. Jersey*made*me Says:

    kevfrescura de talco Says:

    May 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
    So what the fuck is the problem? LOL

    ^^^

    black folk hating on black folk regardless of age, gender, and position in life in general is a gross conditioning of slavery homie. smmfh.

    ^^
    DAMN *daps*

  41. Biddick Louvear Says:

    In joe buddens warped mind, he thinks battling is the end all to be all. Thats his only criteria. He stays with other dudes name in his mouth and still hasn’t realize that his mouth gets him in all this trouble. He swears he’s this smart guy and overall he’s probably an irksome dude to be around with judging from his videos. I see why Hov ain’t give him the light. He thinks only his type of music is the way to go. Dude is a nutcase.

  42. Micheal Tyson aka admiration is the farthest thing from understanding Says:

    E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA Says:

    May 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
    whatever….you have no respect for the legends….who would win a pickup game today; Erick Dampier vs. Bill Russell?
    ^
    I’d still pick Russell, Dampier sucks
    ===============================================
    Joe Buddens isnt a scrub
    Melle Mel isnt even Top 40

    analogy FAIL

  43. Jersey*made*me Says:

    CiCi The Intern Says:

    May 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
    # Jersey*made*me Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Ooooh, you one of those Jersey boys, huh?

    ^^
    *feels the love*
    ^^^^

    I guess I can get down with the swirl…

    ^^

    You want me and I can arrange that for you…….Why we bullshitting?

  44. Smear Says:

    Joe asking if Melle Mel is better in 2009.

    Is like Melle Mel asking if Joe Budden was nicer than him in 1977

    ^realness
    ^exactly

    Joe must be confuhsed

  45. MrWah Says:

    This is all about generational differences when it boils down to it! Old School niggas(cats who were taught about giving respect before getting it) vs. Generation X a.k.a. the Lost Generation. The generation of today is arrogant and bold. Joe Budden & Method Man shouldn’t even go together in the same conversation! Honestly what makes Joe Budden that great? He is lyrical, but in all honesty his song structure and song making ability is very overrated. He has a terrible ear for beats… even his new joint Padded Room which all the New School niggas or Generation X are stans about is an average album at best. If Joe Budden came out as an MC during the Golden Era he wouldn’t even be top 30 during that era.

    Method Man & Melle = Respect

    Joe Budden = Lost Generation

  46. "The Party Killa" Says:

    MrWah Says:

    May 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    This is all about generational differences when it boils down to it! Old School niggas(cats who were taught about giving respect before getting it) vs. Generation X a.k.a. the Lost Generation. The generation of today is arrogant and bold. Joe Budden & Method Man shouldn’t even go together in the same conversation! Honestly what makes Joe Budden that great? He is lyrical, but in all honesty his song structure and song making ability is very overrated. He has a terrible ear for beats… even his new joint Padded Room which all the New School niggas or Generation X are stans about is an average album at best. If Joe Budden came out as an MC during the Golden Era he wouldn’t even be top 30 during that era.

    Method Man & Melle = Respect

    Joe Budden = Lost Generation
    ================================================
    ^^ Co-Sign

  47. Steve C. Says:

    To All,

    Where Joe is right:

    He’s a better lyricist and rapper than Melle Mel in both AND between the years 1977 and 2009. Set accolades aside, who has the best 32. Hip-Hop has no room for respectable debating. Joe wasn’t saying the guys were awful artists, nor did he say they didn’t have an impact or left a sizeable imprint on the game. If anyhting, he stated in the inteview with ED Lover that he was WELL AWARE of their accomplishments and contribution to the game….but, He’s saying right now in ’09 he has the hottest bars.

    Where Joe is went wrong:

    Most rappers are easily brusied and sensitive, and when you say that your better than them (ie. chopping someone’s head off), be prepared for a negative response. We always claim to keep it real, but when someone speaks their mind, we get negative. Joe could have said…”In today’s era, as an MC I have better skills, period then the following MC’s on this list”. If you don’t believe it… get in the booth.

    Joe spoke his mind. If any rapper has a problem with it… shut up and get in the booth. If Ali could get back in the ring and re-calim his title on more than one occasion…so can Mel and Meth

    P.S. Sounds like a case for J Smooth

    MicCheck 1-2 Podcast coming soon!

  48. SilkCityP Says:

    Biddick Louvear Says:

    May 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
    In joe buddens warped mind, he thinks battling is the end all to be all. Thats his only criteria. He stays with other dudes name in his mouth and still hasn’t realize that his mouth gets him in all this trouble. He swears he’s this smart guy and overall he’s probably an irksome dude to be around with judging from his videos. I see why Hov ain’t give him the light. He thinks only his type of music is the way to go. Dude is a nutcase.

    ^^^^^

    Exactly!! We all saw what happened to Canibus, LMAO! There are so many niggas that think they understand hip hop… Talking about going “Bar for Bar”, Lame… Make songs nigga, fuck some bars!! There are too many bragga rappers and thats played the fuck out, Too many punchline rappers, Too many swag rappers… Fact is there are very few complete MC’s, and its absurd that a cornball like Joe Budden thinks he is on the same level as a legend… Complete MC’s are Biggie, Nas, Pac, Jay, Face, Snoop, Em, and there are only a few more…. Budden is nowhere close to that yet

  49. Steve C. Says:

    @ SilkCityP:

    I fear your taking the subject out of context as well. Joe never said he considered himself as legend such as the names you mention. He just said lyrically he could hold his own with some of the higher seeds on vibes list, and that he felt he should be higher. Which I agree.

    Furthermore, the reason Hip-Hop has taken a decline, is beacuse too many people say, and i quote from your post “fuck some bars”.

    If you listen to Joe’s albums and mixtapes…you will know he has some very deep and interesting songs…but the radio on plays shallow and monotonous music. The ony criticism I could give, is that he pick better beats, but even his last album was and improvement.

  50. hecktic Says:

    sometimes i feel like im the ONLY one who actually listens to Joe Buddens music.

  51. whu Says:

    Didn’t hear Mouse ‘isht’ on anyone, merely asked a question.
    All due respect 2 MM of course though, with all the fact/history quoting. .still has NOT addressed the ???

    Which is 2day. .regardless of accolades which <<>>REAL battle<<<>NOTHING WRITTEN <<that is NOT freestlye.

    Then allow each person’s lyrics/story telling/stage presence speak 4 itself??

    The Em’s, the Lord Finesse’s, the Redman’s are not my personal #1’s or anywhere near, though OFF the head [only way 2 accurately judge all talents together]. .FACE FACTS Hip-Hoppers. .

    and NOT ur OPINIONS. .^^^those are the cats that will kill in a head up battle.

    i like Tariq, i like Tip[Q. .not ti], i like 3stax over pretty much ANY

    and i can openly admit, in a head up battle. .the Em’s and Red’s would smash. .period. Weezy as well, whom i do not prefer to anyone. .though facts are facts.

    Wake up form ur worthless opinions peeps

  52. Qu'ality. Says:

    plus Joe Budden was talking about RECENT PEOPLE.

    not OF ALL TIME!

  53. Pikasso Says:

    All I need, Bring the Pain, How High, Da rockwilder these are just a few classics that Meth has under his belt. i don’t’ even feel like naming that other dude name he has no classic songs, no classic albums i don’t give a 747 flying fuck if you can spit 500 bars without taking your breath. For someone to say that he will lyrically shop Meth head’s off right after saying that he got love for him sound like some corny bipolar shit to me.

    He if you are a current rapper leave the 90’s alone don’t even mention other ppl shit if you so great just prove it without having a lyrical diarrhea. I used to think of Jay-z being wack for blocking this dude career but now i see why, he seems to think that the world turns around him…(in jay’s voice) no man, we don’t believe you, you need more people.

  54. Jerms Says:

    lol okay Budden might be talking about bars, but the title he read out was PIONEER…meaning Joe Budden was wrong to diss his presence in hip-hop… not his modern presence…but if his past presence wasn’t there, who’s to say if we would of ever heard of Joe Budden? Which is exactly why Melle Mel is justified in his response, and Joe Budden is faulty in his claims…I just hope Joey doesn’t say anything back, or at least acknowledges that he made a mistake…By the way, I’d rather listen to a Budden track rather than Melle Mel…

  55. Jerms Says:

    # RIGZ Says:
    May 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    He’s still missing the point. No disrepect to his accomplishments but Joey’s said a million times he’s talking about bar-for-bar today.

    ^^^^^

    Dre, you smarter than this

    Where in that Vibe article was they say its just about rapping TODAY?

    SMMFH.

    No. Joey’s missing the point.

    It was a “Greatest Rapper” list. Not a “Who’s The Best In 2009″ list.

    SMH.

  56. Bayan Says:

    stupid ass Joe Budden betta pick up somebody else from the list, like the real lames in the game, not the originaters and godfathers
    these yungsters nowadays (although Budden isn’t too yung, but mentally he seems on the same level with them) just don’t have no respect
    they deserve a good slap to wake them up

    and if Mel can’t rap according to modern standards, so fuckin’ what, being what he is, it shouldn’t even matter whether he can or cannot
    U go at Vibe? Go at Vibe, don’t fuckin’ use other fawks as an artillery in ya wars
    Joel Ortiz assisting Joey in the rant, not sure why he assumed a role of an assistant, but why is he not ranting, he ain’t even on the list? He’s no worse than Joey to say the least
    after all y does this have to bother Joey so much, just fill out the PDF form, cross out Mel or whateva and send to Vibe, stop filmin’ these stupid videos

    is Joey trying to compensate for som or what? The dude is utterly confused
    Somebody betta give him a hug and wipe his tears, Joel?

  57. great zeee Says:

    hey sound ok for the time when he came out. the production and mixing of the track is wack though

  58. Cinsere Says:

    It’s like the 50 best NBA players list. If you’re talking about EVER, you can’t just choose a bunch of people from right now. You have to look at the OG’s, the pioneers, and the impact they made THEN. An Allen Iverson of our era could probably play circles around a Jerry West of his era, but you can never tell me Iverson is the better player, cuz he ain’t never accomplished anything!

    And no, I’m not one of those “you ain’t got no platinum plaques so you ain’t shit” type of dudes. If Joey had released a classic that went half-wood, I would certainly acknowledge it. But he ain’t release nothing of the sort, so he needs to fall back and learn how to humble himself!

  59. SOUPERVILLIAN Says:

    TREATED!…..YO’ BUDDEN IZ STRAIGHT BUT HE’Z ON SUM BULLSHIT AND HAS BEEN SINCE GLORIA VELEZ SHIT ON HIM ON “VLADTV” HEZ HAD A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER, THATZ Y HE WAZ EXTRA SALTY AFTER THAT “RANSOM” SHIT, CAUSE HE FELT VLAD WAZ TAKIN’ SIDEZ N’ PICKING ON HIM. JOELL ORTIZ TALK 2 UR BOI SETTLE HIM DOWN AND EXPLAIN 2 HIM THAT FUCKIN’ WITH PIONEERZ WHO MADE IT POSSIBLE 4 HIM 2 BE HERE IZ NOT A GOOD LOOK. THAT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE NBA BEN GORDON TALKIN’ SHIT ABOUT PIPPEN & KID LIKE NIGGA’ WE MADE U SOMETIMEZ U COME THROUGH BUT 4 THE MOST PART UR MEDIOCRE. P.S. THIS IZ Y MY CITY HASN’T RETAINED A CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 98′ CAUSE WERE STUCK WITH A JOE BUDDEN AS NIGGA’ NAMED BEN GORDON, HOPEFULLY NOT 4 MUCH LONGER. ATLEAST WE GOT ROSE! HE WOULD BE THE “CURE$Y” OF THE NBA ON HIS WAY 2 GREATNESS…

  60. SOUPERVILLIAN Says:

    TREATED!…..YO’ BUDDEN IZ STRAIGHT BUT HE’Z ON SUM BULLSHIT AND HAS BEEN SINCE GLORIA VELEZ SHIT ON HIM ON “VLADTV” HEZ HAD A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER, THATZ Y HE WAZ EXTRA SALTY AFTER THAT “RANSOM” SHIT, CAUSE HE FELT VLAD WAZ TAKIN’ SIDEZ N’ PICKING ON HIM. JOELL ORTIZ TALK 2 UR BOI SETTLE HIM DOWN AND EXPLAIN 2 HIM THAT FUCKIN’ WITH PIONEERZ WHO MADE IT POSSIBLE 4 HIM 2 BE HERE IZ NOT A GOOD LOOK. THAT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE NBA BEN GORDON TALKIN’ SHIT ABOUT PIPPEN & KID LIKE NIGGA’ WE MADE U SOMETIMEZ U COME THROUGH BUT 4 THE MOST PART UR MEDIOCRE. P.S. THIS IZ Y MY CITY HASN’T RETAINED A CHAMPIONSHIP SINCE 98′ CAUSE WERE STUCK WITH A JOE BUDDEN AS NIGGA’ NAMED BEN GORDON, HOPEFULLY NOT 4 MUCH LONGER. ATLEAST WE GOT ROSE! HE WOULD BE THE “CURREN$Y” OF THE NBA ON HIS WAY 2 GREATNESS…

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