Back On Fish and Spaghetti

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"I’m not your enemy. Don’t sit here and portray that Puff took something from y’all." – Diddy to The Lox in 2005

Add G Dep to the long list of disgruntled former Bad Boy employees. Errol Louis of the Daily News sat down with him last week a couple of days after he left Rikers Island following a 23 day stay for smashing a cell phone during an argument with a T-Mobile salesman.

Dep signed a contract to create five albums for Diddy’s Bad Boy record label for $350,000 — what seemed like a princely sum at the time. Dep’s first album, "Child of the Ghetto," came out in 2001 and did respectably.

But industry experts say it takes about two years, on average, to create and launch a new album, partly because the creative process can’t be rushed and partly because an artist’s sales slump when radio stations and fans get flooded with too many albums to choose from.

Dep’s five-album deal, in reality, was more like a 10-year employment contract — the equivalent of making $35,000 a year working for somebody else. Actually, it’s worse than that, because the money’s gone now — but any new music Dep wants to record will belong to the label.  

Is Puff just doing what he’s supposed do as the head of a label, or is he taking unfair advantage of these young artists? Were all of these people really that gullible and ignorant of the ways of the music business, or is something else going on here? During the whole Lox publishing conflict, he basically said that it wasn’t his fault that they didn’t do their homework. Which is a good point. But don’t these seasoned execs, many of who pulled themselves up from the same streets where they found these rappers, have a moral responsibility to do right by them? 

Maybe I’m on a spaceship.


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144 Responses to “Back On Fish and Spaghetti”

  1. Joey Cake Says:

    350K upfront to rap, sounds pretty good to me! The problem is that rappers get that check and start the usual buying of bling, bitches, and butter and before you know it – Boom, back to the ghetto!

    You can’t blame Puff, he gave the lil jit an opportunity to make it in hip-hop. He justed wasn’t hot enough.

  2. moneyray Says:

    that grafh and prinz is hardd

  3. Paperstacker Says:

    And 1 mixtape game> 07 NBA all star game

    By a far margin might i add, this shit was garbage. No difference from any other season game. The all star games have changed alot. back in the day you had Dr J, Bird, then jordan all making the all star game an event you wouldnt want to miss. The shit was decent up to like 3 years back. Like nation said this weekend is just good for product placement and advertisements. You got Sony promoting they shit for the skills challenge, running back they video game commercials every second and giving players PS3’s as prizes. The skills challenge is dumb as hell, no effort involved in running drills elemntary kids do in practice.

    The dunk contest aint been fire since carter won back in like 2000 or something.

    Is it me or is everything on a decline. The NBA All star weekend/playoffs, Hip Hop, etc.

    oh yeah, regardless of what people say i think kobe the best player in the nba now. U could see the animosity from the other players when he got that mvp. Maybe if them niggas played today like he did instead of treating that shit like a practice they’d have got the mvp.

  4. E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA Says:

    Is it me or is everything on a decline. The NBA All star weekend/playoffs, Hip Hop, etc.
    ^^^^^
    Baseball is on the upswing: Pujols, Reyes, Howard, Cabrerra, Santana, Liriano

  5. Stafon Says:

    PUFF IS DOING HIS JOB VERY WELL…BUT HE IS GETTING AT THESE DUDES HARD…HARD ENOUGH FOR THEM TO HUSTLE HARD. I BET YUNG JOC DON’T FUCK UP. AND 8BALL AND MJG ARE JUST NOW GETTING BACK INTO THE GAME…THEM NIGGAS BETTER SELL THAT CRACK (ALBUMS)

  6. The Truth... Says:

    This is tuff….Puffy should look out, in a sense. Puffy is (or should be) different from, let’s say, the guy who owns Virgin Records…who probably has never met any of his artists.
    Artists sign these contracts cause they are not thinking that it will take the label 10 years to put out 5 albums (at this rate it will take Bad Boy 15 years!)….
    Personally, my advice is not to sign long contracts. 3 albums at the most..and I still would want the possibility to not continue with the business relationship if I’m not treated properly. I would do something like 3 albums, but on a 1+1+1 basis. We do one and if everything is cool, we do the second one and the same for the third….

  7. nation Says:

    weezy f baby
    weezy frenches baby

  8. Two-Times Says:

    Game got punked in Vegas by Buck…haha…

  9. nation Says:

    ^ of course he did. you know who took a loss this weekend though?

    http://www.perezhilton.com/upload/2007/02/our_future_boyfriend/kelisnewhair.jpg

  10. dCs Says:

    “Is it me or is everything on a decline. The NBA All star weekend/playoffs, Hip Hop, etc.
    ^^^^^
    Baseball is on the upswing: Pujols, Reyes, Howard, Cabrerra, Santana, Liriano”

    Liriano isn’t even movin his arm, forget about swingin anythin on that boy. and i think u forgettin griffey in that list… yeeaaahhh boy! (still got love for The Kid)

  11. HERBAL KINT Says:

    Two-Times Says:
    February 19th, 2007 at 2:05 am
    Game got punked in Vegas by Buck…haha…

    LINK OR DIE (C) ESKAY

    ( AND DON’T GIVE ME NO BULLSHIT PICS OF GAME WALKING WITH HIS BOYS )

  12. Sh*t Son Says:

    ^^^^^

    ballerstatus.net/news/read/id/12453611/

    Thats all ive heard about it

  13. Joe 88 A.K.A No amount of security Says:

    I told niggas Baby juvenile (G.Green)was gonna win the slam dunk contest. Still smh @ tyrus comments

    *Hands in late pass*

  14. Sh*t Son Says:

    U know what could of been cool, if Buck and Game settled it there and then and had a battle instead of the nonsense that went on. Are at least took it outside. Coz G-Unit Game Beef is boring

  15. Joe 88 A.K.A No amount of security Says:

    What happen between buck & game????

  16. Jamz Says:

    As the ole’ saying goes: There’s a sucka born every minute!

    Puffy has been known as a money leech for many years now, so anyone that signs with him should know everything about their situation with the company before doing so! If the hunger of getting a deal is more important than reading the fine print, then so be it! The price for fame can be a bytch sometimes, but everyone has a choice.

    Puffy + Morals = It’ll Never Happen!

  17. Sh*t Son Says:

    There’s a link a couple comments up, there were at the same party in ?Vegas, nearly got into something but security squashed it.

  18. HERBAL KINT Says:

    Sh*t Son Says:
    February 19th, 2007 at 9:16 am
    ^^^^^

    ballerstatus.net/news/read/id/12453611/

    Thats all ive heard about it

    GOOD LOOKS SOUNDS LIKE SOME BULLSHIT

    HOW’S 2 TIMES SAY BUCK PUNKED GAME THER ? SOUNDS LIKE A BITCH MOVE TO ME ( BUT THAN AGAIN HE THINKS ITS OK TO MAKE A SONG CALLING SOMEONE A PUSSY AFTER YOU HAVE A RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST THEM, EVEN IF THE JUDGE ORDERED IT YOU ANTAGONIZING THEM WHEN YOUR PROTECTED THATS A PUSSY MOVE. )

    SO WHAT BUCK STARTS DISSING GAME WHEN HE IS FAR AS FUCK AWAY AND THERES A SEA OF PEOPLE AND SECURITY IN BETWEEN THEM AND THEN THEY WANNA CLAIM IT A VICTORY ?

    THIS IS WHY I CAN’T RESPECT THESE DUDES AND BUCK WAS THE ONE I ACTUALLY RESPECTED, NOT TO MENTION HE LOSES EXTRA POINTS CAUSE I WAS JUST READING AN INTERVIEW WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW HE ISNT GONNA DISS CAM, DIPS JADA, FAT JOE OR THE GAME. HE WASN’T GONNA USE ANY OF THAT TO SELL HIS ALBUM AND WHATS THE FIRST THING HE DOESN WHEN HE GETS IN FRONT OF A CROWD OF PEOPLE ?

    FUCK OUTTA HERE

    ANOTHER BITCH MOVE BY THE UNIT

  19. clarance thomas Says:

    does any1 know where i can watch the full episodes of american ganster past episodes on bet and no bet does not show the whole episodes

  20. nation Says:

    it’s ok ty, we’ll fuck up(ayoo) two times when he gets here… juss calm down (c) you already know

  21. E-DUBBS Says:

    It doesnt sound like a bad deal to me.. 350,000 is the base salary not including extra money earned if your album sells the way Puff expected (which it obviously didnt)

    That 350,000 is like a base salary then you have your bonuses for sales and shows, etc.. Any artist who signs just for the base salary alone is an idiot.

  22. clarance thomas Says:

    clarance thomas Says:

    February 19th, 2007 at 10:02 am
    does any1 know where i can watch the full episodes of american ganster past episodes on bet?

  23. T Nelson Says:

    E-DUBBS Says:

    February 19th, 2007 at 10:06 am
    It doesnt sound like a bad deal to me.. 350,000 is the base salary not including extra money earned if your album sells the way Puff expected (which it obviously didnt)

    That 350,000 is like a base salary then you have your bonuses for sales and shows, etc.. Any artist who signs just for the base salary alone is an idiot.
    ^^^^^^

    $350,000 aint really that much after you factor in taxes lawyers managers and accountants he might have only seen maybe $100,000 of that money…and you gotta make that 350,000 back before you see any of your album sales

  24. clarance thomas Says:

    350k is not alot, said from people, who probally made and average of less that 35k for the last ten years

  25. HERBAL KINT Says:

    nation Says:
    February 19th, 2007 at 10:04 am
    it’s ok ty, we’ll fuck up(ayoo) two times when he gets here… juss calm down (c) you already know

    LMAO

    I JUST HAD TO GET IT OUT THE WAY EARLY I GOT MAD WORK TO DO TODAY WON’T BE ABLE TO KEEP WRITING NOVELS TODAY I’LL LEAVE BILLZ TO HIT CLEAN-UP TODAY, I’LL BE BY TO SEE WHAT FOOLS SAY AND SAY A QUICK PIECE HERE AND THERE BUT THATS ALL I GOT TIME FOR TODAY

  26. HERBAL KINT Says:

    ” I’M THE VOICE OF THE YOUTH THATS LIVIN FOR NO REASON/
    FUCK RECORD SALES I GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN “

  27. HERBAL KINT Says:

    Young Buck co-signs Wayne and Baby playing kissy face

    WHO CARES

    WHEN’S THAT LIVE FROM THE BRICKS DROPPING ?

  28. nation Says:

    >> I JUST HAD TO GET IT OUT THE WAY EARLY I GOT MAD WORK TO DO TODAY WON’T BE ABLE TO KEEP WRITING NOVELS TODAY I’LL LEAVE BILLZ TO HIT CLEAN-UP TODAY, I’LL BE BY TO SEE WHAT FOOLS SAY AND SAY A QUICK PIECE HERE AND THERE BUT THATS ALL I GOT TIME FOR TODAY

    you are APPRECIATD. can’t wait to hear from you again. kk, buh bye. lol

    >> Young Buck co-signs Wayne and Baby playing kissy face

    he done did it years ago, this article ain’t saying that… you know you done went hollywood when…

  29. Sour D. Says:

    “WHEN’S THAT LIVE FROM THE BRICKS DROPPING ? ”

    Tommorow

  30. HERBAL KINT Says:

    Sour D. Says:
    February 19th, 2007 at 11:06 am
    “WHEN’S THAT LIVE FROM THE BRICKS DROPPING ? ”

    Tommorow

    WORD

    * E-SMACKS NATION’S E-KUFI *

  31. eskay Says:

    >>he done did it years ago, this article ain’t saying that… you know you done went hollywood when…

    ………..

    *gets on nation Kufi line*

  32. HERBAL KINT Says:

    eskay Says:
    February 19th, 2007 at 11:26 am
    >>he done did it years ago, this article ain’t saying that… you know you done went hollywood when…

    ………..

    *gets on nation Kufi line*

    LMAO

  33. E-DUBBS Says:

    350 isnt alot in terms of total earnings but that 350 just represents your bare minimum.. The real money is made off of successfull albums that you put out. Now if you tank, like he did.. its a wrap.. But lets be real, Puff not an idiot. He not gonna over-pay for some damn G-Dep. Giving G-Dep a deal of any sort is a gift in the first place.

  34. Ausar Says:

    I don’t think race has anything to do with this at all. This is nothing more than the art of negotiation.

    G-Dep supposed to be a street nigga and he let someone hussle him this simple?

    $350,000 for 5 albums; even if you drop 1 album a year (the most you could ever hope for), that’s only 75,000 a year. What… G-Dep don’t know mathematics?

    You can’t blame Puff for this, it’s not a complex enough deal to say anybody got tricked; G-Dep just signed a bad deal. And it’s funny because I thought I remember there being some kinda bidding war for this kid.

    He sold himself cheap, for way too long an agreement. THE PERSON HE NEEDS TO BE MAD AT IS HIS LAWYER!

  35. Ausar Says:

    …SORRY, I MEANT $70,000 A YEAR, EVEN WORSE!

  36. EmmCee Says:

    Not saying it’s right but it’s true and it’s the “Amreican Way”.

  37. Billy X. Sunday Says:

    eSKay,
    you are on a gotdamned spaceship when you use moral responsibility and record exec in the same post.

    how real is it that G-Dep had to sit in the clink because Diddy didn’t want to fork over $750 for dude’s bail? It’s like this… That $350,000 is gone, your azz is dead and stinking. Puff and giving niggas dough for a fucking bus pass.

    speaking of spaceships… I like that Kangay West song called ‘Spaceship’ featuring GLC and Consequence a/k/a Dr. Teeth

  38. Combat Jack Says:

    Dude, a contract is a contract. Puff’s contract are no different than Sony’s or Universal’s. The effe’d up thing is that cats expect brothers to do business differently than the majors. Cam was right when he dissed Nas, taunting him to run up on Tommy Motolla and Donny Ienner at Sony. Jigs are still scared of White but have much ballz (nullus) when it comes to dealing with our own. Also, Bad Boy contracts HAVE to reflect the terms of their distributer (Arista/ BMG) so to have less in his contract would mean that Puff would be fucking himself up. What part of the game is this? Niggas don’t be beefing when they take out leases for cars and loans for colleges and mortgages unless Black runs the show, then they have a lot to say. All them niggas (LOX, G Dep, Shyne, Ma$e) is straight PUSS when it comes to business. Funny shit is these niggas had it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then all them cats signed to Death Row. Only a handful of niggas popped shit abour Suge, plus did so after dude fell way the eff off. Soft! This is coming from a seasoned entertainment lawyer that KNOWS the business.

  39. eskay Says:

    ^when CJ talks, I’ll listen.

    as for the rest of you Community college dropouts….

  40. Bino Brown Says:

    I myself have been jerked around by Sean Combs as well. I was set to sign a contract w/ Bad Boy records around the same time as Gdep and elected not to. Most people thought I was crazy at the time, but something about it didn’t feel right. I had had some producers signed to the hitmen(puff’s production team) who actually did a track (I want the world to see) on Dep’s album and was never payed my a+r fees for. My producers (Hot Block) also did the lead track for the Madd Rapper album that I also found and was not paid for. At the time I didn’t know I was to be compensated, Sean verbally promised to take care of me and never did.
    You would think somebody who comes from where you are from would understand how big these small amounts of monies are to someone who hasn’t achieved what he has.

  41. Combat Jack Says:

    Whaddup Es? Love to polly and build on some possibilities when u get the chance. Holla.

  42. nottz Says:

    Ay man reading is fundamental yall remember that?? You learn that when you are in 1st grade.

    Puff or whoever can do nothing but what’s in your contract? So b4 the lox, gdep, mase, etc. sign the dotted line, how bout take some time and read the dam document.

    If you sign something you dont understand you deserve to get raped. Flat out

    tell gdep and them to get thier comprehension skills up, fa real…

  43. KansasCityMack Says:

    Diddy is the shepard and his artists are the sheep. It’s is the job of the shepard to get the maximum yield out of his flock. That means wool for clothes, milk, meat…EVERYTHING! It’s not the shepard’s fault. The fault lies with people lining up to be sheep.

    Know your business or stay out of the game. It won’t change for you.

  44. Soulow Says:

    Honestly, it’s jus tha way Diddy be doin his business. The only person he ever really made successfull was Biggie, and thaz cuz biggie was a business man. He wasn’t some hustluh off tha block who wasnt really business oriented. Lil Cease talks about it in “The Chronicles of The Junior MAFIA”. He went to diddy tryina get money for a new album and diddy turned him away like he didnt even know his ass. Diddy’s a snake with fine-print schemes to fuck cats outta they loot plain and simple… Which basically just makes him an upper-class white business man. Kinda like a new york stock exchasnge type a cat.

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