Platinum Entrepreneur: The Premier Issue

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The first issue of Cam and Julia Beverly’s joint magazine venture,  Platinum Entrepreneur is now available for download at killacamron.com. I’m sure it’s going to get endless hate, but it actually doesn’t look too bad at all. Here’s a excerpt from the interview with Cam and Julia:

Aside from The Diplomats and the other side income that you have, what percentage of your income comes from your personal album sales?

Back then, it wasn’t a large percentage. My deal now on Asylum is way better. I get $8.40 per record.

What about the movie Killa Season? How do the numbers break down?

My movie comes out on April 25th. Just to give you some quick numbers on how it’s going to work, I paid for everything on my movie. I paid $300,000 to do the movie. Asylum gave me an acquisition, which means that after the film is done they pay for the marketing and promotions. They paid $250,000. I make around $8.50 a movie. So I recoup after 18,000. Let’s say I do 50,000 the first week – 20,000 times $8.50 is what I make for the movie that week. For the album, it’s the same thing. I get $8.40 an album and I recoup after 200,000.

Other features include a primer on Soundscan from Wendy Day, a "Fatty of the Month" feature that the guys should enjoy, and interviews with Sharon Benjamin of Elite Financial Management, and Wilbur Gonzales of The Corcoran Group real estate firm. All in all, it’s alot more than I expected from a magazine with the name Cameron Giles on the masthead.

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462 Responses to “Platinum Entrepreneur: The Premier Issue”

  1. Brooklynite Says:

    1ST??!!

  2. SINCE 83 Says:

    Interesting piece.

  3. Brooklynite Says:

    Yes Sir Fuck Cam. GAME OVER!! (I wonder if he knows)

  4. LANDLORDBIGGUMS62 Says:

    *GOOD LOOKS ESKAY*

  5. Brooklynite Says:

    Nah real talk tho cam a hood nigga, he still aint get past that “i got the freshest sneakers on the block” mentality and truthfully i dont think he’ll ever.He’s good wit just harlem bumpin his shit and running around acting like a bafoon.

  6. the Landlord Says:

    …more scrilla scrilla, more scrilla scrilla for Killa Killa…

  7. Boosie Says:

    but cams numbers wasnt that good, his album only sold like 200 thousand plus so 200,000 times about 10 is about 2 million which comes about to 1.75 million he got.

    Then he had to pay off other people for distribution and other people on his pay roll.

    so cam is looking at about 1.5 million from the killa season album which is just plain garbage.

  8. Kheri Wes Says:

    we say that is garbage to make 1.5 million for an album, but that is more than 90% of the game like 9 dollars per album thats unheard of when did cam get status to the point to get a deal like that sounds pretty wierd to me.

  9. the Landlord Says:

    …it would be safe to say that not many of us who post here have 1.5 million dollars…i’ll take that plain garbage each and every day of the week…one man’s plain garbage is another man’s gold…or something like that….

  10. eskay Says:

    plus that album isn’t finished selling, it’s not even a month old. I know he’s probably not gonna move that many more units but he’ll move some.

  11. DBrown11 Says:

    I wonder if people listen to an album before saying its garbage

  12. steve Says:

    DUCK TALES!!

  13. Boosie Says:

    So I bet young joc’s album might tight though. I have listened to it. Anyone wanna inform me?

  14. Boosie Says:

    correction: I havent listened to it.

  15. DBrown11 Says:

    What’s up with the comparisons with cam and young joc on this site… I know cats don’t fuck wit cam but damn!

  16. the Landlord Says:

    DBrown11 Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 3:27 pm
    I wonder if people listen to an album before saying its garbage
    ———————–
    …nope, most blindly just hate on a brother…im still perplexed that anyone would say 1.5 million in gwop is garbage…boosie must have made more money off his own classic album….

  17. el_feces_loco Says:

    *lookin at boosies post*
    NIGGA ITS PLAIN TO SEE YOU DONT HAVE A FUCKIN CLUE..FROM THIS POINT ON IM GONNA BAN MYSELF FROM RESPONDIN TO YOU…NIGGA GONNA MAKE 1.5 WITH NO PROMO,NO MAJOR MOVIE HOUSES,1 VIDEO ETC..SMH..SOME PEOPLE CAN ONLY SEE WHAT THEY SEE…SOME HOW YOU SEE MAKIN 1.7-2 MILLION FROM 300 THOUSAND AS NOT AGOOD THING?

    Then he had to pay off other people for distribution and other people on his pay roll.

    ANY NORMAL HUMAN BEING WITH SENSE WOULD THINK THAT 300, 000 WENT INTO PAY ROLL, PROD,MKT, DIST ETC..I GUESS YOU THINK EVERYONE WORKED FOR FREE AND GLADLY SAID “YES” WHEN CAM SAID ” YOU ALL WILL GET PAID AFTER I SEE HOW MUCH THIS MAKE”

  18. the Landlord Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
    correction: I havent listened to it.
    ———————–

    …apparrantly…

  19. Boosie Says:

    landlord,

    I was talking about the young joc album

  20. el_feces_loco Says:

    LOL LANDLORD..SOME HATERS JUST DONT HAVE NO PENDULUM..IF A NIGGA CANT SEE WHEN HE’S WRONG OR BEING AN IDIOT THEN YOU WILL SOON MAKE YOURSELF INTO AN IDIOT TRYING TO CHANGE HIS VIEWS.

  21. Big Boi RI Says:

    I can stand Cam the rapper but he has some good business sense. A lot of rappers dont make 1.5mil off there album.

  22. the Landlord Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
    landlord,

    I was talking about the young joc album
    ——————
    …i stand corrected….

  23. Boosie Says:

    At el,

    Dog, If I would have gon by your theory, I should have banned myself a long time ago from posting to your comments.

    No promo, I saw that shit airing on Bet for a 15 second commercial and shit. Everyone knew his album was coming out. The nigga had promo.

    The nigga is claiming that he is mad paid, hence in point, there are many rappers making more than cam.

  24. bary bonds Says:

    cam is a funny dude

  25. DBrown11 Says:

    Boosie this is 2006 money

  26. bary bonds Says:

    u right no promo…..because that jayz marketing plan diss was the worst ever..

  27. Big Boi RI Says:

    @ boosie,there are not many rapper doing better than cam who dont have a major label behind them

  28. Manolo AKA Plug industries Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
    So I bet young joc’s album might tight though. I have listened to it. Anyone wanna inform me?

    —————————-
    I got it but its so much hot ish out I havent put it in. If you like Jeezy and Gucci Mane type music youll prolly like it since the same dj who produced them produced young Joc

  29. Boosie Says:

    Landlord- dipset fanatic

    eskay- hidden camron fan

    el feces- Dame rider, so he likes cam

    d. brown- what you talking about this is 2006? I dont get it.

    Big Boi- yeah you right on that, but he claims like he’s got madd madd loot.

  30. el_feces_loco Says:

    PWAHAHAH YOU THINK SO?ID BET TO SAY THAT HIP HOP ONLY MADE ABOUT 5 TRUE MILLIONAIRES LAST YEAR AND ABOUT 30-40 PAPER MILLIONAIRES..YOU KEEP THINKIN THE LIFE OF A RAPPER IS GREAT AND MAKES ALL THE RAPPERS MONEY..YOU WATCH TV ON FACE VALUE MY DUDE..

    5 REAL MILLIONAIRES AND THIS IS ONLY CAUSE THEY GOT RING TONES AND SNEAKER DEALS ON THE SIDE

    1 JEEZY
    2 PAUL WALL
    3 THE GAME
    4T.I

    PAPER MILLIONAIRES/AINT RECOUPED YET
    1. MOBB DEEP
    2.CHAMILLIONAIRE
    3.GHOSTFACE
    4.REMY MA
    5 JUELZ
    6TWISTA
    7 E 40
    8ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE NOT MENTIONED THAT DROPPED THE PAST YEAR..

    THE LISTS ONLY INCLUDES SALES FROM ONE ALBUM.

  31. Big Boi RI Says:

    @ boosie, when is 1.5 mil not a lot of dough and most rappers dont have the 300,000 to start and he own his MASTERS!!!

  32. Kheri Wes Says:

    @el
    the second half of that list are probably not even close to that type of music becasue they are on major labels and are not getting a third of what cam is getting, except maybe E-40 who has been in the game a while and might have a good deal, but i dont know what the south saled are looking like, but if they rival chicago’s E-40 is hurtin too

  33. Kheri Wes Says:

    ^ oh yeah el i am agreeing

  34. DBrown11 Says:

    Boosie you said cam was broke or not getting money like that, 1.5 million in 2006 is not broke to me

  35. Boosie Says:

    Well every rapper gets jerked for their money and really aint no millionares. But cam only sold 2-300 thousand so I guess he got a good deal on the 8.40.

    But E-40 has more money than cam overall

    juelz- doesnt even make 500,00 a year

    cham- he has been moving independant units for a while now so he might just have as much as cam

    Twista- not really a factor

    ghost- we all know he aint no millionre

    remy- basically broke- stunting like she got money.

    Kanye -more loot than cam
    redman- aint dropped no albums, more loot than cam
    method man- same thing

  36. DBrown11 Says:

    Boosie Im done you’re obviously still in high school

  37. Kheri Wes Says:

    Boosie, you are really discrediting cam, i may be able to go with you on the whole e-40 thing (he been in the game a long time), but the point is cam does have cake he has a lot of money that comes in outside of rap i know for a fact he has a couple of little properties in chicago and not to say he making major millions, but you would be surprised he does a lot outside of rapping, i respect the dude as a business man and a rapper ( a long long time ago), but you are jsut shitting on him because he is a bit of a clown

  38. Boosie Says:

    Ok but look at it from the financial means.

    I dont know where cam lives now anyone wanna tell me?

    all his furs, lambo gas, ice, security, thugs on his pay roll. That is going to hit his 1.5- 2.5 revenue that he makes. What other business ventures does he have. oh. He could go on touring. But is he going to be headlining? He can make about 30 to 100 thousand a show.

    But at the rate he is going now, his expenditures will eventually outweigh his income, thus his revenue wont continue to grow unless he has some stock or mutal funds cause niggas cant rap forever.

  39. Kheri Wes Says:

    and cone on chamillionarie, i from Chicago and twista is damn near a bum to us, but i know he got way more money than chmillionarie he been pushing little hood shit too if that is what you want to base it on, Adrenaline rush might have went platinum just in chicago that shit was a hood classic, you are out ya mind to even say anything about chamilionaire dude is fucking terrible

  40. Boosie Says:

    D.brown thats funny cause right now, I’m gearing up for my LSAT, ready to handle your court date appearances and make deals with the judge on your misdemeanors son.

  41. el_feces_loco Says:

    BOOSIE..DO YOU REALIZE THAT NIGGAZ GET MORE FOR SHOWS THAN ALBUMS?..THATS WHAT I TALK ABOUT WHEN I SAY FACE VALUE..RED AND METH COULD PROBABLY DO A JAPANESE/ASIAN ONE MONTH TOUR AND COME BACK HOME WITH A MIL…YOU ONLY SEEING SHIT ON FACE VALUE SON..STOP WATCHIN THEM VIDEOS, GRAB A BOOK ON “WORLD ECONOMICS” AND ONE ON “BECOMING OBJECTIVE”…JUST CAUSE IT AINT POPPIN IN YOUR HOOD..DONT MEAN IT AINT SIZZLIN IN THE NEXT HOOD….THERES PEOPLE MAKIN 100’S OF MILLIONS SELLING THEM STUPID LIL CANCER AND WAR WRISTBANDS FOR A DOLLAR…OPEN YOUR MIND UP AND TURN THE MUSIC DOWN YOUNG FELLA.

  42. DBrown11 Says:

    Boosie on some real talk good luck…..but you need to sharpen up on your hiphop knowledge

  43. the Landlord Says:

    Boosie says

    But E-40 has more money than cam overall

    ———————–
    …c’mon homes?!?..how would you know unless you have access to their banking records…we all have favorites, but random speculation about who has more money than who, is very naive…stop looking so hard at these mens pockets…unless you are a woman…

  44. Manolo AKA Plug industries Says:

    Kheri Wes Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
    and cone on chamillionarie, i from Chicago and twista is damn near a bum to us, but i know he got way more money than chmillionarie he been pushing little hood shit too if that is what you want to base it on, Adrenaline rush might have went platinum just in chicago that shit was a hood classic, you are out ya mind to even say anything about chamilionaire dude is fucking terrible
    ——
    tWIST AINT GOT AS MUCH MONEY AS CHAMILLIONARE. HE BEEN SELLIN ALBUMS OUT OF HIS TRUCK FOR TEN YEARS AND HAS SOLD OVER 500,000 COPYS FROMHIS TRUNK. TWISTA MAKES NO MONEY OFF OF ANY ALBUM BEACAUSE HE STILL OWES HIS FIRST LABLE

  45. Boosie Says:

    note to el feces,

    see the post I just stated above. I know niggas make more on touring, but think about the expenses they have to pay after that. They aren’t even putting up the money for the venue. Plus the record company still gets a major cut of that.

    Think about how much money is going to be wasted on doing those shows, and all the expensive items that will be spent and the money wasted on fucking hoes and shit. He lives a frivolous lifestyle and pretty soon his expenses will catch up to his revenue.

  46. DBrown11 Says:

    Boosie how do you know what kind of lifestyle people live?

  47. Jamz Says:

    Atleast Cam is doing his own thing! I will give him credit for that! With all of the cookie-cutter rap doe-does out here today, we need original dudes to step up! As long as Cam don’t bring back that pink fur coat shyt…we’ll be aiight???

  48. 456 Says:

    The mag might do something tho. there is a lot of niggas dreaming of being in business.

  49. el_feces_loco Says:

    *CLOSES NAHRIGHT FOR THE EVENING…*realizin* SOME KIDS JUST CANT BE HELPED…hopefully he ll figure it out on his own?..MAYBE?…maybe if he stops watchin videos?…I blame this on JAYZ..ever since he dissed the 4.0 range(sarcasm) these kids have gotten a warped sense of what real money is…suddenly 1mil is something to be laughed at by people who are broke in comparison, because they feel the need to compare your money to a hip hop “billionaire” i.e. 50, Jayz..*sigh*..what is enough money?..If Cam is broke..then Im destitute..I should go hang myself..How do I live with myself only making what I make?..WHAT A BUM I AM.

  50. Kheri Wes Says:

    Plug,

    didnt take into account the money he probably owed the first lable although i am pretty sure that was paid off as part of his deal that was what took him so long to get to the ROC, he could not move so unless he had to pay that back to the roc, it should be taken care of, and i will leave that chamillionare comment alone, cause to be honest i am ignorant to most of his music outside of his current album which i was forced to listen to *damn ipod battery*, but i find that hard to believe that he would have more than twista, plus if we account for shows, tiwsta does major shows and why he is not a head liner, he does a lot of them, and i cant even think the money would be close

  51. kween of kweens Says:

    ^^
    hey…..
    yea. i agree with ya’ll tho.
    gotta stop assumptions.

    ne wayz….killa season the movie did look like ti cost $300,000
    that movie was so……….wack…yet madd funny….??

  52. Boosie Says:

    D brown how do you figure I need to sharpen up my hip hop knowledge, just because we are talking about financial situations I need to sharpen up my knowledge?

    So cam lives a frugal lifestyle right, he saves his money, has stocks, invest, has mutal funds, annuites, bonds, has meaningful joint venture deals. The nigga is living ghetto fabulous. Mc hammer had all the money in the world, he is broke but now profiting off God.

    Name one rapper that is mad paid today that came out in early ninety’s?

  53. 456 Says:

    i know a lot of cats that fein for that kinda information. and in a easy to read format. DONDIVA without the criminals.

  54. el_feces_loco Says:

    He lives a frivolous lifestyle and pretty soon his expenses will catch up to his revenue.

    YOU WATCH TOO MANY VIDEOS..

  55. Boosie Says:

    I’m not basing what I see on video’s son.

    your boy cam is acting like he is crazy paid. He doesnt have 5 mil in the bank.

  56. Jamz Says:

    @Boosie – Will Smith.

  57. Boosie Says:

    Note: I dont watch videos

  58. DBrown11 Says:

    Boosie the banker

  59. Boosie Says:

    jamz- I was going to say any people beside will smith and LL, but we all know will has loot cause he made movies. That doesnt count.

    I’m just saying. Russell simmons needed to bring Suzie Orman in to help with hip hoppers because they dont know how to handle their financial situations, its hardly any rappers that are getting money like that, unless they do movies or something else. Rappers aren’t getting paid like their video’s claim to be. Its all a fallacy.

    There are many more broke rappers than ones with money.

  60. el_feces_loco Says:

    WOULDNT YOU CALL “MAKING YOUR OWN MOVIE THAT YOU KNOW WILL MAKE YOU 2 MIL OFF OF 3O0THOU..AN INVESTMENT?..NO?..SO IF I BUY 300 THOU WORTH OF GOOGLE STOCK AND IT MAKES ME 2 MILL WHAT IS THAT?

    THE DUDE..IS DOIN “HIS OWN”MOVIE…HE IS DOING “HIS OWN” ALBUM..”HIS OWN” SIZZURP..HE GOT A LINE OF FURS HE SAYS COMIN SOON…YOU LIKE TO SEE NIGGAS WITH THE WHITE MAN BEHIND THEM CAUSE THAT WAY “YOU” DEFINITELY KNOW THAT “HE GON GET PAID”…BUT ON THE OTHER HAND YOU SAY” MOST RAPPERS GETTIN JERKED”..ITS EITHER U GONNA LOVE WHAT THE NIGGA DOIN FOR HISSELF..OR YOU LOVE SEEIN NIGGAS SIGN TO CORPORATE LABELS AND GET RAPED..WHICH ONE IS IT?

  61. Kheri Wes Says:

    Jamz i agree, and i forgot about him, there is no question he has more money than any rapper outside of maybe Jay-Z, and for those that think its a game he grossed 50 million for MIB, and that was only one movie and is a producer on a series and has residual for both being a star/producer of fresh prince and makes like 25milllion a movie for most movies, damn!!!

  62. the Landlord Says:

    el_feces_loco Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
    He lives a frivolous lifestyle and pretty soon his expenses will catch up to his revenue.

    YOU WATCH TOO MANY VIDEOS..
    ——————-

    …and he/she be believing them shits too…boosie, turn off the tv and radio and read a book or two, youngun…you are far too gullable and impressionable…

  63. D. Billz Says:

    el_feces_loco Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
    He lives a frivolous lifestyle and pretty soon his expenses will catch up to his revenue.

    YOU WATCH TOO MANY VIDEOS..

    ^ What El is sayin’ is that Cam doesn’t really live the life that you see in videos, magazines, movies, etc. He more than likely rents a lot of his property therefore allowing him to save his money.

  64. 456 Says:

    @ Boosie.

    I think a lot of cats is afraid to talk about money in any real way. It takes too much thought and patience and we ain’t taught to manage it or think about it like that. Cam is a smart dude but I agree, his philosophy is off. That flashy Uptown mentality ain’t built to last.

  65. Boosie Says:

    But if you buy 300 thou worth of google stock, you would be making a WHOLE lot more money in return if you have it in there for 10 plus years. That killa season and album and movie, cam spent it on gas and furs alone. Cam should just focus on the stock market right now. He should buy tech stocks that are low right now, because pretty soon their going to make a big return. Now is the time to do it. Also with the upcoming hurricane season. Cam should focus his finances toward Loews and home depot. Those stocks are hot right now. I would advise cam to do that instead.

    I dont love niggas doing anything, but making money, but your boy is claiming that he is crazy crazy paid, which is not the case. But all in all he is still dealing with white folks on distribution.

    The money is in distribution and ownership. I onlyknow of one black distribution company, but niggas aren’t going over to them.

  66. 456 Says:

    D. Billz…that would be stupid to rent if you getting liquid like cam is gettin. that would be backward.

  67. Kheri Wes Says:

    D. Billz Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
    el_feces_loco Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
    He lives a frivolous lifestyle and pretty soon his expenses will catch up to his revenue.

    YOU WATCH TOO MANY VIDEOS..

    ^ What El is sayin’ is that Cam doesn’t really live the life that you see in videos, magazines, movies, etc. He more than likely rents a lot of his property therefore allowing him to save his money.

    D BillZ i think you were just making examples, but if cam is renting his properties, he really is a clown, best investment in the world own your own, except for cars, buy an Ato B car (own it) and lease anything else because its just a depreciating asset

  68. Boosie Says:

    But hold on How do you guys know the opposite? do you guys know cam’s every move.

    Was not killa season a portrayal of his life? That must have been fiction right?

    Didnt the nigga go take a check from the lawyer cash it and get a generic version of a lamborghini, and then he is still living in the hood, with his furs and his pink range. What assets does he have?

    That must have been fiction of how he lives his life in killa season right?

  69. D. Billz Says:

    456 Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
    D. Billz…that would be stupid to rent if you getting liquid like cam is gettin. that would be backward.

    ^ Depends. Because things like cars and jewelry depreciate value once they leave the store. Therefore, rentin’ a Lamb for $3K/mth. for a year and givin’ it back vs. payin’ 300,000 is a smarter move. Same with jewelry. It’s just a shame that more rappers don’t come forth and tell you that instead of leading our youth astray.

  70. Boosie Says:

    But all of cam’s liquid assets are depreciating value’s. His capital, and investments are not built for the long run.

  71. iLL Change Says:

    >> Name one rapper that is mad paid today that came out in early ninety’s?

    NaS
    Puffy (does he count as a rapper?)

  72. el_feces_loco Says:

    # el_feces_loco’s_wifey Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 1:04 pm

    SMH@SOME OFYOUS…STOP TAKIN SHIT ON FACE VALUE SO MUCH.
    REAL HUSTLING IS A SPRINT NOT A MARATHON….
    I SAID THAT TO SAY THIS.
    _____________________________________________________________
    A $10,000 DOLLAR BUDGET _____________________________________________________________
    $1,000 USED FOR FRONT MONEY FOR THE DICE GAME WHICH WILL THEN BE USED TO PAY THE STREET NIGGAS FOR APPEARANCES.
    1,000 TO PAY FOR PIFF HOES PURP ETC
    $8,000 TO BUY/PRINT/PRODUCE/BURN 20-50,000 DVD’S AND OR COVERS
    ____________________________________________________________
    SO THATS 20,OOO-50,000 DVDS AT 10 DOLLARS A WOP= $200,000-$500,000 *****TAX FREE***** FOR A 2NIGHTS AND 1 DAY WORTH OF WORK?…YALL AINT GONNA TELL ME THAT THERE AINT 20,000 DIP SET FANS FROM HERE TO FLORIDA TO CALI THAT WONT COP THIS SHIT?

    SOME OF YALL SPEND TOO MUCH TIME COUNTIN OTHER NEGGAS MONEY…LIFE IS A HUSTLE..GET ONE…OR BOTH.

    ^^^HAHA wifey was a lil off with her numbers but you see even she knew that Cam is a hustla..hustling is like hip hop..aint no retiring(no jayz)

  73. D. Billz Says:

    Kheri Wes Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
    D. Billz Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
    el_feces_loco Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
    He lives a frivolous lifestyle and pretty soon his expenses will catch up to his revenue.

    YOU WATCH TOO MANY VIDEOS..

    ^ What El is sayin’ is that Cam doesn’t really live the life that you see in videos, magazines, movies, etc. He more than likely rents a lot of his property therefore allowing him to save his money.

    D BillZ i think you were just making examples, but if cam is renting his properties, he really is a clown, best investment in the world own your own, except for cars, buy an Ato B car (own it) and lease anything else because its just a depreciating asset

    ^^ A lot of dudes rent those exotic cars and have just a “regular” luxury car that they own (i.e. Mercedes, Infiniti, Acura Hummer, etc). Shit, if it was me I’d be driving a fuckin’ Honda Accord. Or my own custom shit, on some Fast and the Furious type move, like a souped up Supra or somethin. I know that’s not the “cool” thing to do. That’s just my personal preference, all the while savin’ some loot.

  74. 456 Says:

    D.Billz: ‘He more than likely rents a lot of his property therefore allowing him to save his money.’
    ^
    i was talking about housing not floss.

  75. KonishiwaBitches Says:

    man cam is good money wise nigga ain’t no dumb ass….even juelz have a nice crib out in jersey them niggas is good

  76. Boosie Says:

    no puffy doesnt count, he just knew he could capitalize off rapping cause he started a whole new era, he made it capable so young joc, and lil webbie could rap.

    Nas I will give you that, But I’m not too sure if he is crazy paid. I’m not too fond of investments he made but I’m pretty sure he is smart with his money.

  77. 456 Says:

    best first move is some land. next is a mutual fund.

  78. Boosie Says:

    REAL HUSTLING IS A SPRINT NOT A MARATHON….

    This is what separates a nigga from a black dude.

    Niggas wanna have money right now, and call it hustle. A smart black dude, like russell simmons will wait a few years down the line so when he has his family and expenses get much larger, his return gets bigger, therefore he can sit back and relax.

    YOU HUSTLE NOW AND REST LATER…HUSTLING IS A MARATHON.

    Its better to be broke and young then to be old and broke. Cam’s method is not built to last for a lifetime. That is why there are so many broke rappers and ballers. Blacks are not taught about long money. Niggas wanna make short money and show it to everybody.

  79. eskay Says:

    Boosie Says:

    “So cam lives a frugal lifestyle right, he saves his money, has stocks, invest, has mutal funds, annuites, bonds, has meaningful joint venture deals. The nigga is living ghetto fabulous.”

    how do you know what his financial portfolio looks like? just the fact that he would start up a magazine like this should tell you something about his mentality when it comes to money. for real niggas need to stop making statements like “so and so is stupid with dough, or so and so has more money than so and so” like any of us have any idea what these niggas finances are like. shit Cam owns 3 Subway’s in Ohio, the nigga is smarter than you think.

  80. eskay Says:

    >>Cam’s method is not built to last for a lifetime.

    ^pleas explain “Cam’s method” to me and also how you know so much about it.

  81. the Landlord Says:

    …Boosie = EF Hutton…let him tell it…i just cant wait to hear Boosie’s multi-platinum release, while Camron collects food stamps and sleeps at the Rescue Mission….
    *TV is a helluva drug*

  82. Boosie Says:

    Yeah I know Eskay, and he probably co- owns the subways too, but he only owns three franchises which is like peanuts, so I suggest he save that money and put it into the bank.

    Plus I know about the Ohio shit, cause he constantly shouts out, youngstown, dayton, cleveland, toledo, cincinnati, and columbus. I lived there for a few years so I know he has work in Columbus especially and used to sell his weight, cause dudes and friends I know used to tell me.

    Magazines are usually owned by investors and so he is probably supplied the money and is the face of it, to get the mag to sell, but he is co-owning the mag, which tells me its pro dip set which I hope it will do good. But I dont think that Magazine last for 15 years.

  83. Dumb Nigga Says:

    >>Cam owns 3 Subway’s in Ohio

    Subways as in the restaurant?

  84. D. Billz Says:

    Dumb Nigga Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 5:01 pm
    >>Cam owns 3 Subway’s in Ohio

    Subways as in the restaurant?

    ^ You live up to your name like a true champion.

  85. Boosie Says:

    Eskay, so if you dont agree you obviously know more about cam than I do right?

  86. el_feces_loco Says:

    I know my bitch..she meant hustling is a marathon..not a sprint..nigga u know what she meant stop trynna take advantage of typos.

    *take a potshot at eskay* pot shot= say some shit you’d probably never say while sober..
    YO CAM IS EVEN BETTER THAN JAY Z IN A SENSE THAT JAY HASNT STARTED ANY BUSINESSES ON HIS OWN..EVERYTHING HE HAS IS CO/OWNED…NIGGA JAY DONT HAVE THAT DRIVE IT TAKES TO BUILD SOME SHIT FROM SCRATCH…EVERYTHING HAS BEEN HANDED TO HOVA…MY NIGGAS CAM/DAME ARE TRUE HUSTLERS…MOVIES, CLOTHES, LIQUOR…ALL THEY OWN SHIT.

  87. eskay Says:

    so you’re saying that rather than open a business (3 of them) your money would be better off in the bank collecting 4% interest (if your lucky)?

  88. Dumb Nigga Says:

    Hey D.Billz, thanks for the compliment.

  89. the Landlord Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
    Eskay, so if you dont agree you obviously know more about cam than I do right?
    ——————
    ….apparrantly….

  90. eskay Says:

    well that question sounds loaded so no, I don’t think I know more about Cam, but I think you sound ridiculous speaking on that man’s financial situation when you’re basing your opinion on what you see in videos.

  91. D. Billz Says:

    Dumb Nigga… No problem.

  92. eskay Says:

    >>Magazines are usually owned by investors and so he is probably supplied the money and is the face of it, to get the mag to sell, but he is co-owning the mag, which tells me its pro dip set which I hope it will do good. But I dont think that Magazine last for 15 years.

    ^ that’s another assumption. you assumed that someone put up the dough for the mag and Cam is getting a little piece of the returns. in fact, he said that it only cost him 20,000 to start that magazine and he owns it outright.

  93. Boosie Says:

    I doubt he opened them bitches cause there aren’t many subways floating around in Ohio. They dont usually build subways, subways are usually those small places little stores that are connected by a strip, and usually subways only have limited places to eat. So either subway was probably already running and he put money up. Or he took out cleared out the little strip that wasnt running anymore and put up a subway.

    But subway’s are cheap to own and shit, subway can be placed anywhere, there is not set building or structure for a subway.

    I’m saying cam should put his money in the bank from subway eskay. There are stocks, mutal funds and other shit that can make him a whole lot of money.

  94. Boosie Says:

    ^ that’s another assumption. you assumed that someone put up the dough for the mag and Cam is getting a little piece of the returns. in fact, he said that it only cost him 20,000 to start that magazine and he owns it outright.

    Okay Eskay, when his magazine gets bigger and bigger which I hope it does, does he have enough to pay for all the expenses that goes into it. Eventually, he is going to have to get an investor, unless he wants it to run on a low budget.

  95. el_feces_loco Says:

    LOL BILLZ AND DUMB..MAN I WONDER WHO GON BE THE NEXT CONTESTANT ON THE NAHRIGHT SCREEN?..I DONT NEED ANOTHER JAYZ/CAM/KANYE..THIS SITE NEEDS, MULATTO MONDAYS, TNA TUESDAYS OR WHITE WOMAN WEDNESDAYS..OR TURTLENECK THURSDAYS…I REALIZE THIS IS A HIP HOP PRO JAY Z BLOG(im fine with that) ..I JUST WISH THERE WAS SOME FEMALES TO TALK HIP HOP WITH? CHICKS BE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT GOSSIP THO…LIKE..I NEED THE PERFECT BLEND OF CONCLOOP AND NAHRIGHT…ESKAY NEED SOME PRO ACTIVE..TO PRESERVE NAHRIGHTS SEXY.

  96. el_feces_loco Says:

    I THINK BOOSIE WOULD BE HAPPY IF CAM WAS MORE LIKE MEMPH BLEEK.

  97. D. Billz Says:

    We look crazy in here arguing about another dude’s money because it’s not what hip hop is really about anyway. Let the clown collect his checks and K.I.M. These mothafuckas aint buckin’ the system or doing shit for Blacks on a larger scale, so fuck ’em. Niggas ready to invest in dumb shit like liqour, clothes, etc. And even though I’m a Jay-Z fan and appreciate his music, fuck him too. And fuck Dame too, while I’m at it. Niggas perpetuate gang membership and think it’s gravy. Ok, so he go to the hood and help a few hundred kids play ball or eat a meal. But that doesn’t make up for the few hundred thousand minds that they ruin with the fictitious lifestyles that is displayed through tv, radio, and their cds. I know I’m ranting right now but this is just how I feel at the moment. Should I do more to help my people? Yup. And I make a conscience effort on a daily basis. But I just get sick of niggas gettin’ rich off of exploitation. Especially when it’s their own people because we hurt in the long run.

    *B More Nubian*

  98. Dumb Nigga Says:

    Actually there are a quite a bit of Subways where i’m at. But i don’t think that Cam owns any of them where i’m at though.

  99. Boosie Says:

    LOL,

    DOnt really care about memph bleek. This nigga obviously doesnt have no dough, he probably getting like 3 cents on every album sold like da band. He’ll be broke in 10 years.

    But since jay got em, maybe not.

  100. D. Billz Says:

    “ESKAY NEED SOME PRO ACTIVE..TO PRESERVE NAHRIGHTS SEXY.”

    ^ LOL! When Bluff said that, it further solidified his clownness.

  101. Doc Flav Says:

    90s rappers still getting money, E40 Ice Cube, LL Cool J, UGK, Dr Dre, Nas, Roxanne Shante, Fresh Prince, Rakim, Kwame, DOC, Snoop Dogg… the list goes on, this is on the strength that these individuals have diversified thier talents. Sh-t Big Daddy Kane, Wutang, and other acts can go oversees and make hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    It amazes me how some of you think that platinum sales come overnight and that a gold selling artist might not get money, its all about the type of deal you got, and Cam is a dealmaker hate it or not, he learned from Lance Undea Rivera, Dame Dash and others on the art of making a deal.

  102. Engineer Says:

    I have to ask….Who gives a FUCK how much Cam is making? Is any of that money going into any one of our pockets? Cam is basically telling us, He still got more than 20,000 in sales to go before he can even recoup. Anything after that is when he starts getting paid. To date, since the release on 5/9/06, he’s sold 176,733 that means he needs to sell 23,267 more copies to recoup. His fan base is basically NY (Harlem to be exact) and we all know that niggaz don’t buy nothing but bootlegs out there. so what are the odds that Cam is gonna make any money on his record. Maybe from shows….This clown is done…..Does Cam think that spitting out those numbers is going to impress someone? Does he thinkn we are all stupid? Do the math….ain’t no money in the Cam Franchise……..FUCK CAM……I would say that if he would just shut the fuck up……But since he won’t, FUCK HIM!!!!

  103. the Landlord Says:

    elfecesloco says:

    TO PRESERVE NAHRIGHTS SEXY.

    ———
    …lmfao…i hate it when Diddy says that…that is the alltime worst infomercial….lol…

  104. GET Says:

    Cam does not make no damn $8.40 per record, don’t believe that shit.

  105. eskay Says:

    >>I doubt he opened them bitches cause there aren’t many subways floating around in Ohio.

    oh ok, since you never saw one, there must not be any. my mistake.

    >>Okay Eskay, when his magazine gets bigger and bigger which I hope it does, does he have enough to pay for all the expenses that goes into it.

    a magzine is one of the cheapest businesses to run and if it does well you can have a huge return on your investment. it takes very little to publish a magazine, all you need is a laptop with Adobe Photoshop and a desktop publishing application. this particular magazine was probably even cheaper to setup because it’s a joint venture with Julia Beverly who already runs a magazine and has access to everything they need. add on the price of the content which can’t be much because Julia did 75% of the interviews herself and writers don’t get paid a whole lot anyway (trust me I know). I’d say that they probably spent the most money on the actual printing and I doubt that’s a huge expense.

  106. D. Billz Says:

    the Landlord Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
    elfecesloco says:

    TO PRESERVE NAHRIGHTS SEXY.

    ———
    …lmfao…i hate it when Diddy says that…that is the alltime worst infomercial….lol…

    ^ Yeah, I bet Vanessa was probably thinkin, “is this nigga readin’ from a script? did he just say what I think he said?” I wonder if smashed Vanessa though. Hmmmm…

  107. D. Billz Says:

    Correction* I wonder if he…

  108. Jamz Says:

    First off, the definition of rich or got money is undefined in this debate! Everybody doesn’t need 200 billion dollars to be rich! It’s all about what lifestyle you live. Just because one man has more than another doesn’t make one rich and the other poor! Debating over this type of stuff is silly! There is so may ways to spin this topic.

    @Boosie – why wouldn’t you count a Will Smith or LL Cool J in this debate? They both started out as rappers in the beginning, and were able to turn their images from rap into movie and TV show deals! Getting rich is about making opportunities for yourself, which makes you more money! Rap is not a get rich type of career, but it’s an avenue to do so if you choose!

  109. el_feces_loco Says:

    LOL AT THE HIPOCRISY OF ENGINEER..TELLIN US NOT TO WORRY ABOUT SALES….THEN SPITTIN OUT SALES FIGURES..AT THE END OF THE DAY THO ITS WHAT BILLZ SAID..FUCK EM ALLY MUSIC….THEY DONT DO SHIT BUT RAP..ITS ONLY MUSIC..BUT BECAUSE WE SO FUCKED U P AS A PEOPLE ..WE LIVE THRU IT LIKE ITS GOSPEL..OR ITS GONNA GIVE US SALVATION, ..ITS JUST MUSIC..I HAVE MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS AND STANNESS..BUT AT THEEND OF TEH DAY I CAN SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS..SERIOUSLY IM OUT THIS MOFUKKA NOW..TIME TO SHMOKE..YO LANDLORD…PWAHAHA @ PUFF WHEN HE SAY THAT SHIT..IMMA SMOKE SOME WEED ..PRESERVE MY SEXY..YALL HOLD IT DOWN TILL TOMORROW..OR TONITE..

  110. iLL Change Says:

    Come Home With Me is still Cam’s best album. actually, thats probably on my top 25, real talk.

  111. Kheri Wes Says:

    Damn Billz,

    that one came out of left field, but i feel you, but jay said it better if it was up to me i would be rhyming like common sense, but i sold 5 mil i aint been rhyming like common sense. i f your sense has that much in common go with what makes sense, and while this is probably the problem with how mainstream people think, if you are in it for the money do what makes sense, so while i value com/ talib/ mos/ roots music more, jay is being very realistic, and its probably the reason at def jam he is puttign out what we view as crap, becasue he is an executive and the Board of directors are looking at that bottom line, “go with what makes sense.” If you are a rapper and you are in it to profit it may be the correct thing to do, it just goes back to people needing better role models, i.e. parents to decipher the real from the fake.

  112. iceberg slim Says:

    can anyone explain to me to why dipset and cam refuses to say anything to tru life…..

  113. 456 Says:

    Money is manhood. That’s why niggas get so emotional over it.

  114. Boosie Says:

    but Doc flav

    E-40 – getting money cause he got a strong base in the bay

    LL-movies

    Cube- directing and producing movies

    Dr. Dre- producing platinum and diamond albums

    ugk- not really making money like that, they got loot though

    snoop- movies and world wide touring, plus image branding

    rakim- some of samples and cut checks, but not crazy paid.

    fresh prince- movies

    This just proves rapping is not the way to go. If you rap, you dont have a secure sustained income for more than 15years. Rap now, own in the near future. Rap has no career.

  115. Doc Flav Says:

    Consider the fact that most of these artists aint working 9 to 5 jobs, Bleek included, many of these folk can sit around doing nothing for the rest of thier lives living the typical middle to upper class lifestlye off of interest payments, stock portfolios, real estate or royalties (Looking for a Perfect Beat sample is paying somebody over 20 years later.

  116. eskay Says:

    >>Cam does not make no damn $8.40 per record, don’t believe that shit.

    and we should believe you why? cuz your a skeptical commenter on a blog? I kinda find it hard to believe that anybody would make that much off an album, and everybody screams bullshit whenever somebody says it, but I have yet to see anybody prove those people to be lying.

  117. iceberg slim Says:

    maybe because I don’t live in the tri state…….I just see dipset refusing to say tru life name……I never hear jim jones talking reckless about him

  118. 456 Says:

    @Boosie: Ice Cube, Queen Latifah.

  119. the Landlord Says:

    …90’s Rapper still getting money…the RZA, Fat Joe, Busta Rhymes, Tupac (even if he cant spend it)…

  120. Boosie Says:

    456,

    movies and movies

  121. el_feces_loco Says:

    YO ESKAY LETS START OUR OWN MAGAZINE YO…FUCK THIS..WE CAN CALL IT A “BLOGAZINE”…”NAW RIGHT BLOGAZINE”…SET IT UP IN BLOG FORMAT BUT IN PRINT FORM..WE WITH YOUR CONNECTIONS AND MY ABILITY TO COUNT MONEY ..WE COULD GET PAID YO.

  122. eskay Says:

    >>Rap now, own in the near future. Rap has no career.

    so basically you’re saying do what Cam is advocating, but for whatever reason you don’t believe he’s really doing what he says or you think it’s not enough?

  123. Dumb Nigga Says:

    >>MY ABILITY TO COUNT MONEY

    Lmao!

  124. eskay Says:

    I’m about to make this shit into a magazine fo’ real…keep sleeping on the kid…

  125. iLL Change Says:

    Tru Life & NaS better come correct (no homo) and drop albums soon. both of those cd’s are gonna sell, but if Tru goes on a click-bashing campaign before his shit drop, he’s not gonna do as well. Dipset is established and and young cats like their muzik

  126. Jamz Says:

    @Eskay – Nobody every proves anything on the internet! It’s just a bunch of opinions, lies and BS! That’s why people love these type of sites because they can talk shyt all day to a bunch of faceless people when nobody in their real life will listen!

  127. Boosie Says:

    eskay,

    what does cam advocate? buy furs, by a cheap lambo get rich quick? hustle on the block and you could make it too.

    My whole point was that Cam is not crazy crazy paid like how he says he is. All this shit is an effort to show how much money he has. Eve has more than him of 3 shows which were canceled.

    Like jae millz said “you should stick to ball my nigga”

  128. el_feces_loco Says:

    IM NOT SLEEPIN MY DUDE..IM DEAD AZZ…ILL CARRY YOUR WEED FOR THE 1ST FEW ISSUES..TILL I GET PROMOTED TO GUN CARRIER..THEN EVENTUALLY ILL BE CARRYING MRS. ESKAYS PURSE..IT DONT GET NO BETTER THAN THAT…SERIOUSLY THO…I THINK THAT SHOULD BE “OUR” NEXT POWER MOVE YO…”WE” CANT KEEP SELLIN CRACK TO THESE NIGGAZ FOR FREE..THEY GOTTA AT LEAST BUY SOME CRACK PIPES OR LIGHTERS FROM US.

  129. Ricky D Says:

    You people questioning Cam’s numbers are crazy. With 1.5 – 2 mil a year you can buy a Lambo, and a pink fur coat, and a lot of little businesses, and still have a lot of cash left over. You’re thinking like that 1 million is a lump sum… no, that’s a year’s salary, he made a bunch of money last year and will make a bunch more next year. When you get even a decent amount of money every year, say, six figures, it starts to stack… you have to work to blow through all that money, on some MC Hammer shit, which is to say you have to really WORK to spend it badly after a point. Ask some of those Southern rappers who never blew up but still have $$$ from regional success. Which 90s rappers still have dough? The ones with independent projects, and the ones who did movies, because the labels were jerking rappers back then, you got a lot more fame than money. Now the smart money is on having more money than fame. Talk to Z-Ro.

  130. eskay Says:

    >>what does cam advocate?

    with this magazine he’s advocating becoming an entrepreneur and taking control of your finacial situation.

    >>My whole point was that Cam is not crazy crazy paid like how he says he is.

    prove it.

  131. Doc Flav Says:

    What people dont seem to remember is the E40 had one of the if not the first million dollar independent label deal with Jive in like 92-93. E-40 has franchises to Fatburger, owns property, had a club so large he had to shut it down because of popo stressing, smart dudes know how to work they bread. E40 fan base also expands far beyond the bay believe that.

    You asked what rappers from the early 90s are still getting gwap, these folk still do rap for the most part and even if thier records dont sell multiplat, they know how to set up the deal, Cube joint was released independent, so if he sold gold he will definitely pocket more than your typical rapper.

  132. Dumb Nigga Says:

    >>ILL CARRY YOUR WEED FOR THE 1ST FEW ISSUES..

    Lmao! You’re gonna be a weed carrier!

  133. 456 Says:

    those xxl bastids.

  134. iceberg slim Says:

    I posted this in another blog but ib will post it again…..since cam feels money is the measuring stick, until he cracks this list he is irrelevant……thiis is real money…not hood rich…

    June 12th, 2006 at 2:10 pm
    I hate to put a post this long but.notice jayz is higher than shaq and will smith…the only sports figure that’s higher is tiger woods by ten mil………sorry dame dash and camdum did not make the list
    Who are the richest of the young rich in the USA?
    1 Michael Dell … 39
    … Chairman/Founder Dell Computer … $17.95 billion
    2 Pierre Omidyar … 37
    … Chairman/Founder eBay … $10.05 billion
    3 Jeff Skoll … 39
    … Chairman/Founder Skoll Foundation … $4.69 billion
    4 Larry Page … 31
    … President, Products/Co-Founder Google … $4.19 billion
    5 Sergey Brin … 31
    … President, Technology/Co-Founder Google … $4.17 billion
    6 Jerry Yang … 35
    … Chief Yahoo/Co-Founder Yahoo … $2.81 billion
    7 David Filo … 38
    … Chief Yahoo/Co-Founder Yahoo … $2.57 billion
    8 Ken Griffin … 35
    … President/Founder Citadel Investment Group $1 billion
    9 Dan Snyder … 39
    … Chairman/Principal Owner Washington Redskins … $823 million
    10 Marc Benioff … 39
    … Chairman/CEO Salesforce.com … $376 million
    11 Jeffrey Citron … 34
    … Chairman/CEO/Co-Founder Vonage … $346 million
    12 Elon Musk … 33
    … CEO/Founder/CTO Space Exploration Technologies … $328 million
    13 Sean Combs (P. Diddy) … 34
    … Chairman/CEO/Founder Bad Boy Entertainment … $315 million
    14 Tiger Woods … 28
    … Golfer … $295 million
    15 Halsey Minor … 39 … Chairman/CEO/Founder
    … Grand Central Communications … $286.1 million
    16 Shawn Carter (Jay-Z) … 34
    … Co-Founder Roc-a-Fella Enterprises … $286 million
    17 Jerry Greenberg … 38
    … Co-Chairman/Co-CEO/Co-Founder Sapient … $278 million
    18 Raul Fernandez … 38
    … Chairman/CEO ObjectVideo … $263 million
    19 Jennifer Lopez … 35
    … Actress/Singer/Co-Owner Sweetface Fashion … $255 million
    20 Marc Andreessen … 33
    … Chairman/Co-Founder Opsware … $253 million
    21 Joe Liemandt … 36
    … President/CEO/Founder Trilogy … $234 million
    22 Shaquille O’Neal … 32
    … Basketball Player Miami Heat … $222 million
    23 Michael Robertson … 37
    … CEO/Founder Linspire … $220 million
    24 Marc Ewing … 35
    … Publisher Alpinist magazine … $217 million
    25 Julia Roberts … 36
    … Actress … $212 million
    26 Will Smith … 35
    … Actor/Rapper … $188 million
    27 Andre Agassi … 34
    … Tennis Player … $162 million
    28 Jared Polis … 29 … Chairman/Member
    … at Large Colorado State Board of Education … $160 million
    29 Jeff Gordon … 33
    … NASCAR Racer … $155 million
    30 Sudhakar R

  135. eskay Says:

    el_feces, now you know that when I’m recruiting if your resume doesn’t say ‘Jay Stan’ somewhere it’s going in the circular file.

  136. reachnyc.com Says:

    Yea Esk..u got the foundation to start a mag…just have to find the distinguishing factor… I founded Music2g.com …which became B.R.I.D.G.E.Z. Magazine…yea yea yea who gives a fuck blah blah…i was on a hiatus!…hi haterz!

    Im coming back on a fucking horse!!! end quote…

    oh and if ur bored..check out the spider-man 3 video at http://www.reachnyc.com, caught while they were filming the movie in manhattan.

    P.S…..If Ur Broke..Vote democrat! Camz doin his thug thizzle…yall fools just to stupid to know. and he is getting $8.40 an album at asylum..why? because asylum is just like koch! asylum was formed by atlantic (i believe?) in order to compete for koch, so theyre more of a distribution/marketing machine.

  137. Doc Flav Says:

    Ricky D Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 5:34 pm

    Oh yeah I also forgot Slick Rick and dude was locked up most of the 90s.

  138. Ricky D Says:

    Here’s someone who found a good way to use his fame to get some more $$$ after his singing days were over.

    http://www.thedevoeteam.com/

  139. nBmore Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
    My whole point was that Cam is not crazy crazy paid like how he says he is. All this shit is an effort to show how much money he has. Eve has more than him of 3 shows which were canceled.

    U sound like a HATER!!!!
    What are u child support u wanna see check stubs.
    PAID=when u can buy what u want anytime anyplace
    There is no dollar amount on being comfortable.
    Cam has expensive cars/house & biznesses
    What are you looking for?
    what is your point……..

  140. eskay Says:

    >>I founded Music2g.com …which became B.R.I.D.G.E.Z. Magazine…

    I was just reading about that mag the other day

  141. 456 Says:

    final word: respect cam’s intelligence. the mag could work both ways – information and propaganda. which clearly he working already. it’s an ill move. maybe the chess game ain’t really over.

  142. Boosie Says:

    eskay,

    how much is crazy crazy paid to you?

    he’s flossing like he’s got 10 million to waste. Can he afford a G4? well maybe laptops but can he afford to fly in a G4?

    Let’s say he makes no more than about 3-4 mill this year. Thats Max.
    He’ll probably buy a few new cars, some 100,000 plus furs probably more than 3. He gots to support his boys. His weed habit. His hoes. miscellaneous expenses. jewlery

    With all that teaching the youth to be fresh and have different colored cars he is well on his way to getting paid. He wasnt too bad in Paid in full, so he should stick to movies. He’ll make more money.

  143. Jamz Says:

    Iceberg – U just showing the top of the food chain playa! There are still plenty of rich bastards that are not showing! Once you get the cars, houses, boats, clothes, jewelry, women, etc. what the hell is left?? It don’t take no 100 million to that either.

  144. Jamz Says:

    This is funny listening to a buncha “entrapo-ni66as” talking about what rich is!! Amazing!

  145. Bugsytheboss Says:

    Camran is over there flipping pennys compared to Jay.The nigga is struggling in the million dollar bracket let along multi million status.I mean for hood standards Cam is doing his thing but when you up against Jigga everything he do gonna look small scale.

  146. Boosie Says:

    Nbmore,

    you quote jeezy and lil flip lyrics, so what intelligence can you offer? plus I know that you are just a young dude, cause cam cannot buy anything he wants at any time. Where is his real estate? What property value does he have. Does he have any liquid assets thats not a depreciating value?

  147. el_feces_loco Says:

    COME ON ES..YOU KNOW IM A REASONABLE DOUBT STAN..THATS MY HIP HOP FAVE ALBUM OF ALL TIMES..AFTER THAT THO?..DAMN WHAT IF I PRE ROLLED YOUR WEED FOR YOU SO IN ACTUALITY I WOULDNT BE A WEED CARRIER BUT MORE OF A BLUNT MANAGER?..2 SIZEZ LIKE NEWPORT?..SHORT BLUNTS AND 100’S?…*includes portfolio of past blunts he has rolled*..*..includes the pic of the superblunt he rolled when he found out nahright was gonna be down for 3 days*

    @ICEBERG…DO YOU THINK YOU ARE RICHER THAN CAM?..IF YOU SAY YES I WILL SAY NO MORE..

  148. eskay Says:

    >>eskay,

    how much is crazy crazy paid to you?

    ^I think you should ask yourself that question. I don’t think anybody thinks that Cam is doing Jay-Z numbers, but I’d say he’s probably doing pretty good for himself.

    >>he’s flossing like he’s got 10 million to waste.

    is he really? and how do you know he doesn’t?

    >>He gots to support his boys. His weed habit. His hoes. miscellaneous expenses. jewlery

    ok, well weed, hoes, jewlery are inconsequential. that money is throwaway money. and support his boys? if there’s one thing Cam does it’s help his peoples eat. look at where Jimmy and Juelz were 5 years ago and look at them today.

    my point is none of us know how much money Cam is seeing, niggas are just hating on him cuz of all the other clown shit he does. well he may be a clown, but the nigga has business sense. when he was on the radio talking about this mag and his other ventures, I couldn’t believe my ears, I was like wow this nigga really sounds like he got his head on his shoulders.

  149. iceberg slim Says:

    is anybody really paying attention to cam…….an album is on sell for 9 dollars to 13…….u mean to tell me of that he makes 8.50……that leaves 1 dollar to 4 dollars to be split between the distribution company…the record company….and record stores……he makes nine dollars and they split four……negro please…….if u believe that I got soe swamp land in florida for sell

  150. Engineer Says:

    el_feces_loco Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 5:23 pm
    LOL AT THE HIPOCRISY OF ENGINEER..

    look, el feces, which basically means “The Crap” misunderstood my blog…read it again….I was throwing what Cam said back at him……get it? I still say who gives a fuck about what he makes….but for all you dumb people who get excited with numbers…I broke it down thus proving my point that Cam needs to shut up……understand?

  151. D. Billz Says:

    I hate money right now. Yeah, you read that right. I… HATE… MONEY. Not because it’s not attainable. But because the corporate infrastructure (whites) worship it and the hip hop community does nothing but follow suit (blacks). That’s one of the reasons I was so mad that I didn’t get to make it to dead prez’s movie screening at the Apollo. I really wanted to show my support. Most of these rappers got to where they are because they had to harm one of their own to eventually get to the top. Yeah, I respect the fact that niggas took their dirty money and invested in joint ventures and record labels. But what people fail to understand is that the dirty money came from crack sales. Meaning people gettin’ killed, somebody’s uncle/aunt gettin’ high while robbin’ and stealin’, and a neighborhood left in dire straits with run-down homes and business shuttin’ down. And even though no rapper/MC/Black person is perfect (i.e. Common had a drinkin’ problem, Mos Def got like 6 kids by different women, etc.), at least there’s a few that make a conscience effort to show our youth a better all while creating good music (most of the time). I don’t wanna come off like I’m a super-activist in training or some pseudo, Neo-soul dude who light inscents and walk around with his shoes off all day. But all this money being made and OUR economy (Blacks) as a whole isn’t gettin’ any better. Blacks spent more money than another ethnic group in 2004, yet look at the predominately Black neighborhoods. None of it is a reflection of the money that was spent by those same consumers. It’s like niggas never heard or read up on the REAL Black Wall Street (not Game’s record label) and understood what enterprising was really about. Yeah, so we got a few businesses in the hood, but most of them shits aren’t condusive to the environment. Instead opening up wack ass restaurants, why not a chain of health food stores? Or some fruit smoothie stands (the one on 125th is great)? Or how about donating some new books, supplies, etc. to the local high schools? I hate to go all Martin Luther Shabazz on yall, but I’m just a concerned individual.

  152. eskay Says:

    >>.if u believe that I got soe swamp land in florida for sell

    prove him wrong though. I mean he’s saying that in a magazine where the CEO and VP of marketing for Koch were also interviewed. I’m not saying it’s the truth, but where’s the proof that it isn’t?

  153. nBmore Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
    Nbmore,

    you quote jeezy and lil flip lyrics, so what intelligence can you offer? plus I know that you are just a young dude, cause cam cannot buy anything he wants at any time. Where is his real estate? What property value does he have. Does he have any liquid assets thats not a depreciating value?

    WHO ARE YOU COMPARING CAM 2 CUS U SOUND STUPID:
    1. REGULAR BROTHA 9-5
    2. JZ (WHO I KNOW U ARE)
    3. DOCTOR
    4. NBA PLAYER
    5. POLITICIAN
    6. OTHER RAPPERS

    you quote jeezy and lil flip lyrics, so what intelligence can you offer?

    (Since I dont follow the so-called tru MC’s my intelligence is meaninless)
    Thats funnny!!!!!!!! ha ha
    I dont take this rap sh..t serious like some of yall clown n..az!!!

  154. iceberg slim Says:

    and u know when a big company like best buy circuit city target or not paying more than 8 dollars a cd

  155. el_feces_loco Says:

    LOL THIS NIGGA SAID 100 000 DOLLAR FURS…HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK FURS COST?..SEE WHAT I MEAN BY YOU WATCH TOO MUCH TV?..THE MOST EXPENSIVE FUR I SAW WAS A CHINCHILLA TRUMP HAD MADE FOR IVANA FOR LIKE 50 GRAND…AND THATS AT THE TOP END..

    YOU LISTENIN TO KILLA SAY SOME DUMB SHIT LIKE “100 THOU FOR THE FURS/YES MOMMIS A BIRD/I PUT CRACK IN HERS/YOU CAN SAY I BE CRACKIN DEM FURS” ….AND THINK FURS COST 100 THOU..MY NIGGA..GO GET A BOOK.

  156. Boosie Says:

    Eskay,

    I can put my life on it, that Camron doesnt have 10 million to waste. Dont get me wrong he is making money, but iceberg is right, his formula for success is not sustainable.

    I would say juelz is better, but until I see niggas really investing and getting real money and not studio money I wont have nothing to say.

    Plus jimmy has a salaried position, cam is mostly making money off commission, which again is unsustainable for 15 or more years. His Vp role was relenquished, so I guess the only fixed money he is getting is weight and subway which is not bad, He’ll be able to get a nice home and some cars off that revenue.

  157. D. Billz Says:

    My point is, if more money stayed in the hood Blacks would be one step closer to freedom. Because freedom aint free.

  158. eskay Says:

    well I could be wrong, but as I understand it, retailers purchase those cd’s upfront and then set their own pricing. if the cd’s don’t sell, they go back to the label. that could explain why the pricing varies. again, I could be completely wrong, but I know it’s not as cut and dry as Best Buy sells it for 9.99 and sends Cam 8 bucks.

  159. eskay Says:

    >>his formula for success is not sustainable.

    ok, so lets see:

    owning fast food franchises
    owning liquor stores
    owning a liquor brand
    owning a record label
    owning a clothing line

    and what ever else he does to get dough. that’s not sustainable income? please explain to me what else he can do that would satisfy you.

  160. Boosie Says:

    El feces,

    obviously you dont know high end fashion and what people are willing to pay for furs. So basically you are incriminating your favorite rapper by telling us that he lies about how much he pays for the fur.

    Oh and really really rich people pay for 100,000 dollar furs dog. They pay over that. You just dont know it cause you dont live that lifestyle b. But those who own them look at cams money and shit on themselves.

  161. nBmore Says:

    ok, so lets see:

    owning fast food franchises
    owning liquor stores
    owning a liquor brand
    owning a record label
    owning a clothing line

    Sound like a successful blackman
    WHY HATE!!!!!!
    WHY LOOK FOR HIS DOWNFALL

  162. eskay Says:

    oh and owning a magazine that is meant to spread that entrepreneurial spirit and knowledge around. TO THE HOOD.

  163. Jamz Says:

    D. Billz – I feel you, bu the answers aren’t just in books! The real problem is that over 50 percent of black community is illiterate, which is sad! If you can’t read a book isn’t any good! The so called rich hood kats need to put some of the Bentley money back into the neighborhood school system!

  164. nBmore Says:

    DONT 4GET THE CHILD PREDATOR DVD HE GOT COMING
    HA HA!!!

  165. reachnyc.com Says:

    Ive been a cam fan since day one..dont get it twisted…the dude is as street and hood as they come…and he still is to this day, thats one reason why i applaud him…other rappers have had change of heart….or went to the lord…but dude still has the same ignorant principles he had when confessions of fire dropped…am i the only one that finds that amazing? not that its good..but just amazing..

    and what we call arrogance or stupidity…is really more of a defense mode…You can’t be no punk in the industry, always have to have the one up..how you think he gets such good deals.. who’s going to take u serious if u act like its all good down at the hit factory?

    if it werent for the rucker tape..cam’s record wouldve been clean..dude’s underated cuz of his arrogance..but then we applaud jay for the same thing? (im from brooklyn by the way) … If 99% of u nahright heads were to see jay-z in person and try 2 communicate with him…i GUARANTEE you, you would never buy another jay-z album again. Like seriously… Jay-z is top rapper…most money…but he’s feminine…he dont pop pop off..never did …never will… i hate lecturing cuz most of you 5%’ers will never understand (5% smart, 95% dumb) …

    P.S. Young Joc’s album is a weed plate…i use that shit to crush my finest kush…seriously..im not a rapper so i aint got nothing to lose…fuck the south…if i aint in the club wit a drink in my hand, bogy in my ear and a L in my mouth, fuck the south, minus T.I. david banner, trick daddy, outkast (sometimes) , and a select…select few more.

  166. el_feces_loco Says:

    BOOSIE..WHY WOULD CAM OPEN 3 $10, 000 DOLLAR SUBWAY STORES, AND GO BUY 3 100, 000 DOLLAR FURS?..NIGGA ARE YOU READING WHAT YOUR TYPING?..YOU LISTEN TO HIS RAPS AND THINK HE ‘S DUMB OR HE’S AND IDIOT HE RYMES LIKE A KID…BUT AFTER THE DUST SETTLES HE WILL STILL BE HERE..NICCAS SAID HIS MARKETIN STRATEGY WAS WACK(ATTACKIN HOV)..OK SO WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER? WHAT COULD HE HAVE DONE BETTER?..DOG HE KEPT US BLOGGIN ABOUT HIM FOR LIKE 3 MONTHS BEFORE THE ALBUM AND AFTER..WE BLOGGIN NOW..WHY?..CAUSE THE NIGGA IS SMART..GHOST FACE GOT A BETTER ALBUM AND A BETTER SINGLE OUT BUT CAM STILL ON NIGGAS MINDS..WHY?..CAUSE HE KNOW WHAT THE FUCK HE S DOIN.. THATS WHY.

  167. Shanti Says:

    I don’t understand why everyone cares so much about how much money Cam is making.

  168. Boosie Says:

    fast food chain- 3 wack subways in Ohio, not even in a single building

    liquor stores- dont usually last long- very little revenue. Probably gets shot up.

    liquor brand- wont sell, every rap nigga is doing that now. Hop off the band wagon

    record label- anyone can own a record label, most likely set up with a bigger company where he gets half or 10 percent of the profits.

    clothing line- Will you be rocking dip set gear? You like Easter bunny bandanas, pink watches?

    This equals – Cam broke at 45 yrs old.

  169. nBmore Says:

    Jamz Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
    D. Billz – I feel you, bu the answers aren’t just in books! The real problem is that over 50 percent of black community is illiterate, which is sad! If you can’t read a book isn’t any good! The so called rich hood kats need to put some of the Bentley money back into the neighborhood school system!

    How bout hold the parents accountable & the school system
    Alot of successful people came out those hoodz without RICHKATZ.
    There are more successful doctors/lawyers & teachers then rappers.

  170. Jamz Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:03 pm
    oh and owning a magazine that is meant to spread that entrepreneurial spirit and knowledge around. TO THE HOOD.

    Eskay – Let’s not get it twisted though….Cam is tryin to make money with this magazine! There are plenty of ways to get a message to the hood!

  171. nBmore Says:

    Shanti Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
    I don’t understand why everyone cares so much about how much money Cam is making.

    WORSE THEN BITCHES. COUNTING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY…

  172. Boosie Says:

    so el,

    you basically saying Cam is fake? WHy quote it if you aint got it?
    How many furs you think he got? lets say they are at most 50,00 now would you say he only has one pink one or a few with pink and blue bunnies. I would guess he has 3-5 of them. so that would be 150- 250 thou. What are your thoughts?

  173. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    YO D.BILLZ – YOU REMEMBER WHAT THREAD THOSE CLIPS OF JADA TALKING ABOUT DROPPING THE FRIDGE ON PUFF ARE IN?

  174. iceberg slim Says:

    At the end of the day, under the various calculations, you end up at a similar so-called “penny rate” but you get there through entirely different routes. A skilled attorney should be able to walk you through these provisions and give you an approximation of how much money you will make per record sold under your recording agreement (the “penny rate”). This number will range from about $1.60 – $1.95 per album………………and this is considered a geat deal…….

  175. biggumskiller Says:

    eskay is now cam’ron’s weed carrier
    good luck with that interscope dope

  176. Jamz Says:

    NBmore – Most urban black school systems need MONEY! What the hell can parents that are already struggling do about that?? The rich dudes blowing money on BS and being a high end consumer can put a few of them grands to some good use! $500,000 can go a long way when it comes to buying books and furniture!

  177. Boosie Says:

    But the hood dont pay for shit, I know I dont pay for no magazine, I read them shits in the store like all the other niggas, or just head to barnes and nobles and skim that shit.

    There is no money in the hood. Money is makable to impressionable white dudes and girls. The hood doesnt support its own.

  178. nBmore Says:

    USA got smashed in world cup!!!!
    ha ha

  179. iceberg slim Says:

    eskay I like how u r playing devils advocate by defending cam……it makes for great debate…I just hope everybody that’s on here arguing about other niggas money atleast has a house ( own a house not rent) or if they don’t atleast has the credit to get one…..if not pick up black enterprise and they will give u the steps to financial freedom……

  180. biggumskiller Says:

    if cam makes 1.5 million thats half goin to taxes
    and didnt somebody say he was worth 80 million???
    i cant believe you could be a cam stan
    when your husband(jada) dissed his ass
    when he said a real man shouldnt have to say no homo…

  181. el_feces_loco Says:

    so el,

    you basically saying Cam is fake? WHy quote it if you aint got it?
    How many furs you think he got? lets say they are at most 50,00 now would you say he only has one pink one or a few with pink and blue bunnies. I would guess he has 3-5 of them. so that would be 150- 250 thou. What are your thoughts?

    ARE YOU SERIOUS?…DO YOU ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT RAPPERS GET TONS OF FREE FURS CARS CLOTHES FROM DESIGNERS?..HAHAHA I CANT BELIVE YOU KNOW HOW MANY FURS HE GOT..THIS A STARTING TO TURN INTO A BROKEBACK CONVO..IM OUT MAN..ILL B BACK NEXT TOPIC.

    PS THOSE LYRICS WERENT REAL..I WAS JUST USIN IT TO ILLUSTRATE HOW MUCH YOU BELIEVE WHAT NIGGAS SAY ON WAX…AND YOU PROVED IT ON YOUR OWN MORE THAN I EVEN HAD TO.

    *STILL CANT BELIVE HE SAYS THE ONE WITH PINK AND BLUE BUNNIES..SMH*

  182. the Landlord Says:

    nBmore Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
    USA got smashed in world cup!!!!
    ha ha

    ——-
    …co-sign…and they will get smashed again by Ghana, who held their own before losing against powerful Italy…

  183. nBmore Says:

    Jamz Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
    NBmore – Most urban black school systems need MONEY! What the hell can parents that are already struggling do about that?? The rich dudes blowing money on BS and being a high end consumer can put a few of them grands to some good use! $500,000 can go a long way when it comes to buying books and furniture!

    Im from Bmore Our WHOLE F..KIN SYSTEM IS F..K UP and its been like that for generations. But I hold no excuses or have any grudges towards the people who have made it that have not given bac. THE GHETTO IS NOT MY HOME just where i grew up. Why do I wanna see money given to city that is not being handled correctly. Every yr we hear this & that is being donated but we never see it.

  184. Boosie Says:

    so el,

    so since you know camron lyrics, then he has a 100,000 fur. Does he not?
    so all his custom made furs are free?
    I aint believe those lyrics I was breaking down financially what cam has by your very own words. You said at the most they were 50,000 so either according to you cam rents them, or is only paying for cheap fur for about 5-10,000

  185. nBmore Says:

    the Landlord Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
    co-sign…and they will get smashed again by Ghana, who held their own before losing against powerful Italy…

    I got USA not scoring any GOALS
    HA HA!!!

  186. biggumskiller Says:

    trust me this nigga is not playing devels advocate
    hes got killa season on continuos replay
    my favorite scene is when that fat nigga told the cop
    “i dont talk to your tind” or when the other fat dude
    told cam he wanted a carachi

  187. reachnyc.com Says:

    fuck em….fuck who? FUCK EM ALL! If u see em in the club! lean on em!

    final cam post…

    remember…cam came through untertainment…sony…rocafella….def jam…AND…..got RELEASED from ALL those deals!!! most of ur fav rappers r still dealing with the same label…look at the LOX! but cam was able to obtain release from over 3 labels!!!! and at one point cam and nas had the same accountant..u dont have to be smart….just rich enough to hire people smarter than u….

    P.S. Hip-Hop has an MLM affect…where u make money off the people u bring in. Before ANYBODY on dip set even get to deposit a check, cam has to get paid..wisen up …niggas fear what they dont understand….hate what they cant conquer…guess its just a theory of man…

  188. the Landlord Says:

    …Boosie, your obsession with Cam’s loot is very homo behavior…d-d-d-d-d-damn, does dude owe you money?…this is getting monotonous…im out…

  189. Boosie Says:

    el,

    rappers dont get free cars, unless they getting a honda or toyota, maybe they get one from their record company but we all know thats coming out of their account.

    Free clothes- yeah, but thats how they still get jerked. Thinking all this shit is free then they are filing for bankruptcy.

  190. iceberg slim Says:

    I will let yall argue about cams account……my daughter wants to ride her bike…..but I’m on the treo so ill be checking…………”but its like I never left I got the global phone”

  191. biggumskiller Says:

    that you could cosign that bullshit means
    you have no credibily my brudda
    and it also shows that your opinions
    are really suspect after all

  192. el_feces_loco Says:

    ICEBERG YOUR TAKIN NUMBERS FROM A MAJOR AND COMPARIN IT TO A INDY..A INDY HAS NO STAFF, NO OVERHEAD, NO ADVERTISIN, ALL THEY DO IS TAKE THE MUSIC YOU GIVE THEM AND PRINT THAT SHIT UP ON CD’S..THEN EITHER YOU BOTH SPLIT THE MARKETING OF THAT ALBUM OR THEY PAY AND YOU RECOUP LATER……A MAJOR PAYS FOR YOUR VIDEO, YOUR STUDIO TIME, YOUR TOUR OVERHEAD SUCH AS A BUS, HOTELS, ETC,..AN INDY DOESNT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT NONE OF THAT SHIT THERE FORE ALLOWING THEM TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT LESS PER ALBUM THAN A MAJOR.

  193. nBmore Says:

    I THINK BOOSIE IS A BROAD
    HA HA!!!

  194. Jamz Says:

    NBmore – Yeah, it may not be your home anymore, but there are still plenty of folks still call it home! So, they don’t matter anymore? Everybody doesn’t have the same opportunities to make it out, so why should they be punished for it? They should get the same education as anyone else in the state! I hold a grudge against a kat that doesn’t give back because he can afford too, and secondly most of his fans probably live in the hood with rest of people he left behind!

    Just because shyt is phucked up dosen’t mean you have to give up trying to make it better! Get involved! Got to some community meetings, volunteer or be a tutor! There is plenty that can be done at the lowest level, so I know a rich rap star can help make change as well!

  195. el_feces_loco Says:

    BIGGUMSKILLA……I MEANT TO COSIGN THE “JAYS IS FEMININE” PART OF HIS STATEMENT..

  196. biggumskiller Says:

    plus i thought you liked your rappers broke???
    but now i see youl say anything to win an aregument
    that elliot wilson money got you slippin

  197. iceberg slim Says:

    usa soccer team need to get on that hgh or that barry bonds and then them boys will be ballin

  198. Boosie Says:

    Ha ha,

    seems like nbmore is on young joc’s payroll- keep quoting those lyrics you might get 10 cents extra every lyric you quote from him.

  199. Boosie Says:

    nah landlord,

    cam doesnt owe me money, he does owe the youth some intelligence. You must of got a raise today, from cam. Maybe thats why you are so happy.

  200. biggumskiller Says:

    trust me im not like esgay and biggums even thou i dont like
    dipset that doesnt mean i want everything they’re connected to
    to fail…thats a crab in a barrel philosophy of which those two
    are the biggest crabs as a matter of fact the only two i dislike enough to wanna
    whup they ass is jr.writer and jim jones
    jim jones for letting the good beats eat him up everytime
    and jr writer for looking like light skinned jermaine

  201. Boosie Says:

    lol, at biggumskiller.

  202. hovadagod Says:

    Cam gets more money per cd sold than huge POP stars such as BRITNEY SPEARS,EMINEM and 50 CENT wow!He has more status than MADONNA and CELINE DION ??AND we are all supposed to believe him?Then i guess Juelz leave DEFJAM, then they would make more money than what 50 made in his 2 albums put together!
    Asylum could earn more money if they put all that promo money in a bank than take a risk!
    LIAR!!!!

  203. nBmore Says:

    @JAMZ
    U make good points. But thats all talk. Every situation has a story.
    Meaning you cant save every lost soul. You cant help every crackhead every thief or drug dealer. Why should I explain to a GROWN MAN RIGHT FROM WRONG. I belive in teaching the kidz. But once you are old enough to think on your own. Then you need to stand on your own. Yes we as blackmen an women have more road bumps in our path then other races. But that makes for a much better ending.

  204. biggumskiller Says:

    of course i used to run with don bishop agallah(what a stupid name)
    when he was called 8-off the assassin and used to rock a hitler mustache!!!
    i shit you not plus i think they should give max b a chance even thou hes
    another 50 cent clone like z-ro and chamillionare

  205. Bugsytheboss Says:

    CAMRON IS RICH BUT CAN”T AFFORD
    to rent a yacht overseas for the whole weekend(jay/beyonce)
    to giveaway 2 new Porches to his new artist (50)
    to buy his own G4 jet (mabe rent)
    to own a Phantom (got a lambo)

  206. iceberg slim Says:

    so if cam goes platinum he will make almost 8.5 million dollars and jayz and dame sold the remaining portion of the roc for ten mil…….sure cam I believe u….

  207. Boosie Says:

    think about it, a black man invents the cell phone and niggas got two on the hip, which dont work, and the service aint even paid for. But yet niggas still floss them like they got money. Same with Cam.

    all that shit he talks, and how he tries to keep fly, would make you believe the nigga is rolling in mad bank. But unlike the other fanatics in here, I dont buy it.

    Plus when Cam goes on tour, who is going to be paying for the venues and will he be headlining it?

  208. biggumskiller Says:

    if you notice tyrone wont come to eskays defense on
    this one because they(shock and awe) dont agree
    on this topic

  209. biggumskiller Says:

    what tour???

  210. eskay Says:

    Boosie Says:

    fast food chain- 3 wack subways in Ohio, not even in a single building

    liquor stores- dont usually last long- very little revenue. Probably gets shot up.

    liquor brand- wont sell, every rap nigga is doing that now. Hop off the band wagon

    record label- anyone can own a record label, most likely set up with a bigger company where he gets half or 10 percent of the profits.

    clothing line- Will you be rocking dip set gear? You like Easter bunny bandanas, pink watches?

    This equals – Cam broke at 45 yrs old.

    —————————————–

    see I thought you wanted to have a real converstion, but it’s clear you’re just hating (and I never use that word)

    3 wack subways in Ohio? I know niggas living off Subway franchises. bottom line its a business that brings in money with little overhead. if one of the little niggas in your hood said I want to own a subway would you tell him it’s wack he might as well just work in one? come on stop the hatred.

    liquor store – he’s had that liquor store since before he een dropped confessions of fire so you can be mad.

    liquor brand – from what I hear it’s selling pretty well

    record label – you know damn well thats not the label deal he has, again stop hating.

    clothing – of course I wouldnt rock it, I’m a huge Jay stan and I wouldn’t rock Rocawear so why would I rock Dipset shit? but I’ll tell you this, in NY every kid under 18 is either rocking their shit or g-unit.

  211. Boosie Says:

    @iceberg,

    yeah I was surprised that the roc was only sold for like 10 mil. Thats crazy. I dont believe with the 8.50 an album either. He probably gets that, then has to split it with something associated with the music business.

    He might get the amount but it probably goes off into somewhere else, where he is left 2.50 in revenue.

  212. biggumskiller Says:

    dipset cant go on a world tour
    because theyd have to split the money
    between koch altantic asylum and def jam
    and whose gonna headline???santana???
    hes to busy getting his ass kicked

  213. spotrusherz Says:

    everybody talking out of their ass like they lips between the wrong cheeks

  214. eskay Says:

    >>all that shit he talks, and how he tries to keep fly, would make you believe the nigga is rolling in mad bank.

    ^ what extreme flossing? a Lambo? any celebrity can buy a fucking Lambo, that shit is like an Accord these days. I don’t see him flying on planes and shit like Bugsy said or going to St Tropez every week so what big flossing does he do? He definitely has money so I think he’s allowed to talk shit like the 2000 other rappers out there do.

  215. Boosie Says:

    see I thought you wanted to have a real converstion, but it’s clear you’re just hating (and I never use that word)

    So In a real conversation, I cant be humorous or poke fun. I never said that camron was broke. I said he doesnt have crazy crazy loot. Which is he doesnt get paid 10 mil a year unless he has a big year, which apparently this is not his year. But he still is paid, I just doubt he will be making crazy loot at 40 years plus.

  216. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    biggumskiller Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 6:43 pm
    if you notice tyrone wont come to eskays defense on
    this one because they(shock and awe) dont agree
    on this topic

    ACTUALLY IF YOU NOTICE I HAVENT BEEN AROUND MOST THE DAY I TOOK TODAY OFF BUT CAME IN THE OFFICE LATE TO DO A COUPLE HOURS OF WORK. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM DISAGREEING WITH ESKAY ABOUT CAM I USED TO LIKE HIM FOR WHAT HE WAS BUT CANT TAKE THE DR. SUESS ANYMORE AND THIS WHOLE EMBARESSING HIMSELF BY ATTEMPTING TO DISS JAY IS BEYOND PATHETIC NOW ( AND EVEN IF HE DISSED 50 LIKE THIS ID BE SICK OF IT ) ESKAY SAYS KILLA SEASON FAIRLY HOT I STILL WONT EVEN GIVE IT A LISTEN ( IVE HEARD MOST IF IT ON MIXTAPES ) AND I DONT CARE ABOUT THE REST CAM’S BORING TO ME I THINK I GREW OUT OF MY CAM PHASE BUT IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO LIKE HIS SHIT FOR WHAT ITS WORTH THEN ITS ALL GOOD JUST DONT BE A DICK RIDER TELLING ME HE IS RUNNING THIS SHIT AND BETTER THAN JAY LIKE SOME PEOPLE BE SAYING ON HERE

  217. biggumskiller Says:

    eskay youre stupid if you think these
    young boys is rocking diset gear
    in new york the loyal gunit niggas rock gorrilla unit gear
    but most people wear biggie/tupac r.i.p shit or
    stop snitching or snow man shit
    niggas in ny dont even rock bathing ape joints
    which i would sport if i could afford it!!!
    im a big g unit supporter but i dont have they clothes
    and i hate jay z but i wear rockafella jeans

  218. Boosie Says:

    if you notice tyrone wont come to eskays defense on
    this one because they(shock and awe) dont agree
    on this topic

    I was just about to say that.

  219. Boosie Says:

    I really want to see tyrone and eskay duke it out. Cause Tyrone doesnt believe eskay on this topic, but they never battle each other. Something I am looking forward too.

  220. eskay Says:

    yeah Boosie, I think you’re just hating, cuz from where I’m standing the nigga is setting himself up for long term dough. I’m not a Cam stan, I’m just looking at the situation without hate. dude has his hands in mad different enterprises, they may not all make him rich but he’s defintiely on the right path. what you’re failing to take into consideration is Cam been close to Dame for years. I think most of us would consider Dame a fairly good businessman, right?

    Don’t you think he’s advising Cam on his ventures? don’t you think Cam has a real financial advisor? niggas act like he sits on the corner of 140th and Lenox drinking Sizzurp planning his shit out with fucking Hell Rell and Juelz. get a grip.

  221. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Boosie Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
    if you notice tyrone wont come to eskays defense on
    this one because they(shock and awe) dont agree
    on this topic

    I was just about to say that.

    Boosie Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
    I really want to see tyrone and eskay duke it out. Cause Tyrone doesnt believe eskay on this topic, but they never battle each other. Something I am looking forward too.

    CHECK 2 POST ABOVE YOU

  222. biggumskiller Says:

    and believe it or not tyrone i was kinda showing you semi love
    for having your own opinion but i knew you would fly in here
    as soon as i said it…and my homey blackie onassis wants to shoot you
    the fair one in front of his projects
    we wanna see if you really look like rain pryor or not

  223. eskay Says:

    >>eskay youre stupid if you think these
    young boys is rocking diset gear

    nigga you mad cuz I’m ignoring you? how the fuck you gonna tell me what I see motherfuckers rocking? I know I see plenty of little fucks in Dipset t’s and bandanas so I don’t know what fucking NY you live in. go iron your fucking rocawears youngin’

  224. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ME AND ESKAY DISAGREE ON SHIT YALL ARE WILDIN WITH THAT SHIT THE THING IS WE AGREE TO DISAGREE AND DONT GO ON A RAMPAGE IF ONE OF US LIKES SOMETHING AND THE OTHER DOESNT. ALSO THE REASONS FOR US IS BASED ON HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE MUSIC NOT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GOT WHICH IS WHY WE CAN DISCUSS LIKE GROWN ASS ME YOU SEE THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE ON HERE

    HI HATERS ( GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS BACK )

  225. Boosie Says:

    CHECK 2 POST ABOVE YOU

    Nah homie,

    that wasnt battling or disagreeing, you said some shit to save face, but summed it up to where eskay would believe that. We was talking about cams personal finances and I said, cam isnt making as much money as he says is his or claims. But eskay thinks cam is getting paid and naming all these mom and pops business that he owns. YOUR THOUGHTS.

  226. Bugsytheboss Says:

    POOR RAPPERS
    Chingy
    Joe Buddens
    Lil Scrappy
    Spider Loc
    Sheek Louch
    MIDDLE-CLASS RAPPERS
    Camron
    Young Jeezy
    Game
    Mike Jones
    Busta Rhymes
    RICH AS FUCK RAPPERS
    Jay-Z
    50 CENT
    EM
    DRE
    ICE CUBE
    NELLY

  227. biggumskiller Says:

    and esgay and tyrone are like two dogs stuck together
    you gotta throw hot water on them to seperate em

  228. spotrusherz Says:

    “niggas act like he sits on the corner of 140th and Lenox drinking Sizzurp planning his shit out with fucking Hell Rell and Juelz.”

    a+

  229. E From BK Says:

    $300,000?

  230. biggumskiller Says:

    esgay said he was ignoring me…
    how cute

  231. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    biggumskiller Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
    and believe it or not tyrone i was kinda showing you semi love
    for having your own opinion but i knew you would fly in here
    as soon as i said it…and my homey blackie onassis wants to shoot you
    the fair one in front of his projects
    we wanna see if you really look like rain pryor or not

    I DO HAVE MY OWN OPINION AS YOU COULD SEE BY THE POST ( THE SHIT REALLY WAS COICEDENCE I HAVENT BEEN ON MOST THE DAY I GOT BACK TO WORK AT 6 AND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING WORK I JUST HAPPENED TO CHECK IN AT THAT TIME BELIEVE IT OR NOT ITS THE TRUTH )

    YEAH OK WELL WHY DONT YOU COME SEE ME YOURSELF SENDING BITCHES AFTER ME AND SHIT

  232. Boosie Says:

    lol at bugsy, but hold on spider loc is in your camp though. I thought you were his assistant? so you must work minimum wage though.

  233. eskay Says:

    >>I said, cam isnt making as much money as he says is his or claims. But eskay thinks cam is getting paid and naming all these mom and pops business that he owns

    hold up…every rapper doesn’t exagerate their finacial situation? swear to your mother they dont’. I’m sure he exagerates, what I’m saying is you acting like he isn’t making moves or he doesn’t have a good business mind. and your brushing off all his ventures like they don’t mean shit…probably cuz you don’t like Cam. Paul Wall said he’s opening a Subway too, is that cool with you? is it a smart move when he does it?

  234. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    THIS DUDE’S NAME IS MY KILLER BUT HE NEEDS TO SEND SOMEONE NAMED BLACKIEONASIS TO COME HANDLE ME?????
    DUDE MAN UP HANDLE YOUR OWN SHIT
    EASE UP LITTLE HOMIE GET OFF MY DICK
    TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR LIFE MOTHERFUCKER GET A GRIP

  235. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Bugsytheboss Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
    POOR RAPPERS
    Chingy
    Joe Buddens
    Lil Scrappy
    Spider Loc
    Sheek Louch
    MIDDLE-CLASS RAPPERS
    Camron
    Young Jeezy
    Game
    Mike Jones
    Busta Rhymes
    RICH AS FUCK RAPPERS
    Jay-Z
    50 CENT
    EM
    DRE
    ICE CUBE
    NELLY

    YEAH APPPARENTLY HE IS THE ACCOUNTANTS VERSION OF JACOB THE JEWELER. SO BUGSY YOUR THE “HIP-HOP ACOOUNTANT “HUH ?

  236. Boosie Says:

    hold up…every rapper doesn’t exagerate their finacial situation? swear to your mother they dont’. I’m sure he exagerates, what I’m saying is you acting like he isn’t making moves or he doesn’t have a good business mind. and your brushing off all his ventures like they don’t mean shit…probably cuz you don’t like Cam. Paul Wall said he’s opening a Subway too, is that cool with you? is it a smart move when he does it?

    ok eskay, I see what you are saying, but your boy biggums secretely vehemently disagrees with you. What do you have to say to him?

  237. reachnyc.com Says:

    damn yo i swear u mofos is stupid as ever….maybe if we time warped u back to the 80’s u can use wat u learned from now to make money then..but im outta here for the night….cant believe how much of u hate but continue to support cam by writing..

    the reason cam is able to get $8.40 an album people is because….drum roll!!! he pays for studio, transportation, features, basically he covers EVERY cost of making his album, and only needs the label to DISTRIBUTE the album!

    If you baked 10 cakes (yes cakes!) and you needed them delivered…would you pay the delivery man half your profit just cause he delievered them? NO!!! you made the cake and only need to pay a delivery fee, and reap all profits. Cam is not signed to asylum, he inked a DISTRIBUTION and maybe MARKETING deal.

    and now that he has his own mag, he might make fucking $9 a album cuz now he can market his god damn self.

    Young Jeezy — ” I told def jam i dont need they money, i just need them to get me out there…”

    A MAJOR LABEL on the other hand covers ALL costs, including but not limited to making the album, videos, transportation, etc etc etc et-fucking cetera.

  238. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    I DONT EVEN DISAGREE ABOUT THE BUISNESS SHIT, ESKAYS RIGHT I MEAN SHIT IM NOT DUMB ENOUGH TO THINK ANY OF US HAVE MORE MONEY THAN CAM IM ALSO NOT DUMB ENOUGH TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING ANY RAPPER SAYS ESPECIALLY ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY GOT.

    ALSO THT THING IS I NEVER GET INTO TALKING ABOUT CAM’S MONEY OR ANYTHING I JUST AM SICK OF HIS NURSERY RYHMES THAT GOO GOO GAGA SHIT, AND I THINK HE IS REALLY HURTING HIS SO CALLED MOVEMENT WITH HIS ATTCKING JAY SHIT BUT IM SURE HE HAS PEOPLE HANDLING HISMONEY AND HE WILL BE LIVING COMFORTABLY FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE

  239. Bugsytheboss Says:

    yeah I was surprised that the roc was only sold for like 10 mil. Thats crazy.
    Thats becuzz it wasent.Iceberg just talking out the side of his nose. Dame Dash alone got 30 million off of the Roc when it was sold.

  240. reachnyc.com Says:

    P.S. do you forget Cam had the BIGGEST single in Def Jam history!!???????????….Oh Boy…

  241. eskay Says:

    man, I can’t wait to read all these articles and see what that Koch CEO says. if he co-signs that 8 dollar an album shit what will niggas say then? say word the CEO of a major corporation is gonna go on the public record and lie about their financial practices like he can’t get called out on it. like I said, I have a hard time believing it too, but nobody has proved them wrong. it makes no difference to me, but the way niggas be like “he’s lying” like any of ya’ll work in the industry be killing me.

  242. Boosie Says:

    reach nyc,

    do you have the numbers? I gots to see this, but if he did, Lyhor cohen made more than cam off that jay, biggs, dame made more than cam off that, plus cam was probably getting 16 cents for every single sold.

  243. 456 Says:

    If you think Dame Dash got 30 million for the Roc nigga I got some zambian dung to rent you.

  244. Boosie Says:

    I’m not trying to start nothing, but I do notice, that plug and foekist always get into it with eskay, but they still are internet friends. But Biggums wont ever challenge eskay on anything, he will just say I disagree and leave it at that.

    I want to see you guys duke it out at least once. On something, at least.

  245. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    REACHNYC ACTUALLY JUST BROKE IT DOWN PERFECTLY. WHAT PEOPLE DONT GET IS GOING TO KOCH AND WORKING FOR A MAJOR IS REALLY THE SAME WHEN ITS ALL SAID AND DONE. KOCH YOU PUT 90 % OF YOUR MONEY INTO IT AND YOU GET A BIG PAYBACK ON THE CD ( BUT YOU SPENT MAD MONEY OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET TO MAKE THE ALBUM SO UNTIL YOU MAKE THAT BACK YOUR STILL IN THE RED ) YOU SIGN TO A MAJOR YOU GET A HUGE ADVANCE YOUR SUPPOSED TO USE FOR YOUR ALBUM WHATEVER YOU DONT USE YOU KEEP ASSUMING YOU SELL ENOUGH TO HAVE EARNED THE ADVANCE AND THEN YOU GET A SMALLER AMOUNT ON EACH CD BUT YOU DIDNT HAVE TO PUT UP ALL YOUR MONEY SO YOUR STARTING OUT EVEN.
    SO WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT THERE ARE POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES TO BOTH SIDES AND IT WORKS OUT BASICALLY THE SAME

  246. 456 Says:

    oh boy bigger than walk this way?!? ll cool j’s shit? jay’s shit? ludacris? GTFOH.

  247. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Boosie Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
    I’m not trying to start nothing, but I do notice, that plug and foekist always get into it with eskay, but they still are internet friends. But Biggums wont ever challenge eskay on anything, he will just say I disagree and leave it at that.

    I want to see you guys duke it out at least once. On something, at least.

    BUT FOR WHAT? WHY WHAT PURPOSE WOULD THAT SERVE.

    FINE FUCK YOU ESKAY YOU BITCH POST SOME NEW BUDDENS ALREADY

    YOU GUYS HAPPY NOW DAMN

  248. Doc Flav Says:

    You know what gets me is when cats come up with these sterotypes about what niggas do in the hood or what blacks as a whole do, everybody dont move the same, I buy records, mags, dvds, clothes retail and I do bootleg. White folk and suburban cats dont have to support my ‘hood’ because if you are so called ‘hood’ you would know the hood takes care of its own, some of yall some media fed, gossip type birds, with all this paper hatin of grown ass men, like you gonna get some ones off a nigga downfall! These artists dont care if you hate them or they fans, as long as you just keep saying they names and keep them relevant, that way they will keep on cakin up.

  249. Boosie Says:

    BUT FOR WHAT? WHY WHAT PURPOSE WOULD THAT SERVE.

    I mean for one, that would dispell all the rumors about you and eskay, plus it would be just good theatre. Just one on one type shit. I argue with my friends all the time about rap. But we still cool.
    You know 1st and 10 shit.

    FINE FUCK YOU ESKAY YOU BITCH POST SOME NEW BUDDENS ALREADY

    but that is more of a humorous tone. But its cool, I guess we’ll never see it.

  250. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    BOOSIE – honestly im not gonna come onhere and straight up hate on eskay its his site. fuck rumors yall really taking this shit to seriously if your talking about nah right rumors gossiping bitches ( the shit with us is rumors cause you aint got no shit on us but you just jumped out the closet with that shit )

    i like jae millz eskay doesnt but we are grown men we can agree to disagree eskays a bigger pap stan than me and im a bigger buddens stan them him but we both agree on the genral shit of what good for hip-hop and what hip-hop needs so why would i bite the hand that feeds me ( yeah ok maybe we got something on the low he hooks me up with a lot of music when i ask him for it, i get shit mad early from him so yeah ima try and stay on his good side. plus if i didnt like his site i wouldnt come on it

  251. 456 Says:

    @biggums

    Some cats is the type that can play with white people’s money and make it work for them: latifah, puff, jay, missy, retc. they like dubois’ talented tenth. but the majority of cats in order to really eat gotta go independent (booker t. washington) and make money on their own. all peoples look out for their own. indians, chinese, russians, germans, jews, all know how to put aside squabbles to get cake. but you throw a few gold coins at niggas and its armegeddon. niggas is on auto-self destruct.

  252. iceberg slim Says:

    Bugsytheboss Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
    yeah I was surprised that the roc was only sold for like 10 mil. Thats crazy.
    Thats becuzz it wasent.Iceberg just talking out the side of his nose. Dame Dash alone got 30 million off of the Roc when it was sold.

    theres always a challenger

    According to published reports, Island Def Jam has acquired the remaining 50% stake in Roc-A-Fella Records for $10 million dollars.
    The buyout gives Island Def Jam 100 % ownership of the hit making label, which helped power parent label Universal to a whopping 28 Grammy nominations – 10 of which came from Roc-A-Fella artist Kanye West, while Jay-Z notched three.
    In 1997, Island Def Jam had already acquired a 50% stake in Roc-A-Fella Records for just $1.5 million dollars.
    Roc-A-Fella executives renegotiated their deal several years ago and extended their contract with Island Def Jam for $20 million dollars, bringing the final selling price to just over $30 million dollars…….now that’s divided by 3…..so that’s 10 mil a piece…….so u back to my original point u mean to tell me cam can go platinum and make 8 mil…….don’t believe u u need more people

  253. Bugsytheboss Says:

    456 says,
    If you think Dame Dash got 30 million for the Roc nigga I got some zambian dung to rent you.
    Yeah Dame got paper too.Go listen to Dem Franchise Boyz track 4 or read his last article.The nigga made a lil chunk off the Roc plus he own the masters to Reasonable Doubt.He dont got hundred million or two but he got a lil stack.
    For Cam, he is good at flowsing and making people think he worth a 100 million but is really just hood rich and knows alot of rich motherfuckers(Dame being one)

  254. nBmore Says:

    YALL STILL FUSING OVA CAMS ASSETS…………
    Yall then questioned tha mans:
    1. Record deal
    2. His magizine
    3. His fur coats
    4. His liquor store & drink
    5. His cars
    6. His house

    (I SEE BITCH TENDACIES)
    WHERE IS DA HOMO-HORN)))))))))))))

  255. Boosie Says:

    at biggums,

    now I see why you dont go after eskay, he feeds you. But still homey even good friends argue on some shit, I’m just saying you dont have to be on some yes man shit everytime duke.

    But I agree with eskay on a lot of stuff too, but I’m not afraid to voice my opinion to him. I seen you make arguments that eskay would refute but he wasnt there to combat it, so I just thought maybe you guys should go at it and beef it out on some internet shit, but remain friends.

  256. Doc Flav Says:

    The sad part of it all is these are Black businessmen, something that should be congradulated, I cant be believe someone who has time to follow a blog has the nerve to type “aint got no real money” about a multimillionaire. I would have to ask that muthafucka how much money they got? Paper haters how much money you got, in what obviously must be your purse?

  257. iceberg slim Says:

    if someone lives in the tri state maybe u can put me on to game…how does tru life try and call cam and dipset out and they never respond……

    Tru Life’s statements towards Dipset have surfaced via Complex Magazine. While a lot of the readers of the previous Tru Life blog assumed his statements about the fake Bloods and Crips in NY were aimed at Jim (“Jenny”) Jones and whoever else, their suspicions can probably now be confirmed (as told to Complex):

    “Fuck Cam’ron. He’s a bitch. They’re the pink banging bunnies, and I’m the motherfucking bandana smacker.”

    Apparently, Jones, renamed “Jenny Jones” (a reference to a ’90s talk show host) by Tru Life, placed calls to a few rappers claiming that Tru was dissing him and the Dips on a DVD. The fuse between Tru and the Dips was first sparked back when Tru’s “New New York” song began circulating on mixtapes and HOT 97’s airwaves last year. The song, in case you’re wondering, partially focuses on discrediting gang bangers in New York (“Gotta walk through New York and feel like I’m in Compton? Hell nah!”)

  258. nBmore Says:

    iceberg slim Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 7:45 pm
    if someone lives in the tri state maybe u can put me on to game…how does tru life try and call cam and dipset out and they never respond……

    HOW DOES JZ WORK IN NYC BUT NEVER RESPONDS?

  259. iceberg slim Says:

    they said it was the 48th annual parade…….u think nycpd would let there be an 1st annual black american parade

  260. 456 Says:

    dame got paperi didn’t say he didn’t but he did not get 30 million from the sale of Roc-A-Fella and but he does not own the masters to reasonable doubt. that’s what the whole beef was over. in the negotiations jay was gonna give them everything else and keep the masters to reasonable doubt on some this my baby shit and dame wasn’t haven’t it. that’s when jay flipped it on him and got damn near everything.

  261. iceberg slim Says:

    nBmore Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
    iceberg slim Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 7:45 pm
    if someone lives in the tri state maybe u can put me on to game…how does tru life try and call cam and dipset out and they never respond……
    HOW DOES JZ WORK IN NYC BUT NEVER RESPONDS?

    two different cases…………..mike jordan does not have to respond to harold miner……jay earned the right not to respond…..he held rap down ten years….cams never had one summer

  262. Boosie Says:

    Man I can listen to Tru life talk shit all day. Dude is hilarious, but serious at the same time.

    He was getting subliminally at the dips cause they was bouncing up and down, on some new york crunk shit. Thats one funny nigga.

  263. Doc Flav Says:

    “Dash put up money for him to record a bunch of songs and, when a record deal was not forthcoming, began pressing the discs himself and selling them out of his car, and Roc-A-Fella Records was born. To try to get on the radio, Dash shot a video for Jay-Z’s song “In My Lifetime” for $16,000, on 16-mm. film, borrowing a friend’s boat in St. Thomas to film a scene of what looked like a playboy’s living the high life. ”

    This is how Damon Dash made Jay Z, Jay was a so called dope boy, but couldnt buy studio time to record? What part of the game is that? I would be hot too.

  264. nBmore Says:

    iceberg slim Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
    two different cases…………..mike jordan does not have to respond to harold miner……jay earned the right not to respond…..he held rap down ten years….cams never had one summer

    HAS ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF NY EVER HEARD OF TRU-LIFE.
    DOES TRU-LIFE HAVE JJ PLAYIN CAM ON MTV (NOOO)
    BUT CAM HAS JJ PLAYIN JZ HA HA!!!!!

  265. iceberg slim Says:

    rap is the only music where if u represent for a period of time people respect u…….usher would never come sideways to michael jackson……or cold play dissing the rolling stones…….or alisha keys dissing sade……..but its ok for one time platinum (under jays watch mind you) diss over 30x platinum worldwide jayz

  266. Bugsytheboss Says:

    Ice berg slim says,
    jay earned the right not to respond
    only if he doesen’t rap anymore and stay a president.Its cool to jump on a remix or mixtape now and then but if he decides to drop a album and does not address or take shots at Cam then he can no longer be called King Of New York.50 cent will take his place becuzz the real king of the NY(50) would have been aired his ass out and the media buzz would have been over

  267. iceberg slim Says:

    HAS ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF NY EVER HEARD OF TRU-LIFE.
    DOES TRU-LIFE HAVE JJ PLAYIN CAM ON MTV (NOOO)
    BUT CAM HAS JJ PLAYIN JZ HA HA!!!!!

    wow that’s the comeback…

  268. Boosie Says:

    nbmore,

    havent you ever heard thats its okay for the employee to make fun of his boss but not vice versa. Jay is making more of juelz than cam is.

    Jay is sitting on the 100th floor while cam has to be stripped searched every time he enters the building, so cam could never get a response from jay, just like you dont get a response from the ceo of best buy when your shit is broke. Jay sends other niggas to handle that. Hence Tru life.

    But doc,

    you act like jay was broke and didnt have no money, if it was dame who was supplying all that for jay. WHy was jay ceo. Was niggas wearing throw backs cause of dame and rocawea? Can dame sell without jay?

  269. iceberg slim Says:

    jay will respond but on his time……..young niggas have no hustle…..just cause a niga say ur name does not mean u should jump..u should never get emotional because of what a nigga say…..if jay responds now it has no financial reward but it does help cam sell records…jay will respond on his album that he drops later this year….the same album he does not have to split the profit 3 ways

  270. iceberg slim Says:

    just like you dont get a response from the ceo of best buy when your shit is broke

    lmao

  271. 456 Says:

    >>>Can dame sell without jay?

    NO.

  272. Doc Flav Says:

    “Although Jay-Z had already spent years searching in vain for a record deal, Dash says he was drawn to him from the outset. “Everybody thought he was too old; they didn’t like the way he dressed: like a Harlem dude. He wore Nike Airs, which everybody called uptowns.” The class distinctions were lost on nobody. “The Brooklyn cats who were more dominant were known for doing things like gold teeth, much more ghetto,” and they viewed Harlem’s aesthetic as soft. But Dash saw in Jay-Z a sort of uptown swagger. “I was shocked. Here was a guy with the same aspirations that I had. We wanted to be known for making money. All we talked about was making money and how to spend it, what the best of everything was and how bad we wanted it.”

    Who was chief CFO, meaning chief financial officer, chief executive officer (CEO) is pretty much a figure head title or manager type sh-t position. Dude didnt have the price of a little more than a half a bird to produce/record some singles? It took Dame to press the record and sell it to get that nigga a buzz, TRUE STORY!

  273. iceberg slim Says:

    new xxl magazine has jayz on the cover explaing how they made reasonable doubt

  274. 456 Says:

    jay is bigger now than when he was officially recording…an album now would do fiscal damage. if jay was still recording do you think young joc and randoms would eat? niggas should be happy.

  275. Boosie Says:

    Well doesnt that mean that Dame was a good manager? He was basically jay’s manager, and profited more than he really should?

  276. Doc Flav Says:

    Oh yeah Dame Dash is not an artist so I dont understand where all will Dash sell shit comes into play, will he find someone who will move units again? Yes, cause if you dont believe that you arguing against his ability to push Jay Z to platinum status.

  277. Boosie Says:

    But anyway I read that jewlery article and cam has spent 8 MILLION dollars worth of jewelry alone from that dude. He has no multimillion property real estate. But with all that the nigga only has 3 bummy subways. Come on peeps. He is really using his money wisely isnt he?

  278. iceberg slim Says:

    my thing is if dame did so much…..how come he can’t do shit now…….and don’t say pro ked and armadale (jay is still part owner) they gave jermaine dupree a president job before him…ask him he will tell u…”I’m bid laden”

  279. Shanti Says:

    Eskay are you a columnist at xxlmag.com? If so, what is your column? Oh and by the way, I’ve been meaning to say this but I’m really feeling your site.

  280. nBmore Says:

    I dont know what block yall from where JZ can overlook a diss.
    We are talkin bout hiphop. I thought in hiphop somebody take a stab at u take one bac. But i guess that mentality was thrown out the window when it cam to JZ. Now its having commercials or droppin little jabs on mtv sway interviews justifies comebacks in hiphop. This was not the case when jz reversed the tables an took stabs @nas. But when it became a crowd favorite (jz) rules had to change. Not everybody follows hiphop news or understands the bizness side of things to even care what jz has. Its about respect an jz has lost that from a street point of view.

  281. Doc Flav Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 8:11 pm
    Well doesnt that mean that Dame was a good manager? He was basically jay’s manager, and profited more than he really should?

    If I put my money up to produce the project, who’s to tell me how much I should get, as long as my artist is happy in some cases even if they aint, white and jewish record execs been doing it for years. Dame and Biggs financed Reasonable Doubt, thats why Jay Z aint and cant get it.

  282. iceberg slim Says:

    iceberg slim Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
    new xxl magazine has jayz on the cover explaing how they made reasonable doubt

    yellow nigga said he going on vacation……he know that issue about to sell………”and my interviews are hotter”

  283. eskay Says:

    >>50 cent will take his place becuzz the real king of the NY(50) would have been aired his ass out and the media buzz would have been over

    yeah cuz 50 hasn’t been aired out by like 4 different rappers already and not said boo. his rap career ended sometime last year, he’s an “entertainer” now.

    sorry I couldn’t help myself I had to respond to him.

    >>I’ve been meaning to say this but I’m really feeling your site.

    go head girl, let it out. thanks…yeah I write for the xxl site, but not in the Columnists section.

  284. Boosie Says:

    I’m willing to go 70/30 on the whole jay-z image thing. Sure dame has something to do with it, but basically you are saying that dame transformed him. Jay was already 26 yrs old when he dropped doubt. Plus he was ghost writing shit for niggas and had his own style, so he was making a lot more than dame by the time vol 2 rolled around.

    Think about this. Should Dame be worth more than 50 mil. Jay is not making that much money on being CEO. about 8-10 million a year. He makes alot more putting out albums and touring, so why is dame only worth 50 mil to jay-z’s 350 plus.

  285. Doc Flav Says:

    nbmore, I guess Jay Z thinks that love tap he spit on the Hustlin remix is enough, you exactly right if a rapper diss you you diss back, unless you scared, all that bull shit about Cam gon get money if he responds dont make sense no more, he can keep on sonning Jay and still keep making money, if Jay wanna stop his money crush him on the mike, ie Uncle LL Cool J vs Kool Mo Dee, 50 vs Jah, or Krs vs Shan.

  286. Boosie Says:

    You really cant say that dame and biggs financed reasonable doubt, cause jay was part owner, so lets say he gets 33 percent of the kick back.

    Now reasonable doubt steadily sold but not that much. Jay has the money to buy them out for whatever reasonable doubt is, so why is dame being greedy and not giving jay his “baby” The masters to reasonable doubt can’t be worth that much, until samples come from it and shit, but I think its real shady not to let your friend have something that is almost peanuts but is priceless in their mind.

  287. joe buddens Says:

    iceberg – cause dip-set knows better than to fuck with tru-life dudes no joke and has been know to stick up a couple different rappers. tru-life is just speaking real talk and they don’t want it with him

    boosie – check threads about jae millz that’s where we disagree the most. he takes jabs at my novels and my budden stanism and I clown him on being on tour in europe with pap right now. I’m not gonna just come at him completely come at him sideways for no reaason if he gives me a reason I will but not just for shits and giggles or just to entertain you. and just wondering why are all you people are so interested and me and eskay.

  288. D. Billz Says:

    tyronebiggums71 Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
    YO D.BILLZ – YOU REMEMBER WHAT THREAD THOSE CLIPS OF JADA TALKING ABOUT DROPPING THE FRIDGE ON PUFF ARE IN?

    ^ Lol… nah, I don’t. I know it was one of last week’s threads. I’m about to go look for that ish now.

  289. Doc Flav Says:

    Let me just clear up the fact when a publication lists your net worth is akin to a stock price, which will rise or fall in any given year, its based on the moves you make not always on how many assets you may have. Shit he sold Rocawear for almost 50 million if I remember correctly.

  290. Dumb Nigga Says:

    joe buddens??

    Lmao!

  291. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    damn I’m on the treo forgot to change the name scratch the joe budden comment and put my name there. yeah yeah I made a joke about buddens in another thread forgot to change the name

  292. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    yeah d.billz let me know if you find it I’m gonna swagger jack you and use that as my ringer on my phone I looked but couldn’t find it

  293. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    and not for nothing but I’m pretty sure dame got 30 mill. for selling his portion of roc-a-wear. shit I’d be doing jumping jacks for weeks like a motherfuckin 2 steppin to the bank daily shit I’d even get my diddy bop on if I had that

  294. nBmore Says:

    Doc Flav Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
    nbmore, I guess Jay Z thinks that love tap he spit on the Hustlin remix is enough, you exactly right if a rapper diss you you diss back, unless you scared, all that bull shit about Cam gon get money if he responds dont make sense no more, he can keep on sonning Jay and still keep making money, if Jay wanna stop his money crush him on the mike, ie Uncle LL Cool J vs Kool Mo Dee, 50 vs Jah, or Krs vs Shan.

    JZ has alot of JZ LOVERS-(IN LOVE BUT CANT SEE DA TRUTH)
    Its to the point that they overlook basic HIPHOP RULES. If a diss comes your way u respond bac. (plain & simple). I have heard every posssible excuse why jz has not responded. JZ lovers have even stated that he is not even worth it. This was not even a public fued this was a personal fued that jz does not want to be part of bcus it deals with dame. Jz has yet to respond to dame when he was talkin greasy about him. But we still find excuses for JZ. Also lets not forget JZ sprinted to the studio to address nas.
    Jump on a mixtape to address jaz-o. But didnt come to defense for young guns or bleek. Does JZ pick his battle like the ones he can handle that wont get to much notice or dig a whole like when came at nas an took a L. The sad thing that all JZ LOVERS are nervous about is. If jz gets in a battle with CAM an gets KNOCK OUT that would be a 2nd lost. What they really dont want.

  295. Doc Flav Says:

    “You really cant say that dame and biggs financed reasonable doubt, cause jay was part owner, so lets say he gets 33 percent of the kick back.”

    Finance means put money up for, so yes I can, the mere fact that dude got that 33 percent shows how he shitted on dudes that kept it fair with him, dude wrote an album, did he pay for the beats, studio time, promotion? Boosie you can fall back with that legalese aspiring attorney rhetoric and deal with untwisted facts, Dame put dude on period, ghostwriting for Da subar Youngstas aint cut it. Didnt nobody wanna sign dude, Dame came up with the scheme and made it happen.

  296. Boosie Says:

    I’m saying didnt the article say dame is worth 50 million in assets? If so why is he only worth peanuts compared to jay-z?

  297. eskay Says:

    >>and I clown him on being on tour in europe with pap right now

    ^lmao

    *rubs hands together*

    what do we have here, a Jay related argument? who wants it first?

  298. Jamz Says:

    nBmore Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 6:35 pm
    @JAMZ
    U make good points. But thats all talk. Every situation has a story.
    Meaning you cant save every lost soul. You cant help every crackhead every thief or drug dealer. Why should I explain to a GROWN MAN RIGHT FROM WRONG. I belive in teaching the kidz. But once you are old enough to think on your own. Then you need to stand on your own. Yes we as blackmen an women have more road bumps in our path then other races. But that makes for a much better ending.

    —————————————–

    @NBmore – Man, I understand that every situation is different and I am not suggesting that these rap kats are expected to go to every crackhouse and homeless shelter and give everyone $1,000 or some crazy shyt like that! I am just saying put some money back into the community! The adults are secondary though, I was really speaking on the kids actually! The future adults!
    Honestly, the attitude you have is not uncommon these days! Everybody looking out for self first, second and last….and in the end they have nothing show for what they’ve done!

    You ain’t gotta save the world, but you can change something!

  299. Dumb Nigga Says:

    Lmao, now we got another Jay-Z arguement. Shit, i though these were over with 2 weeks ago!

  300. Boosie Says:

    doc flav,

    jay had start up money of his own too from hustling, that was how rocafella was started up. Jay had money of his own. If he didnt dame and biggs would be a partnership and jay would just be an artist. Do you really think jay was broke when he started rapping?

    what promotion went into reasonable doubt?

    Ok lets same dame financed that now jay apparently has made money on his own without the rocafella imprint. Now with that money alone from reasonable doubt, Jay could buy out his masters on foxxy’s album’s alone cause he wrote most of that shit. So with side ventures and business deals jay could get his masters. So how is that shady? and plus jay apparently made more than dame on side ventures alone.

  301. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    fuck you eskay you know the black album is just as hot as reasonable doubt

  302. reachnyc.com Says:

    fuck it i had to come back..

    456….those ll cool j records were the biggest hits on def jam at that time! there are ten times more people listening now then they were then. i didnt say oh boy was the best song ever on def jam…i said it was the biggest….as in got the most spins, plays etc etc, but im pretty sure someone surpassed him…i think it was mariah carey

    and as far as cam owning $8 million in jewelry…once again hes not as stupid as he looks. he got in good with GABRIEL “the jeweler” JACOBs…not to be confused with jacob the jeweler…and whatever the outcome was…it was some kind of business deal…just like the deal paul wall got with the dude that make his grils

    and dames worth $50 mil…not that hes broker than jayz…its just that jay still owns these companies so hes worth more.

  303. Doc Flav Says:

    Im gonna make a lot of Jay Z fans mad with this, but quiet as kept I like some good Hova verses myself….BUT, I believe Dash got some serious dirt on dude and even if he has to use Cam as a mouthpiece to spit it I believe that dirt might leave Hov in the corner rockin back and forth suckin his thumb. Im thinking its either some sucker for love info or some that nigga in the closet gay type info. Because you right Nbmore dude really aint opening his mouth about Dame at all, cause he was disloyal to the Rocafella movement and then got the nerve to get slick and underhand gain control, sound like he must have been jacking off La Reid in the silk slippers spilling nut on his chancletas.

  304. RUMBL3BUMSKI Says:

    JAY FUCKED DAME SO WHY LET HIM HAVE HIS MASTERS,IF HE A REAL FRIEND HE WOULD HAVE GAVE DAME ROCAFELLA, HE IS TO BUSY WITH DEF JAM TO EVEN WORRY ABOUT THE ROCK, SO DAME HAS HIS MASTERS AND IS GONNA KEEP EM,HOW THE FUCK YOU AT PEACE WITH NAS BUT YA MAN WHO HELPED YOU START YA CAREER ARE HAVING PROBLEMS BUT YOU NEED THOSE FROM HIM? DAME RAS KASSED HIS ASS ON THAT ONE, AND SOMEBODY TELL ME WHERE IS K. BIGGS AT FOR ALL OF THIS

  305. nBmore Says:

    @jamz
    There is money in the community just that it is not being dontated correctly. Every yr each state gets surplus of money to do things such as road work,schools & etc. so there is money. So you would think they money would trickle down to the low end poverty people but it doesnt. Can you belive in Baltimore City school kids are still using the same books not the ones i used in school but the ones my brother used in school thats how old them books are now what do u think the condition of those books are in? So the money that you askin Jordan/oprah & etc is no good bcus it never touchs ground. But what do Jordan an oprah care thats there yearly tax write off. Tell jordan/oprah to roll there sleeves up an get dirty thats how u help.

  306. Boosie Says:

    Somebody answer this,

    Why was jay worth more than Dame in 2001? Jay has been worth more than dame since hard knock life.

    You people act like Dame was the sole owner of rocafella. WHy was jay Ceo? WHy wasnt big ceo of Bad boy?

    Why should dame have jay’s masters.?They arent worth that much. Jay could buy it with one week of the 40/40 club’s earnings.

  307. Doc Flav Says:

    jay had start up money of his own too from hustling, that was how rocafella was started up. Jay had money of his own. If he didnt dame and biggs would be a partnership and jay would just be an artist. Do you really think jay was broke when he started rapping?

    what promotion went into reasonable doubt?

    Ok lets same dame financed that now jay apparently has made money on his own without the rocafella imprint. Now with that money alone from reasonable doubt, Jay could buy out his masters on foxxy’s album’s alone cause he wrote most of that shit. So with side ventures and business deals jay could get his masters. So how is that shady? and plus jay apparently made more than dame on side ventures alone.

    He had money from hustling but couldnt afford to make a demo? Major niggas dont beg for album deals they start record companys and sign themselves, Dame had cake and Biggs had cake, Jigga for the most part only had talent.

    What promotion, Dead Presidents video and Aint no Nigga video.

    You cant buy whats not for sale, Reasonable Doubt’s masters are not for sale, plus he already gets paid for the Foxy Brown Bullshit, its called royalties and that only if he did the paperwork right for those. As far as the made more on side ventures, that remains to be seen, Rocawear is no where near as fresh as it was when Dame was runnin it and Rocafella records needs another platinum selling artist besides Kanye, because dude gets no profit share of Def Jam artists, he just gets a salary for his position at Def Jam.

  308. Doc Flav Says:

    SOMEBODY TELL ME WHERE IS K. BIGGS AT FOR ALL OF THIS

    In the office with Dame keeping it 100 percent loyal to the game.

    “Now, it would be hard for me to hit the street looking for talent,” Dash goes on. “I’m 35. I go to operas and shit in Milan. I want everything different now.”

    “Different how?” Mack says.

    “Beautiful music, man,” Dash says, adding that he’s just not going to be the one looking for it and pushing it.

    “Word,” Biggs says without looking up from a copy of The Essential Kitchen, Bathroom, Bedroom, a British magazine.

  309. eskay Says:

    >>fuck you eskay you know the black album is just as hot as reasonable doubt

    I can’t even argue with that one (sorry Boosie)

  310. spanish jay Says:

    well, can’t knock the hustle

  311. Boosie Says:

    doc,

    if jigga had no cake, why was he CEO? Dame was a manager. What manager lets their artist be a CEO, thats stupid. If dame had all the money why would you let a nigga be CEO?

    Jay even said that he would make less money being ceo of defjam, but this helps him out in the long run though.

    WHy are reasonable doubts masters not for sale? Jay executive produced the project and almost made the beats himself, cause even preemo said jay wanted the music to do this this and this.

    But isnt it more shady that you wouldnt let the artist have reasonable doubt, which when you think about it cant be all that much?

  312. nBmore Says:

    Dame let jz have good fortune. Dame wasnt into giving his friend raw deals like other companys. He was doing things right. But jz bit the mouth that RAISED HIM. Dame gave everybody opportunitys to do there thing. But jz on the opposite wasnt as loyal. As you can see when rocafellla broke up kanye to beanie were all left wonderin what side to go with. But beanie Knew dame was there for him thru his whole trial an all. Dame was monumental in pushin kanye to rap. While jz was ok parting & leaving the country but to come bac to almost find camron sittin in his chair. Put dame an jz on shakey grounds. Its about respect. Jz showed no respect when he came at nas talkin bout his baby mother which was a sucker punch (more like grabin nutz when u losing a fight).

  313. Boosie Says:

    beanie only went to dame cause dame knew that was good for business. Dame uses and slaves his artist, then tries to help them. Jay gives you autonomy but you’ll have to learn to sink or swim.

  314. Boosie Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 8:59 pm
    >>fuck you eskay you know the black album is just as hot as reasonable doubt

    I can’t even argue with that one (sorry Boosie)

    Yeah that was basically all for jokes. Good one, But I want to see a real one.

  315. Doc Flav Says:

    Dude do you know the difference between CFO and CEO, I told you a few posts back why Jay got that CEO title, because he had the talent and some business savvy, in hindsight it was stupid because Jay shitted on Dame after all he done for him to get hin even in the game.

    Boosie why aint ya ass for sale then, clothing designers put clothes on it, you shit on toilets? LOL Its not for sale because Dame and Biggs said it aint for sale, it belongs to them, just like your ass belongs to you.

  316. eskay Says:

    what fucking money did Dame have before Rocafella? and where’d he get it? like anybody would know the name Damon Dash if it wasn’t for Jay? GTFOH

  317. Boosie Says:

    So are you willing to say that Puffy made BIG?

  318. Doc Flav Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 9:05 pm
    beanie only went to dame cause dame knew that was good for business. Dame uses and slaves his artist, then tries to help them. Jay gives you autonomy but you’ll have to learn to sink or swim.

    This makes no sense at all.^^^

  319. Boosie Says:

    I was referring why beanie went dame’s way. dame was there more for beanie in the trial. Jay was cool with beanie too, but he knew he had to roll with dame, cause if he didnt that would make beanie look bad.

    I’m saying beanie would prefer to work for jay than dame, but beans had to roll with dame. Dame used beans for his personal success. It was a mockery to me.

  320. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    I figured the shit wouldn’t work that well. but I couldn’t really figure out anything else to say we agree on most jay shit we are both fans we can make some shit up to argue about just to be devils advocate or some shit if you really want

  321. eskay Says:

    so Doc Flav, would you say that what Dame did when he appointed Cam VP was acceptable? what fucking company do you know where a co-CEO can appoint a Vice President without the input and approval of the other top executives? that shit don’t fly in the real world, why should it have went over at Rocafella? Jay had a right to be pissed, even if Cam was someone he got along with. ya’ll acting like Jay is this scheming ass nigga and Dame is a fucking angel

  322. Doc Flav Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 9:10 pm
    what fucking money did Dame have before Rocafella? and where’d he get it? like anybody would know the name Damon Dash if it wasn’t for Jay? GTFOH

    obviously not as many people would have cared about the name Jay Z if it wasnt for Dame, what did Jay have before Dash, a few paltry dope dollars, Jaz O spare keys to his car, ghostwriting credit for Da Youngstas, Big Daddy Kanes scrotum in his mouth, a Mista Cee Mixtape? LOL

  323. Boosie Says:

    nah i rather it be real, like when eskay says something in favor of camron you should say the same thing to eskay like you do to other people. But when others make points about camron you are quick to go after them but when when eskay says it you just say I disagree. So I rather it just be real.

  324. Doc Flav Says:

    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
    So are you willing to say that Puffy made BIG?

    NOPE, Pac did. LOL

  325. RUMBL3BUMSKI Says:

    ITS CRAZY EVEN TO THINK JAY STARTED THE ROC, HE NEEDED HELP AND IT HAPPENED TO BE DAME AND BIGGS, THE QUESTION IS WOULD YOU KNOW JAY WITHOUT THE OTHER 2 CATS?

  326. eskay Says:

    >>what did Jay have before Dash, a few paltry dope dollars, Jaz O spare keys to his car, ghostwriting credit for Da Youngstas, Big Daddy Kanes scrotum in his mouth, a Mista Cee Mixtape?

    so….are you gonna make jokes or tell me what Dame had before The Roc?

  327. Boosie Says:

    Doc Flav Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
    Boosie Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
    So are you willing to say that Puffy made BIG?

    NOPE, Pac did. LOL

    Lol, Nah All jokes aside, by your theory, puff made big, mottola made mariah, gotti made ja rule etc.

    What money did dame have? That nigga had house party money? He was only throwing house parties, how much do you get from that?

  328. eskay Says:

    >>THE QUESTION IS WOULD YOU KNOW JAY WITHOUT THE OTHER 2 CATS?

    no, the question is: what would the Roc be without Jay?

  329. Jamz Says:

    @NBmore – I feel you playa! Shyt is definitely corrupt in city government (I definitely know because that’s where I work), and getting the money in the right hands is tricky with the vultures hoovering around! But, one thing is for sure, I wish rappers would sell the image of doing something constructive instead pimpin, working in the trap house, flying birds and driving $100,000 whips! Since, they can’t help with the real stuff that is jacked in the hood, start with bringing a better image into the television set!

    Eskay – You are right about Dame being a nobody before he got down with Jay!

  330. Doc Flav Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 9:16 pm
    so Doc Flav, would you say that what Dame did when he appointed Cam VP was acceptable? what fucking company do you know where a co-CEO can appoint a Vice President without the input and approval of the other top executives?

    Biggs: aye
    Dame: aye
    Hova: nay

    Its called being outvoted.
    He wasnt that scheming cause when hov came back to the states bitching about it, they vetoed it.

  331. Boosie Says:

    For all the dame dick riders.

    Lets just say Dame got everything, rocafella, rocawear, and everything else. Jay would still be worth more than dame. Jay bought him out which Dame got his fair share from it. So apparently JAy at the time had more money to buy dame out.

    Jay still has more money than dame if Dame got everything. So what are you saying?

  332. Doc Flav Says:

    “What money did dame have? That nigga had house party money? He was only throwing house parties, how much do you get from that? ”

    Enough to finance Reasonable Doubt.

    “no, the question is: what would the Roc be without Jay?”

    fact is there would be no Reasonable Doubt album without the “Rocafella” venture.

    Puffy put big on the Supacat Dolly My Baby remix and shouted out Bad boy on his verse of the same mix, putting Biggie on and I believe that was his chanting Party and Bullshit in the background of that song also, plus we know Biggie aint have no dough, Puff had to beg him to stop running dope from down south.

  333. eskay Says:

    >>Its called being outvoted

    no it’s called not even letting your partner vote and making the decision while he’s on vacation. thats some shady shit. say word the decision couldn’t wait until Jay came back? like I said, that shit might fly in when you and your boys are deciding how to split a hero, but not when you’re running a multimillion dollar business.

  334. Boosie Says:

    They took that shit before an arbitrator, so basically what people are saying is that the judge was shady and jay must of hired him right?

    THINK ABOUT THIS. How was jay able to buy them out?

    Jay is worth about 350 mil right? dame= 50 mil.

    1.rocawear, cant be worth more than 50 mil
    2. rocafella- worth only 30-40 mil
    3. def jam -jay only makes about 10 mil a year

    Now lets say Jay gave all that up and left it to dame, without any kickback

    with all this Dame is still not worth more than Jay. How did jay get to be worth so much?

    Now he leaves rocafella, starts up s. carter gear. Will niggas still be wearing rocafella? or when jay shouts out s.carter in a song what will niggas be wearing. Think about that.

  335. eskay Says:

    >>fact is there would be no Reasonable Doubt album without the “Rocafella” venture.

    we’re not talking about RD, we’re talking about Rocafella. so let’s say Jay and Dame never meet. So now we got Dame, Biggs and…..who? who are they gonna get who’s gonna e the force behind their label? Jay coulda got any idiot with a few bucks. and another thing, you act like RD was even Jay’s first album. truth is he had been running around with Jaz and Kane, and he had already recorded an album. sure it didn’t go nowhere and Dame and Biggs definitely helped him blow up, but Jay was and always will be the Roc. anybody who thinks he doesn’t deserve to own that label is out of their mind.

  336. Boosie Says:

    Doc Flav Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
    “What money did dame have? That nigga had house party money? He was only throwing house parties, how much do you get from that? ”

    Enough to finance Reasonable Doubt.

    Now rocafella was a defjam venture 50/50. Now probably a quarter or more of that money goes to universal. So how can you say that Dame financed rocafella. Are you saying he financed the whole album, cause apparently house party money cant pay for any album.

    When dame says “financed” he probably means his name was on the bank statement when they were ok’d the loan, which part of the money was provided by universal and defjam.

  337. D. Billz Says:

    “anybody who thinks he doesn’t deserve to own that label is out of their mind.”

    ^ Tell that to your boy El feces.

  338. eskay Says:

    I be trying to tell him but he has hate in his blood

  339. Boosie Says:

    If jay leaves everything to dame, how is jay still worth more than dame?

    rocafella and rocawear cant be worth nore more than 85 mil. Thats a generous amount. So lets say Jay leaves it.

    How is he still worth more than Dame?

  340. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    boosie the thing is I don’t hate cam that much I loved purple haze I think he is entertaining in a clownish way but entertaining all the same. when I go on my rants is towards the crazy cam stans who think he is better than jay and killing him in the streets. I can’t stand the dudes talking about its killa season and dip set running ny
    ( cause their not ) eskay doesn’t think like that he thinks he is losing to jay bad so what are we gonna argue about he finds him more entertaining than me and again that’s all good now if he start talking about dip set running this bitch then ill have an issue.

    fuck you eskay like cam’ran a little less will you

  341. Boosie Says:

    another thing,

    If dame was so smart, he wouldn’t have made jay Ceo:
    Hence in point Jay had about the same amount dame had.

    Even jaz-o said them niggas was SHOPPING for deals which means jay couldnt have been broke. I dont see how jay was broke, if he was shopping with dame for deals.

    That doesnt make sense. SOmebody explain that one to me.

  342. Boosie Says:

    but tyrone,

    didnt you say that the commercial was meant for camron? eskay disagreed that it really wasnt and you was defiant that it was. But Me and biggumskiller was talking about how eskay backs cam up, and some of the stuff eskay said, you would have gone off if another person said it.

  343. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    el feces hate for jay-z makes kobe and shaq look like boys

  344. eskay Says:

    >>fuck you eskay like cam’ran a little less will you

    nah fuck that

  345. Boosie Says:

    another thing,

    who was dame’s other client before jay-z? Jay been rapping since he was 15 so he must have been getting some loot at 20 yrs old, with the kane and Big L and all them. Big L was getting money before jay and he even introduced jay to someshit. Kane had loot back then so how was Dame getting that money?

    When was rocafella formed, so I can do the math? anyone know?

  346. eskay Says:

    >>and some of the stuff eskay said, you would have gone off if another person said it.

    I don’t think so cuz I’m talking rationally. I’m not a raving Dipset stan talking about “fuck ya’ll u’r mad! dipset all day!!! get that paper Killa!”

  347. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    I’m mean I can’t see how that’s not a shot at cam but someone thinking that aint that big a deal I don’t see how you don’t see it and that goes for eskay if he isn’t convinced I mean its such a hov mov like what can he say now? but that’s not that big a deal to be like fuck you eskay your fucking stupid and dickriding cam and that goes for everyone who isn’t convinced

  348. The Truth... Says:

    Rocafella and Reasonable Doubt wouldn’t have been the same without either one of those cats. You can’t say it was all one guy or the other. I recently found myself in a very similar situation, and trust me, it’s both people’s work that made that shit successful. I’m sure they both brought shit to the table.

    Yes, I think Puffy was a big part of Biggie’s success. There’s a lot of good rappers out there, but most of them don’t meet that right person that makes them get to that higher level, and when that person does allow them to blow up, all of the sudden they don’t count?! Fuck outta here….

  349. Boosie Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 10:03 pm
    I don’t think so cuz I’m talking rationally. I’m not a raving Dipset stan talking about “fuck ya’ll u’r mad! dipset all day!!! get that paper Killa!”

    But tyrone hates cam with a passion, and never admitted that cam was entertaining until you said that. Remember when you said purple haze was one of the best cd of 05, if that was someone else tyrone would have flipped.
    I’m not saying you have to be irrational, but any positve talk about cam and tyrone literally becomes tyrone biggums. So you basically made him do a 90 degree turn on cam. Cause without your opinion and input, tyrone comes out against anything cam does.

  350. eskay Says:

    and with the HP commercial shit I actually agreed that it could be a Cam dis after I went back and watched it again. sorry Boosie.

  351. The Truth... Says:

    If y’all think Dame is only worth 50 mil, you’re trippin….

  352. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    that’s why I understand rational cam fans that take him for what he is worth but you won’t find him talking about the best ever and he is quick to clown cam and say he lost again to jay quite often check his threads I have lots of friends who like cam I understand the entertainment factor but he aint running shit

    still fuck you eskay just a little I mean shit I’m not asking for him to be on the level of the r & b singer we don’t speak of just like him a little less if not fuck you

  353. eskay Says:

    >>But tyrone hates cam with a passion, and never admitted that cam was entertaining until you said that.

    not true, I remember him saying he liked Purple Haze months ago.

  354. Boosie Says:

    so you are saying it was a direct diss or implicit diss, meaning that it could be anything so to speak.

    So basically even when you guys dont agree with one another, a week later you will eventually agree on it ? Lol

  355. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    and fuck you eskay what kind of jay stan are you even giving cam any credit fuck that shit

  356. Boosie Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
    >>But tyrone hates cam with a passion, and never admitted that cam was entertaining until you said that.

    was that before you said it was tight, because how can you not like cam with a passion and make fun of his rhymes but then like purple haze?

  357. Boosie Says:

    forget that last statement I fucked up

  358. eskay Says:

    yo fuck you too Biggs, you know The Growth ain’t never droppin!

  359. Boosie Says:

    >>>not true, I remember him saying he liked Purple Haze months ago.

    was that before you said it was tight, because how can you not like cam with a passion and make fun of his rhymes but then like purple haze?

  360. Boosie Says:

    yo fuck you too Biggs, you know The Growth ain’t never droppin!

    nice try but both you guys like jay

  361. The Truth... Says:

    eskay Says:

    but Jay was and always will be the Roc. anybody who thinks he doesn’t deserve to own that label is out of their mind.

    —-

    Hell no. Sorry dog, but I don’t agree. He has as much of a right as Dame. Actually, did they even start it together? Or was it Dame and Biggs and then they just signed Jay? (not sure how it went)

  362. Boosie Says:

    Think about this. Where did jay to all of a sudden come up with the money to buy out Dame?

    How come Dame couldn’t buy out Jay?

    where is all of dame’s money?

  363. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    dog I bought purple haze they day it came out bumped it for weeks straight did the same with the first diplomatic immunity albums ( that’s when I thought juelz was gonna be the truth ) I’ve always said he is enteraining and he has great beat selection go back and check. I say he shouldn’t be mentioned in the same category as jay he should drop the killa!!! cause we all seen him run like a bitch while his boy got stomped but eskay clowns him for that too. I think he’s a bitch but that doesn’t affect my decision about his music ( see game and even busta wanna talk about doing a 180 I was driving the busta hate train before I got the album for my weed carrier listened to it and decided it ws crack and have been listening to it for like 2 – 3 weeks now but still think he’s scum but the albums fire )

  364. eskay Says:

    >>nice try but both you guys like jay

    its Buddens

    >>He has as much of a right as Dame.

    how do you figure? yeah they started it together. rappers like Jay don’t come along often. do you know how many Dame Dash type dudes there are out there? Dame is smart and I agreed with you when you said they all helped each other (even though I still don’t know what the fuck Biggs did all those years, but whatever) but to say nobody else coulda done what Dame did is crazy. it’s not so crazy to say that another rapper wouldn’t have had the same career Jay had.

  365. Boosie Says:

    I think everyone bumped that 1st diplomatic album so that dont even count. If you listen to purple haze so much, why when a dip set fan come in you immediately say cam is trash. You have said cam is trash before and you cant deny that.

  366. Boosie Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 10:22 pm
    >>nice try but both you guys like jay

    its Buddens

    shit, thats what I meant for the growth album.

  367. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    fuck you eskayand atleats he got one album out and went gold ( remember when that meant you were running shit ? ) and he destroyed jay on a track. what’s pap at mixtape 14 yeah I can count pap damn get on your promo grind help your boy out

  368. eskay Says:

    >>I think everyone bumped that 1st diplomatic album so that dont even count.

    I didn’t

  369. Boosie Says:

    >>I think everyone bumped that 1st diplomatic album so that dont even count.

    I didn’t

    but you bumped purple haze so that dont count

  370. eskay Says:

    >>and he destroyed jay on a track.

    ill, Buddens got murked on that shit, he still can’t look Jay in the face

  371. Boosie Says:

    eskay Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 10:29 pm
    >>and he destroyed jay on a track.

    ill, Buddens got murked on that shit, he still can’t look Jay in the face

    What do yall really think all jokes aside? I though Buddens pulled a foul move and worked on that shit for hours and shit. He obviously studied that verse so he could top. jay nearly freestyles on mixtapes.

  372. The Truth... Says:

    True about Biggs….

    People don’t see the work someone like Dame does….people only see Jay Z, the famous rapper everybody likes. But if they started together and Dame kept working on improving Rocafella all these years and doing shit behind the scenes, politikin with people, etc, etc….he also made Rocafella what it is, so he deserves his shit too. You can’t just take it away from him now cause Jay is more famous….

  373. The Truth... Says:

    Boosie Says:
    >>How come Dame couldn’t buy out Jay?

    Don’t know….but I don’t think it was a money issue….

  374. Boosie Says:

    the truth,

    what does dame deserve? Lets say he gives dame 60-70 mil which covers rocafella and rocawear Dame is still not worth as much as Jay? so what is the point?

  375. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    boosie I’ve been known to exaggerat. shit I’ve called nas trash before I didn’t mean it I just exaggarated for the fuck of it. also again I liked purple haze but after multiple mixtapes and other dip set albums I got real sick of the nursery ryhmes so I’m not near the fan I was when purple haze came out ( I mean shit I thought the guess whose back 50 album was the shit but that doesn’t mean he didnt turn into ja rule )

  376. The Truth... Says:

    Both Purple Haze and the 1st Diplomatic Im. were dope….don’t hate.

  377. Boosie Says:

    The Truth… Says:

    June 12th, 2006 at 10:33 pm
    Boosie Says:
    >>How come Dame couldn’t buy out Jay?

    Don’t know….but I don’t think it was a money issue….

    How much do you think rocawear and rocafella is really worth?
    so if jay gave him his fair share, why are people complaining?

  378. The Truth... Says:

    Boosie Says:
    >>what does dame deserve? Lets say he gives dame 60-70 mil which covers rocafella and rocawear Dame is still not worth as much as Jay? so what is the point?

    What do you mean what is the point?! The point of what?

  379. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    fuck you eskay diplomatic immunity vol. 1 was that shit. and I’m serious that album is the best thing cam’s ever been affiliated with

  380. Boosie Says:

    tyrone,

    but cam was really starting to spit nursery rhymes back then, so basically within this past year. Cam has gone from ok to trash, or you always thought he was ok but thinks he is trash when a dipset fan shows his face?

    Which one is it dog. You either think he is lukewarm or straight up trash. He cant be trash to some people but be ok to others.

  381. The Truth... Says:

    >>>so if jay gave him his fair share, why are people complaining?

    I don’t know…I didn’t bring that point up. I was only saying that it’s wrong to say that Jay deserves Rocafella more than Dame….

  382. Boosie Says:

    the truth says
    What do you mean what is the point?! The point of what?

    I’m saying people are saying that dame should get this and this, but if he gets all that how does it come out to be that jay is still worth more than him buy a whole lot of money.

    Jay bought him out. So are you saying dame should have gotten more money or jay should have been weak business minded since that is the fair thing to do, like some highschool shit.

  383. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    boosie buddens defintely heard jay’s verse and had to bring it back now ( they both admitted it was a friendly sparring session shit ) but I honestly think they both killed it but buddens defintely got the best of it and I’ve been known to say jay hasn’t fucked with him ever since cause he knows he’s that dude and he’s not ready to give his spot up

  384. eskay Says:

    >>diplomatic immunity vol. 1 was that shit. and I’m serious that album is the best thing cam’s ever been affiliated with

    seriously? was it that good? I don’t think I’ve ever sat down and listened to the whole thing in one sitting. I’m pretty sure Ive heard all the songs on it, but I never got into it. it’s on my Ipod maybe I’ll listen to it tomorrow

  385. Boosie Says:

    biggs,

    how did buddens get the best of him when his verse is like 1 minute longer than jay? He studied his masters verse. Buddens didnt really start spitting fire till the end.

  386. eskay Says:

    oh and fuck you Biggums, Jay murked Joey

  387. The Truth... Says:

    Boosie Says:

    >>>I’m saying people are saying that dame should get this and this, but if he gets all that how does it come out to be that jay is still worth more than him buy a whole lot of money.

    Not sure what this has to do with anything…..don’t even know how to respond to that.

    >>>Jay bought him out. So are you saying dame should have gotten more money or jay should have been weak business minded since that is the fair thing to do, like some highschool shit.

    ????? Dog, I think you been on here for too long trying to hold down multiple conversations…your shit is starting to not make sense.

    >>>seriously? was it that good? I don’t think I’ve ever sat down and listened to the whole thing in one sitting. I’m pretty sure Ive heard all the songs on it, but I never got into it. it’s on my Ipod maybe I’ll listen to it tomorrow

    I thought that album was dope….

  388. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    also people arguing about what dame deserved is pointless. jay just wanted his masters dame wouldn’t they went to court and an arbitrator in court decided how much dame deserved are any of you telling me your more qualified to make that decision than the arbitrator ??? dame’s greedy ass got him where he is you guys also act like he isn’t hated by everyone in the buisness world jay was the friendly one dame was just a bully
    people like jay they hate dame hard to make money when your burning all your bridges

  389. The Truth... Says:

    Boosie Says:

    >>>how did buddens get the best of him when his verse is like 1 minute longer than jay? He studied his masters verse. Buddens didnt really start spitting fire till the end.

    Actually, this sentence made sense….

  390. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    especially when you have nothing to offer what does dame have to offer anyone?

  391. The Truth... Says:

    ^^^ You can’t say that…..have you ever worked with him? You think he did nothing / no imput all those years at Rocafella?

  392. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    really I don’t say he is trash lukewarm sure but where people get it twisted is I just say that his diss to jay was trash which it was both of them. I know that purple haze was the start of the nursery rhyme shit but I could only take one album of it after that was too much it grew old on me.

  393. eskay Says:

    smh @ me having 131 hits for “houston rapper with aids” from Google when I didn’t write about that story once on this site.

  394. RUMBL3BUMSKI Says:

    I DON’T KNOW HOW THIS SHIT HAPPENED?JAY ACTUALLY SOLD HIMSELF TO SOME PEOPLE AS A “GOD”.I’M A FAN OF THE MAN BUT DAMN, SOME PEOPLE ACT LIKE THE ROC WAS A DYNASTY! IT ONLY HAD ONE GOOD ARTIST AND THATS IT! TRUTH BE TOLD WHAT IF DRE WAS AS COCKY AS JAY AND DECLARED AFTERMATH AS THE OFFICIAL DYNASTY, JUST CAUSE HE CAME OUT EVERY SUMMER DOESNT MEAN HE THE “KING”, SHIT A ONE ARTIST LABEL MUST BE EASY TO RUN! NO DAME,NO JAY PLAIN AND SIMPLE! AND BY THE WAY THE ROC STARTED CAUSE HE COULDNT GET SIGNED AND THATS FUNNY THE “ROC” WAS THE RESULT OF FAILURE!

  395. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    boosie If I had to choose one of those verses to listen to I choose joey’s that’s why I say it

  396. eskay Says:

    >>JAY ACTUALLY SOLD HIMSELF TO SOME PEOPLE AS A “GOD”

    I love when people say that shit like Jay fans worship him or something. it’s a nickname, most rappers have them, Cam calls himself Killa when we all know he ain’t. let it go.

  397. The Truth... Says:

    RUMBL3BUMSKI Says:
    >>I DON’T KNOW HOW THIS SHIT HAPPENED?JAY ACTUALLY SOLD HIMSELF TO SOME PEOPLE AS A “GOD”

    True…

  398. The Truth... Says:

    Only Rakim can be refered to as The God…

  399. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    rumble dre hasn’t dropped in album in 5 years and he doesn’t write his own raps

  400. iLL Change Says:

    i see that some cats still think The Black Album is better than Reasonable Doubt. i’m not gonna start anything, but i gotta say this.

    First off, Reasonable Doubt is a classic. some of you are sayin that The Black Album is also a classic. if they are both classics, then they define the type of muzik they are representing (The Chronic is a classic for the West, Illmatic is a classic for the East, etc.) i say that to say this: Illmatic helped shape the sound that NY is known for; Ready To Die helped shape the sound that NY is known for; Reasonable Doubt helped shape the sound that NY is known for. these albums are the epitome of East Coast hip hop. the previous 2 sentences are how i would define a classic album. so if Reasonable Doubt = muzik that defines NY hip hop, then The Black Album would = muzik that defines NY hip hop, since they are [supposedly] as good as one another. to me, personally, i would not say that The Black Album defines classic NY hip hop. i would say it is a example of good NY hip hop, but i dont think it defines what NY hip hop is/is known to sound like. the beats, subject matter, and [some of] the lyrics on The Black Album, to me, do not sufficiently stand as examples of classic NY hip hop. i’m not arguing wether The Black Album is good or bad, i’m just saying that in my opinion, it is not a classic.

    this is all. you may now return to arguing about Cam’Ron’s financial status or Jay vs. Dame in the battle of the best business mind, or whatever else is the topic. im out

  401. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    like I say the black album is just an extension of reasonable doubt an older version that’s my opinion

  402. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    * still waiting to hear who is more qualified to decide what dame desreves than a legal arbitrator *

  403. swisstopher Says:

    without dame, i don’t think jay knows shit about the business side of the rap game. it’s my opinion, thought i think they both needed each other in the beginning. my favorite cam song was “Where I’m From” on the S.D.E. album. his verse was pretty dope.

  404. Smokie Says:

    400th.

  405. eskay Says:

    Tru Life dissin Dipset at the Roxy last night

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMTiNNUch9I

  406. eskay Says:

    *collects 4x Platinum plaque*

  407. eskay Says:

    lol @ http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=2193v

  408. eskay Says:

    http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=2218

    Hi Haters

  409. 456 Says:

    The Black Album is not really on the same level of reasonable doubt to me. There is Jay before he became a rap star and a business and Jay when he was still in hustler mode. The first three albums are really the hustler albums. “Allure” was really the only track on the Black Album that recalled that subtlety of the Reasonable Doubt.

  410. Front Says:

    Hi haters
    I’m back off hiatus

  411. Front Says:

    Ill change, you have a seriously stupid definition of classic. I mean a classic NFL play doesn’t define football. A classic joke doesn’t define humour. But even in your messed up context, this is what I think:

    Black Album defines Jay-Z.

  412. Front Says:

    Oh yea, owning Subways are stupid. Subway the corporation has a great method of letting pratically anybody open a franchise, but are mearly letting them test the market before they move in their own store.

    Oh and for some Hate Bait(tm):

    Blueprint > Reasonable Doubt & Black Album

  413. 456 Says:

    the eyes of his soul was half closed…

  414. 456 Says:

    “the windows of his soul was half closed…”

  415. 456 Says:

    Jay albums in order of heat:

    Reasonable Doubt
    Volume 1
    Blueprint
    Black Album
    Volume 2
    Blueprint 2 (underrated, lyrical bomb)
    Roc La Familia (sleeper)
    Volume 3

  416. el_feces_loco Says:

    hahaha@ joe camel…no whiskers like a cat..compared to cam you wack..ahahah..Yo es i aint a Hova Hater man I just dont like how he did Dame Dash Dirty, I never said he doesnt deserve to own the ROC, he just doesnt deserve all the praise for the RoC’s success..Jayz’s legend is bigger than Jayz the man..2PAC called him out he said nothing while MOBB fought for NY, then 2 years later he making songs with snoop talkin shit, Nas dissed him numerous times, he went on TV talkin bout how NAS is cool, but the nigga whose kids look up to you as a Godfather/uncle..you say to him ” give me “MY” masters or Imma take everything”..sounds like some shit my sister would say..that nigga is a bitchmade snake azz nigga..Do you think Jay would ever say some fowl shit like that to Bruce Rattner(real owner of the NETS)..no..he DAME sure wouldnt,..that nigga is a clown puppet for DefJam and I honestly non hatedly think he might have checkmated himself..I love the guys old music tho..anything he spit before Volume 2.

    # iceberg slim Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 7:46 pm

    they said it was the 48th annual parade…….u think nycpd would let there be an 1st annual black american parade

    *DUDE WHERE ARE YOU FROM?..YOU JCLONES ARE MORE ANNOYING THAN DIPSTANS*..BETWEN YOU AND BOOSIE I DONT KNOW WHO IS MORE CORNMEAL.

    http://tbwt.org/index2.php?option=content&do_pdf=1&id=310

    Boosie Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
    1.rocawear, cant be worth more than 50 mil

    *DUDE DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF MONEY? HOW OLD ARE YOU? SERIOUSLY?..YOU CANT BE OLDER THAN LIKE 14 MAN IM DEAD AZZ SERIOUS.

    READ THIS ARTICLE..THEN COME BACK AND SAY “EL YOU COULD BE RIGHT..I THINK DAME “DID” HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ROC’S SUCCESS” AND WE ‘LL CALL IT EVEN MY DUDE..I CANT REASON WITH YOUR UNREASONABLE DOUBT.(pun intended)

    http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2003/0707/088.html

    BY THE WAY NOTICE THAT THIS IS FORBES MAG AND I DOUBT THE WRITER WOULD TRY AND SKEW THE STORY DAMES WAY WHEN JAY WOULD MAKE FOR A MORE INTERESTING SUBJECT.

  417. nation of thugacation Says:

    eskay is that an original pic from the reasonable doubt photoshoot, or is that a recent pic?

  418. el_feces_loco Says:

    http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=1293

    In a sense, Roc-A-Fella’s greatest value may be its legacy and the reputation it has created for Dame Dash as an entrepreneur and marketing genius. It is hard to argue that the success of Roc-A-Fella Records made Dame Dash’s ownership of Rocawear, Armadale Vodka, Roc Digital, America Magazine, and Pro-Keds possible.

    ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS ARTICLE IS THIS LINK..WHICH SHOULD KILL ALL THE “CAM CANT GET 8 DOLLARS PER ALBUM” TALK.

    http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=269

    Wendy Day: ” an artist with a major distibution deal can make 80% as opposed to an artist signed to a label making 12% after repaying most of the expenses. The real numbers could look like this: an artist owned label can make $8.00 a record from the first sale forward, compared to a signed artist making 80 cents a record after paying back most of the expenses (could mean not seeing a payment until record # 275,000).

    SHE THEN GOES ON TO EXPLAIN HOW SHE GOT CASH MONEY THE FIRST 80/20 SPLIT WITH THEM AND UNIVERSAL…

  419. spotrusherz Says:

    dude jigga hasnt looked like urkel in like 7 years

  420. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    eskay Says:
    June 13th, 2006 at 12:12 am
    Tru Life dissin Dipset at the Roxy last night

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMTiNNUch9I

    yo tru life ripped him. its hard to hear him sometimes but he tore the dips apart

    ” im the bandana smacka/
    banana clappa/
    we’ll have you like “A” when we point em at ya ”

    “if cam’s a blood i guess he’s a watch dog/
    cause all he did was watch dog”

  421. D. Billz Says:

    I see Es pulled off another 4x plat thread. I’m about to start inquiring about how I can get points off the post or somethin…

    Damn, yall niggas still goin’ at it with the Hova arguement. Wow. I guess like Saigon and Tru Life said. I guess you’ll give him props after he’s dead. (You can find that interview on YouTube)

    Tru Life going at Dipset is like the greatest thing right now. Fuck how much money they make, businesses, and all the other miscellaneous shit. These clowns need to be put in their place EARLY. Extort these clowns.

  422. eskay Says:

    >>Oh yea, owning Subways are stupid.

    say word opening your own business is stupid

  423. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    FUCK YEAH D.BILLZ TRU-LIFE NEEDS TO SHUT THEM UP AND YOU KNOW THEY WONT DARE SAY SHIT TO HIM THEY DONT WANNA GET MOBB DEEPED

  424. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    eskay Says:
    June 13th, 2006 at 8:13 am
    >>Oh yea, owning Subways are stupid.

    say word opening your own business is stupid

    YEAH MAKING MONEY IS REALLY DUMB JUST SPEND SHIT YOU DONT HAVE THATS HOW YOU DO IT

  425. Gumsy McDraw AKA Jibber Jabber Says:

    Can someone explain 2 me like I’m a 5 yr old, how Jigga dissed Cam in the HP ad? I love the ad. I’ve watched shit loads of times, but I just don’t get it. How do u know he is talkin 2 Cam? Holla bac!!

  426. D. Billz Says:

    Real talk Ty Biggs… These niggas played a major in helpin’ to usher in this whole fake ass Blood movement on the East Coast (Northeast). From B’more, and further up, nothin’ but lil’ niggas flaggin’ and senseless murder. Yeah, bad parenting has a LOT to do with it. But the influence is so prevalent in the music and culture. It’s not like violence is ever gonna stop. I just hope other MC’s and whoever else keep goin’ at these clowns.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm9GkmaGJMs

  427. t.r.t.o.n.r. 4x platinum (10x globally) Says:

    maan cams got this magazine shit poppin off aswell……he’s like a ghetto jay-z!! haha

    t.r.t.o.n.r. 4x platinum (10x globally)………………..back like im avenging my brothers death!

  428. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    GUMSY – HE BREAKS OUT A CHESS BOARD MAKES SAYS ” HOLD ON ” MAKES ONE QUICK MOVE AND SAYS “GAME’S OVER, I WONDER IF HE KNOWS JAY CHUCKLE ” THAT SHIT IS SO JAY ITS RIDICULOUS WHO DO YOU THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SAYING I WONDER IF THEY KNOW THEY ALREADY LOST?
    EVERYTHING ELSE HE MENTIONED ARE BUISNESSES HE IS APART OF CHESS IS THE ONLY PART THAT WASNT ADVERTISING FOR HIM AND THE COMPUTER

  429. t.r.t.o.n.r. 4x platinum (10x globally) Says:

    im feelin tru life fa that new new york vibe hes on…but he aint no fif, and will never se3ll as much!!!

    and cam will still be getting that dough no matter what….
    but props to tru life tryna blow up on the back of another mc*

    *sarcasm,as if you didnt kno

  430. Foekist aka Pap Izwak Says:

    >>Can someone explain 2 me like I’m a 5 yr old, how Jigga dissed Cam in the HP ad? I love the ad. I’ve watched shit loads of times, but I just don’t get it. How do u know he is talkin 2 Cam? Holla bac!!

    The one that I can think of off top, was the chess board, where he said that “it’s over, and they don’t even know…” or something like that.

  431. Boosie Says:

    That would be really stupid of hov to reply to cam through a commercial. Do people know that the word “he” can be used for a number of things, and that you can actually play people in chess online!

    Have you guys ever played chess online?

    Again I ask,

    For all the sour face dame dick riders,

    What should dame have gotten?

  432. Blue Says:

    I admire Cam for thinking outside the box. He has his faults like anybody else, but you have to respect the man for doing it his own way.

  433. unkut.com - A Tribute To Ignorance (Remix) Says:

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  434. el_feces_loco Says:

    *realizes ES is trynna ether him by holding his comments in moderation for 8 hrs*..gets smart..

    # iceberg slim Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 7:46 pm

    they said it was the 48th annual parade…….u think nycpd would let there be an 1st annual black american parade

    *DUDE WHERE ARE YOU FROM?..YOU JCLONES ARE MORE ANNOYING THAN DIPSTANS*..BETWEN YOU AND BOOSIE I DONT KNOW WHO IS MORE CORNMEAL.

    http://tbwt.org/index2.php?option=content&do_pdf=1&id=310

  435. el_feces_loco Says:

    Boosie Says:
    June 12th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
    1.rocawear, cant be worth more than 50 mil

    *DUDE DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF MONEY? HOW OLD ARE YOU? SERIOUSLY?..YOU CANT BE OLDER THAN LIKE 14 MAN IM DEAD AZZ SERIOUS.

    READ THIS ARTICLE..THEN COME BACK AND SAY “EL YOU COULD BE RIGHT..I THINK DAME “DID” HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ROC’S SUCCESS” AND WE ‘LL CALL IT EVEN MY DUDE..I CANT REASON WITH YOUR UNREASONABLE DOUBT.(pun intended)

    http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2003/0707/088.html

    BY THE WAY NOTICE THAT THIS IS FORBES MAG AND I DOUBT THE WRITER WOULD TRY AND SKEW THE STORY DAMES WAY WHEN JAY WOULD MAKE FOR A MORE INTERESTING SUBJECT.

  436. el_feces_loco Says:

    http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=1293

    In a sense, Roc-A-Fella’s greatest value may be its legacy and the reputation it has created for Dame Dash as an entrepreneur and marketing genius. It is hard to argue that the success of Roc-A-Fella Records made Dame Dash’s ownership of Rocawear, Armadale Vodka, Roc Digital, America Magazine, and Pro-Keds possible.

  437. el_feces_loco Says:

    ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS ARTICLE IS THIS LINK..WHICH SHOULD KILL ALL THE “CAM CANT GET 8 DOLLARS PER ALBUM” TALK.

    http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=269

    Wendy Day: ” an artist with a major distibution deal can make 80% as opposed to an artist signed to a label making 12% after repaying most of the expenses. The real numbers could look like this: an artist owned label can make $8.00 a record from the first sale forward, compared to a signed artist making 80 cents a record after paying back most of the expenses (could mean not seeing a payment until record # 275,000).

    SHE THEN GOES ON TO EXPLAIN HOW SHE GOT CASH MONEY THE FIRST 80/20 SPLIT WITH THEM AND UNIVERSAL…

  438. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    EL – YOU KNOW JAY’S A JETS FAN RIGHT MAYBE THAT WILL LET SOME OF THE HATE OUT OF YOU. I MEAN SERIOUSLY YOU MAKE CAM SOUND LIKE A JAY FAN.
    A RAPPERS CAREER IS MADE BY THE RAPPER THE BUISNESS MAN NEEDS THE TALENT TO PROMOTE BUT WITHOUT THE TALENT THEY ARE NOTHING ( ULTIMATE HUSTLER HA ) SO F DAME AND JAY NEVER MET YOU THINK WE NEVER WOULD OF HEARD OF HIM JAY WOULDNT OF MET SOMEONE ELSE WITH LOOT TO BE PARTNERS WITH, AGAIN DID DAME INTRODUCE JAY TO BIGGIE KANE OR JAZ-O IM REALLY FAILING TO MAKE HE CONNECTION. DAME WAS THE GUY THAT WENT EVERYWHERE WITH JAY BUT EVERYONE WANTED TO SMACK BUT COULDNT CAUSE JAY WOULDNT ALLOW IT DAME SPENT SO MUCH TIME BEING THE ASSHOLE HE BURNED ALL HIS BRIDGES AND CANT EVEN FIGURE OUT WHAT BIULDING TO GO TO

  439. HATCHBACK Says:

    I give it 6 months, you can only look at pics of the Dipset so many times……

  440. The Truth... Says:

    A RAPPERS CAREER IS MADE BY THE RAPPER

    Bullshit!!!!!! You must not know what you’re talkin about…just leave it at that…

  441. Boosie Says:

    El feces,

    I’m 14 yrs old, you must be 12 nigga cause I never said that Dame wasnt part of the roc’s success that never came out of my mouth.

    You are griping of how jay supossedly got treated by jay financially.

    My question to you is, what should dame have got?

  442. Boosie Says:

    correction: you are griping of how dame suposedly got treated by jay.

  443. The Truth... Says:

    Boosie:

    >>>My question to you is, what should dame have got?

    You keep asking that, but did someone say Dame got fucked in that deal? Or that he didn’t get what he deserved? People are saying that the Roc’s success isn’t owed 100% to Jay and you keep comin back sayin “What should Dame have gotten then?”

  444. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    The Truth… Says:
    June 13th, 2006 at 11:14 am
    A RAPPERS CAREER IS MADE BY THE RAPPER

    Bullshit!!!!!! You must not know what you’re talkin about…just leave it at that…

    I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE GREAT RAPPERS OUT THERE NO ONE HAS HEARD OF BUT A GREAT BUISNESS MAN WILL ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING TO SELL IF DAMES SO GRAT HOW COME HE HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHIGN WITHOUT JAY??? AND A RAP CAREER LIKE JAY’S CAN ONLY BE MADE BY THE RAPPER OTHERWISE HIS LONGEVITY WOULD OF BEEN CUT SHORT

  445. Boosie Says:

    truth,

    Ok I feel you on that, but the only people are saying jay is 100 percent success of the roc are just fanatics, Honestly I dont know why dame feels cheated? Is he just basically mad that jay wanted to leave rocafella?

    All I’m saying is Jay presented dame with a deal. Now For some reason I dont really know why the Roc was sold for 30 million. That shit is suspect. Now if Jay presented dame with the deal and eventually bought him out why are people saying Jay Cheated dame?

    Are people mad that jay left? How is jay shady?

  446. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    I THINK DAME PLAYED A PART IN JAY’S SUCCESS BUT IF DAME WASNT AROUND I THINK JAY WOULD OF FOUND SOMEONE ELSE TO HELP HELP HIM WITH THE LOOT AND HE WOULD STILL BE SIR HOVA TODAY. WITHOUT JAY DAME AND CAM WOULD BE STUCK IN HARLEM

  447. The Truth... Says:

    I think if anything, Dame was just disappointed in the way things went…not for the money, but for the whole “Jay wanting to leave” situation….then of course, talking about money will get very dirty and unconfortable…especially between friends.

    And to be honest, I’m sure there’s shit that people don’t know about….we’re trying to figure out why people act.acted in certain ways, without knowing what exactly happened.
    ______________

    @tyronebiggums71

    In today’s music industry, the rapping/music side of an artist/album is only about 30-35% of the project/work/artist….the rest is business. That’s why your frase “A RAPPERS CAREER IS MADE BY THE RAPPER” is not true…at least for the heavy weights. If you don’t have your business, marketing, pubblicity, distributions, media on lock, you could have the dopest rapper/album and it would do fuck all. Or the other way around…..have a mentally challenged rapper that don’t know how to rap or is mad corny/wack and that shit will top the charts if his business side is right….we see this everyday now.

  448. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    DAME DIDNT DO ALL THAT FOR HIM THOUGH DEF JAM DID COME ON BE REAL I COULD OF SOLD JAY-Z WHO COULDNT

  449. HATCHBACK Says:

    How about this, not one of us really knows what went down, lets let Jay and Dame talk this one out, its gettin a lil to “chicken headish” in here, if ya know what i’m sayin…………..

  450. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ^^^ WORD

  451. Small Eyez Says:

    Cam is the offical Smart Dumb Cat….

    got us all fooled on the buisness side of things..man co-owns his own finanical group…

    now..if he could stop making garbage records…then it’d be offical.

  452. Doc Flav Says:

    The Truth and el feces understand what I mean. I say this and end mine. There would be no multiplatinum corporate label named “Jay Z” without the Roc, there would be no Roc without the idealism of Biggs, Dame and Jay, there would have been no Def Jam partnership without the Dame and Irv Gotti relationship, cause Irv got him in the door.

    Dame could still have been successful, lets not forget the multimillion dollar Rocawear was his idea. Jay could have still achieved success even though he didnt do so with Jaz O, Big Daddy Kane, Mista C, or Da Youngstas. Def Jam bought out the Roc, not Jay, the shareholders of Rocawear, which included Jay bought out Dames share of Rocawear not Jay Z by himself. Jay Z is a successful dude, but some of you give him too much credit and play Dame Dash like he was a nonfactor.

    Didnt Dame sign Kanye?

  453. Front Says:

    # tyronebiggums71 Says:
    June 13th, 2006 at 8:16 am

    eskay Says:
    June 13th, 2006 at 8:13 am
    >>Oh yea, owning Subways are stupid.

    say word opening your own business is stupid

    YEAH MAKING MONEY IS REALLY DUMB JUST SPEND SHIT YOU DONT HAVE THATS HOW YOU DO IT

    Listen up you dumbass ghetto e-thugs. Subways are fucking horrible franchises. The corporation makes you sign up to a very restricted franchise contract, and then moves in on your business if you do very well. The upside of owning a Subway franchise, practically anybody can start one with their tax return. But compare Subway franchise policies to Carl Jr.’s. Fucking night and day. I’ve been to Carl Jr.’s where waitresses bring you the food, and I’ve been to ones where it was drive-thru only. Let me break it down really easy for you guys:

    Owning a business means nothing more than you own a business. Owning a good business is a good thing. Owning a bad business is a bad thing.

  454. iLL Change Says:

    Front Says:
    June 13th, 2006 at 1:05 am

    Ill change, you have a seriously stupid definition of classic. I mean a classic NFL play doesn’t define football. A classic joke doesn’t define humour. But even in your messed up context, this is what I think:

    Black Album defines Jay-Z.

    Oh you’re right. i dont know what i was thinking when i stated my idea of a classic. i was completely wrong. so i guess Reasonable Doubt and The Black Album arent really classic after all then. they were just mediocre releases that dont define anything at all. and while were at it, fuck Jay-Z. fuck Roc-A-Fella, fuck Def Jam, and fuck the Nets. fuck Roc-A-Wear, fuck S. Dot sneakers. Jay-Z doesnt define hip hop at all. actually, he doesnt define anything. he’s insignificant in relation to whatever he tries to do. want me to keep going?

  455. iceberg slim Says:

    here some info for el loco who was saying camron paper was as long as jays………..one or two mil does not compare……..he has to sell a lot more sizzurp and pink hummers on ebay
    Until recently, P.Diddy (if that’s the name yet) was considered to be the wealthiest rapper in the hip-hop business. Now he takes the second place, as Jay Z. simply blew him off the track. The wealth of “Jigga” is now estimated to around 320 million USD coming from the gold mine Roc-A-Fella Records, where Jay-Z is a co-owner together with Damon Dash.
    P.Diddy claims he’s not jelous of his close friend, but he won’t give up and considers to grab back to the first place in 2006. He says “I’m just proud of Jay-z, I’m happy it’s one of my friends. We’re gonna trade that number one spot back and forth. He’ll give it back to me next year”. Currently the man who’s behind hits like “Victory”, “Been Around the World”, “I’ll be Missing You” is ‘only’ 5 million dollars behind Jay-Z, who has 315 million.
    His competition says “It’s all in the plan, I didn’t even expect it this year” (we hope Jay-Z recovers fast after the unexpected news

  456. IF Says:

    Media Ideas: Platinum Entrepreneur

    The NahRight site says:Features include a primer on Soundscan from Wendy Day, a “Fatty of the Month” feature that the guys should enjoy, and interviews with Sharon Benjamin of Elite Financial Management, and Wilbur Gonzales of The Corcoran Group real…

  457. vesybnvs Says:

    cams’ got his fukin head on his shoulders…

  458. Cashbank Says:

    CHAmilliionaire, he’s hella bootsee! E-40 is the ambassador of the bay,(mo mail than the rest of the pushers) period. Twista, really cant say thats my peoples me being from detroit, the CHI is our family also. But forealz forealz ESHAM got more money than CAM, TWISTA and that wack ass houston nigga.(I gots love for Houston though) Run a check East Side Hoes And Money. Take That!!

  459. Insane Macbeth Says:

    VERY BBBIIIGGG!!!

    http://www.insanemacbeth.com
    http://www.myspace.com/officialinsanemacbeth

  460. dipset Says:

    is this the same boosie that just came out with that corny zoom shit suck a dick no homo

  461. JR Says:

    I hate camron cant stand his ignorant ass

  462. DAnTEL Says:

    thank you

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