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GZA Speaks on Jay-Z Battle

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Halftimeonline.com has a new interview with the Gza up. One of the subjects that comes up is the rumored battle him and Jay had back in Brooklyn way back before the Wu and Rocafella Dynasties ever got off the ground.

Halftime: I want to talk about back in the days when you used to go around town just battling cats. There was a rumor that you and Jay-Z battled one time. Is there any truth to that and if so what was the outcome of that one?

GZA: Yea, that’s true. It wasn’t like a battle but we came across each other’s paths. Actually it was me and Dirty. We ran into Jay-Z in Bushwick. We used to go to Ansar Ru Allah community, it was this whole community of Muslims, to go buy the wheat pizza and they used to have this talent show every week. We weren’t performing against each other but we happened to run into him one time out there. We were like yea we emcee and he was like he emcee and we went back and forth with a couple of darts and that was that. He was very arrogant at the time….

Halftime: At the time? haha

GZA: Aiight, he still is. He was very cocky. We weren’t as cocky but we were just as confident. So we both had the vibe like yea you ain’t do nothing to me. We had the same type of attitude but it was all cool. He was rhyming much much faster, you remember how he used to rhyme. He was super fast back then. He’s a clever emcee, he’s always got it and he’s still nice. I’ll give it to him. He put his work in. But that was that it wasn’t no Kool Moe Dee vs. Busy Bee situation. We just went back and forth with a few verses and that was that. He was asked about it on MTV. Sway asked him like, ‘You battled GZA, you beat Genius?’ and Jay-Z was like c’mon man.

Everybody knows I’m a huge Jay fan, but I can totally see GZA eating him in a battle, especially back when he was rhyming like Chip Fu.  


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162 Responses to “GZA Speaks on Jay-Z Battle”

  1. reggaetonslasher Says:

    1st biotches

  2. D. Billz Says:

    I agree Es. When he was rhyming with Original Flavor he was nice. But GZA is a force to be reckoned with, even to this day. Anybody cop that GZA vs. DJ Muggs joint? I heard it was hot and I’m thinkin’ about coppin’ it. And Jay definitely avoided answering that question, lol.

    Btw, I love NobodySmiling.com, but come on mannnn… not one Jay video, even the old joints? Smells like hateration.

  3. uneckbone Says:

    Everybody knows I’m a huge Jay fan, but I can totally see GZA eating him in a battle, especially back when he was rhyming like Chip Fu.

    ^lol

  4. eskay Says:

    >>Anybody cop that GZA vs. DJ Muggs joint?

    yeah it’s fire.

  5. reggaetonslasher Says:

    yea i just said the other day how gza is so underated, hes clever and precise, very clear in his words. jay used to rap like the Fu Schnickens

  6. Luis Says:

    ehhhh! Next thread please!

  7. reggaetonslasher Says:

    lol just got finished watching fu schnickens, Nas ether is so much more damaging

  8. uneckbone Says:

    hey luis, why do you even come here if your always bitchin?

  9. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    D.BILLZ – STOP WHAT YOUR DOING AND GO COP THAT GRANDMASTERS NOW NOT NOW BUT RIGHT NOW. THAT ALBUM IS RIDONKULOUS HOMIE. GZA AND MUGGS IS A PERFECT COMBINATION ALBUM SURPASSED MY EXPECTATIONS.
    ALSO DID YOU HEAR THAT GAGE MIXTAPE YET? I DOWNLOADED IT LATE LAST NIGHT BUT HAVENT REALLY BEEN ABLE TO CHECK IT OUT YET WONDERING IF YOU HAVE?

    I COULD ALSO SEE GZA WINNING IN A BATTLE BACK THEN BUT NOT NOW I THINK JAY IS TOO SMART AND CLEVER, THE BIGGEST REASON WHY I THINK HE WON THE NAS BATTLE IS BECAUSE HE USED TRUTHS, HE USED THE WAY THAT NAS FANS AND NAS HATERS FELT ABOUT HIM. HE FELT THE PULSE AND HE KNEW WHAT WOULD GET THE BIGGEST REACTIONS AND NOW SINCE HE HAS SLOWED DOWN IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. BUT GZA IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL OF AN M.C. BUT IF THEY REALLY BATTLED BATTLED THAT WOULD B SOME SHIT.

    I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO SET UP A BATTLE ROYAL M.C. TOURNAMENT A SWEET 16 TYPE SHIT AND JUST HAVE ALL THESE CATS GO HARD AS FUCK TRYING TO OUT DO EACH OTHER, NOT ON SOME BEEF SHIT JUST ON SOME TALENT SHIT SHIT WOULD BE CRAZY.

    ALSO I’VE HEARD THAT JAY AND DMX USED TO HAVE CLASSIC BATTLES ON THE STREETS ON THE REGULAR

  10. deez Says:

    yea i always heard rumors about this ‘battle’

    also, you hear about the one wear canibus battled all of the wu and was winning until killah priest served him?

  11. uneckbone Says:

    damn i’d love to hear that gza muggs mixtape. can’t find it anywhere.

    *wonders what happened to battle of the beats*

  12. eskay Says:

    holla at me tonight uneck, I’ll send it to you.

  13. uneckbone Says:

    thx homey. i sent you that new pap off the new kay slay. its iight.

  14. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ^^^ ITS NOT A MIXTAPE ITS AN ALBUM ITS CALLED GRANDMASTERS WHATEVER YOU ARE DOING FUCK IT GO COP IT NOW. GO TO SAM GOODY CIRCUIT CITY ORDER IT OFF AMAZON JUST COP IT AND COP IT NOW THE SHIT IS CRAZY NICE. IT REALLY GIVES YOU THAT OLD WU FEEL ( IM NOT SAYING ITS NO LUQUID SWORDS BUT WHAT IS? BUT IT IS A DAMN GOOD ALBUM

  15. Darth Cipher Says:

    grandmasters is some hype shit man, G-GZA-Genius… so underated and is prolly one of the best battlers in the Wu next to INS and RZA… and i heard bout that story on a clinton sparkz mixtape, that women on shade45 used to manage the Wu and she said how they had an actual battle where GZA ate him alive, and jay didnt say anything cause he knew it was true… so i think they’ve had more then one battle in there time… Cannibus spits some mean fire, but i cant see him going through the whole Wu Clan… Killah Priest is mad dirty though, i would hate to be getting served by him on the mic haha

  16. uneckbone Says:

    hmmm. i’m askin around my office and everyone hear is a serious hiphop head. nobody’s heard of it.

    *feels out of the loop*

  17. Darth Cipher Says:

    Liquid Swords is a Wu-Tang Classic… hall of fame album no doubt

  18. D. Billz Says:

    @ Ty and Es… good lookin’ out on the co-sign, lol. I wish I could just walk the fuck outta this wack ass cubicle and go cop it at Sound Garden (anybody ever come to B’more, go there and cop your joints… got all you need). Or Record & Tape Traders (2 Locations) or CDepot (1 location). This white dude in Sound Garden was hypin’ that Grandmasters joint big time when I was in there (re)coppin’ Liquid Swords and the Iron Man joints. Woulda bought it that day, but I try to stay under the $20 limit when coppin’ cds in one day. [Bootleg mixtapes don’t count] :)

    Ty, I still haven’t got to hear any Gage music yet. If The Doc signed him he should at least be decent. But I’m waitin for Datpiff to post it so that I can listen to it.

    And yeah, I definitely would like to see a PPV of a Royal Battle type jumpoff. Shit, I’d order that one myself!

  19. IM THE SHIT Says:

    THAT NIGGA JOE88 IS A BITCH ASS NIGGA HE GOT YALL NIGGAS FOOLED IF YALL THINK HE IS A GANGSTA

  20. STEELS KITCHEN Says:

    BUSHWICK

  21. reggaetonslasher Says:

    i heard about the cannibus wu battle too, but I also heard some dude named journalist served killah priest

  22. E From BK Says:

    What’s funny is that there are alot of young kids that don’t know the Wu’s influence on Hip Hop. Everyone of them dudes can rock out. I remember when I had that white label Protect Your Neck(I used to work with RZA’s sister and U-God’s moms) I used to blast that in my little Nissan Sentra(*laughs at that thought*). My favorite was actually ODB. In those early days I just felt he was most versatile. Meth had dope collabos and a single or two off each album, but those albums were trash. However, lyrically I respected GZA the most. “Niggas so stingy, they got short arms and deep pockets!” Classic B!

  23. the green eyed bandit Says:

    chip fu!!!!!!

    “BREAKDOWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNN!”

    damn eskay! you brought some much needed nostalgia back to me today. remember them cats in there first video flying around NY in a chinese take out container? whats the name of that one……I need to youtube that video.

  24. T. Okes Says:

    “He was very cocky. We weren’t as cocky but we were just as confident.”

    lol doesn’t cocky = overconfident?

  25. Foekist Says:

    I wouldn’t mind seeing a Battle Royal type joint too. I think it would force cats to step their game up lyrically, and take the focus off all this materialism. Maybe this could possibly filter out one or two D4L’s in the world. Speakin of those clowns, how the hell is BET gonna have them niggas judging a freestyle battle on Spring Bling, I couldn’t believe what my eyes were seeing.

  26. the green eyed bandit Says:

    and yeah I have to agree, I think Gza would win that one. Jay would get a lot of good lines in….its pretty easy to make fun of some of the stuff the wu is into……but the gza against jays old style? its done.

    I think a more fitting battle would be gza vs. nas

  27. Darth Cipher Says:

    i feel you on that white label protect ya neck… ODB came with some serious fire in the older Wu shit, mad skillz no doubt bout it man…RIP ODB… he always came with that grimey style that made you laugh and go OH SHIT SON!!!…

  28. uneckbone Says:

    cocky is making your confidence more than obvious. not always a good thing if its not necessary.

  29. Brendan Says:

    Listen to Liquid Swords every October, its great for fall.
    I just got Grandmasters…for cheap too!

  30. the green eyed bandit Says:

    @D.Billz –

    what are some good stores around your way to buy some wax? I am also interested in picking up B-more club.

  31. Darth Cipher Says:

    cocky = arragance in pride

  32. Darth Cipher Says:

    GZA and Nas would bea good battle, but again i think i gotta give it to GZA, but that battle would come down to the wire for sure… cause Nas wouldnt fold to easy

  33. uneckbone Says:

    i can’t see nas beating gza. also, i don’t see nas as a real good battle rapper.

    *ducks*

  34. reggaetonslasher Says:

    Listen to Liquid Swords every October, its great for fall.

    ^ thats funny me too, its very winterish (cold world)

  35. D. Billz Says:

    @ Reggaeton slasher

    I don’t know if Journalist served Killah Preist, but Journ is nice! He’s outta Philly and probably one of THEE most slept on MC’s, period. If you can find his album or some old mixtapes, go cop ’em.

  36. Darth Cipher Says:

    oh and fuck BET, there freestyle battles are completely biased… i dunno if you seen that chick from new orleans but she won her first battle and every battle after that she should of fucking lsot, chick came with the same old wack ass rhymes week after week and they kept giving it too her like she was something, them NY dudes murdered her each time… shit gets me vex… fuck 106 & Park, the only thing good bout spring bling was uncut cause we actually got too see some nice booty on a beach(which shouldnt be a treat, it should be an apparent scene)

  37. Darth Cipher Says:

    no doubt ima look into journalist… his name alone makes me like him(being an inspiring journalist myself)

  38. E From BK Says:

    @uneckbone

    I don’t think any of them are “battle rappers”, they are much better than that. A battle between them could not be a traditional “battle”. They would have to go verse to verse and then be judged on who’s verse was hotter. In that instance I don’t know who would win.

  39. uneckbone Says:

    ^well, i’m a nas hater at heart. so gza wins.

  40. reggaetonslasher Says:

    uneckbone what reasons would there be to hate on GodSon

  41. reggaetonslasher Says:

    hes one of the realest mc’s, if not the realest humble yet he still manages to bring the raw pure hip hop

  42. uneckbone Says:

    i feal the complete opposite of you slasher. i love illmatic and some underground songs from nas, but i feal he is the complete opposite of real. he is one of the greatest poets whose name should be up there with pac, unlike pac though, he often tries to conform to industry standards rather than coming through with some genuine creativity. i feel it is a waste of talent and i refuse to support it. i will say though, that i am giving him a chance with the next album. since jay has already clearly listed the problems fans have with nas, hopefully he can influence his next album to actually be something of value.

  43. reggaetonslasher Says:

    i guess so, but songs like Made you Look, he managed to keep it gutter, and still have comercial appeal

  44. uneckbone Says:

    dammit, i should’ve waited till 5 to smoke. can’t even spell feel

  45. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    D.BILLZ – THE GAGE SHIT IS ON DATPIFF NOW THATS WHERE I DOWNLOADED IT FROM, LIKE I SAID I HAVENT HAD THE CHANCE TO CHECK IT OUT YET BUT ITS WAITING AT HOME FOR ME.

  46. uneckbone Says:

    slasher, i feel such disgust for nas, it would take more than a single to change my mind. i need to have a song hit home. to see that he’s not on that old shit persay, but that he is using his music as a showcase of his talent, not as a tool to generate income.

  47. Darth Cipher Says:

    im scard for nas’ next album, i have a feeling its gunna be so commercial that its gunna ruin him, cause like you said Jay is adressing his problems, and Jay is so damn commercial its unbelievable…i hope nas continues to do him and not change cause if your a fan of dude and understand where hes coming from then really whats to hate obut his approach on hiphop so far… i think he’d be better if he didnt try to please everyone and just did his thing, i mean he’s humble enough as it is and hes got the poetry style like we’ve mentioned… but so far im not liking the approach ther etaking with him, from collabos to the unknown great producers he’s working with… i got a feeling its not gunna be up too par, and i really hope that doesnt happen

  48. reggaetonslasher Says:

    agree with darth, but Im sure one of his homies or maybe even premiere will pull his coat and let the nigga know to stay focused

  49. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    uneckbone Says:
    April 17th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
    i feal the complete opposite of you slasher. i love illmatic and some underground songs from nas, but i feal he is the complete opposite of real. he is one of the greatest poets whose name should be up there with pac, unlike pac though, he often tries to conform to industry standards rather than coming through with some genuine creativity. i feel it is a waste of talent and i refuse to support it. i will say though, that i am giving him a chance with the next album. since jay has already clearly listed the problems fans have with nas, hopefully he can influence his next album to actually be something of value.

    THATS MY EXACT FEELING ON NAS. YEA MADE YOU LOOK WAS HOT, POSION WAS HOT BUT THATS IT RECENTLY O YEA I FUCK WITH THAT SONG HE DID WITH QUAN ( BUT THAT WAS QUAN’S SONG ). ILLMATIC WAS THAT SHIT IT WAS WRITTEN WAS CRAZY ILL ( WEVE BEEN OVER THIS EVEN THOUGH IT WAS WRITTEN BY CORMEGA ) I AM WAS EHHH? NASTRADAMUS WAS HOT GARBAGE STILLMATIC PURE TRASH STREET DISCPILES MORE HOT GARBAGE.

    MY BIGGEST THING WITH NAS IS HE DISAPPOINTED ME I USED TO BE SUCH A BIG FAN BUT EVERY CD HE CAME OUT WITH JUST DISAPPOINTED ME MORE AND MORE I BEGAN TO LOOK AT HIM AS JUST STRAIGHT UP WASTED TALENT.

    I ALSO AGREE WITH HIM FAKING THE FUNK DUDE IS SO CONFUSED ABOUT WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE WANTS TO REPRESENT BUT I HONESTLY THINK HE HAS HIS HEAD ON STRAIGHT NOW AND JAY WILL HELP PUSH HIM TO MAKE ANOTHER CLASSIC AND BRING THAT HYBERNATING TALENT OUT

  50. D. Billz Says:

    @ green eyed bandit

    DJ K-Swift and DJ Rod Lee both got about 3 or 4 volumes of club music on cd. They have the biggest presence in B’more as far as club music. For ol’ school joints, check out DJ Scottie B and DJ Quicksilva.

    Record and Tape Traders is a good place to pick up vinyl. There are a couple others but I can’t remember the name. I’ll keep you posted when I find out.

    Can’t believe outsiders diggin’ the Club music, that’s crazy lol.

  51. eskay Says:

    >.Jay is so damn commercial its unbelievable

    is he really though, or does he just have commericial appeal. for instance a song like Change Clothes is blatantly commercial, but joints like 99 Problems or Encore may have commercial appeal but are still bangers. If Jay can help Nas walk that fine line, we should be good.

  52. uneckbone Says:

    ^thats the only reason i’m giving him a chance.

  53. Foekist Says:

    eskay Says:

    April 17th, 2006 at 2:12 pm
    >.Jay is so damn commercial its unbelievable

    is he really though, or does he just have commericial appeal. for instance a song like Change Clothes is blatantly commercial, but joints like 99 Problems or Encore may have commercial appeal but are still bangers. If Jay can help Nas walk that fine line, we should be good.
    ——————
    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being commercial honestly, as long as your still being yourself while you’re being commercial. Just because your work has mass appeal doesn’t mean you’re selling out. Who’s to say that Jay personally/mentally hasn’t’ matured into an artist that really feels what he’s putting out? Selling your soul and being commercial are two different things.

  54. Foekist Says:

    Commercial (in most cases) = More $… Let’s not forget that it’s a BUSINESS.

  55. uneckbone Says:

    ^cosign. i think jay has mass appeal and puts out records that make him more widely appreciated while sticking with the same topics and style that got him to that point. unlike the other rapper (won’t say name to avoid stan uprising) who used the hood and mixtapes to create a buzz that was never before seen, only to become the person that he criticized.

  56. D. Billz Says:

    LOL @ stan uprising. Dude said that like they are the Gremlins or some shit. Damn Stan Clan.

  57. Foekist Says:

    Even though I am (or was, depending on the day) a Mobb Deep fan, they are more on the line of sellouts in my opinion. They even said it in so many words. First offense was them with 112, then they go from sonning a whole borough damn near to being 50’s little weed carriers. It was no doubt a wise business move, but I dunno….. I guess you can’t knock the hustle.

  58. E From BK Says:

    Jay definitely walks that line, but it is a line that he created. I think Jay is as successful as he is because he made millions of people buy into himself. Isn’t that what the groundbreaking groups have done? Look at P.E., N.W.A, Outkast and Run DMC. These artists were able to create a niche in the culture that made everybody want to like them. Big Daddy Kane did that. He had a huge following, but then look what happened. He did some questionable collabos and people felt betrayed. Now, nobody can deny Kane’s position in Hip Hop, but what could it have become? I think Nasir has a chance to rectify some earlier questionable decisions. Oh yeah, I feel like I’m the only one who liked Street’s Disciple. What was so bad about it?

  59. Darth Cipher Says:

    the reason i say hes commercial is because listening to his old stuff, like before reasonable doubt, he had that fast flow and his lyrics were straight bout the talent he had, now majority of his rhymes are about the business he has and the clothes, hes not saying hes got rocks and shit(unless i’ve missed some lines) but honestly whats the difference betqween him saying everything hes got business wise like we dont know, and people like G-unit reminding us constantley about everything they got(supposedly) you know what im saying… i admit hes got tracks that bring you back to that thinkn diff mentality and understanding, but he always follows up with a look what i can do/did/or get with my money

  60. Darth Cipher Says:

    see right now we gotta tihnk, which jay-z is gunna talk to nas, the underground tihnk bout the music jay, or the i gotta make as much money as possible for my def jam company Jay… and thats something we will be able to judge once the album drops… think of nas’ album as the truth to what Jay is about… i hope Jay is bout the real hiphop and doesnt turn nas into a commercial tool for his company

  61. buscoliti Says:

    I would have loved to see gza and jay battle. But they are two totally different people you can appreciate.

    When I want to learn about science and religion, stars, epistemology, humanism, the making of mankind. I’m a go straight to Gza. Cause he gives insights, like no other. The difference is he might be the most lyrical but not might be the best MC.

    I’m a nas fan and I bought that Streets disciple, I was really disappointed. The first song was straight butter. Then it just went off into a new territory. There was nothing cohesive about it. I just didnt feel like a nas album. He was talking about marriage and shit, remember the times had a hot beat, but the subject manner was off.

    It was like blue print 2 a lot of filler. Songs that you make and just throw in the garbage. I AM was fire and gutter. Disciple was all over the place. Mainly, the problem was the vision was wrong and it wasn’t packaged right. It had no theme. No cohesiveness. It felt like it was just casually made.

  62. D. Billz Says:

    Hey Ty Biggs… I’m listening to G.A.G.E. now… umm… save your blank cds for somethin’ better chief.

    In the meantime, I’ll be lookin’ for some Journalist material, probably the best MC outta Philly.

    *ducks from blunt objects being thrown*

  63. The Landlord Says:

    …i liked street’s disciple too, but Nas should’ve skimmed a few of them joints off and made it a one-disc epic…it’s hard to get love on a 2-disc release, especially coming of the heels of godson and stillmatic, mediocre work by Nas standards

  64. The Landlord Says:

    ^^*correction*
    off

  65. reggaetonslasher Says:

    since foe mentioned mobbdeep is it me, or is prodigy starting to sound like his boss?.

  66. E From BK Says:

    Looking at some of these posts sparked a question in my mind. I know that this site runs the gamut as far as age is concerned. I want to know from the younger cats on here; why is it that the majority of you all don’t like to listen to conscience Hip Hop. The type of Hip Hop that PRT, PE, BDP and other groups used to do. Why don’t most of you care about lyrics? I’m asking because I had a conversation with a friend and he surmised that it was just an age thing. I pointed out to him that that can’t be the reason. I say that because I was young at one time and all I wanted to hear was BDP or PE and emcees that took the time out to construct lyircs not just hooks.

  67. reggaetonslasher Says:

    the only thing jay is going to help nas with, is aquiring better beats, Nas lyrics dont get the beats they need, If dre, premo, kanye, just blaze and rza suppy nas beats, album will be certified banga.

  68. Darth Cipher Says:

    yeah agrred with the street disciple talk, some of them songs really should of been reconsidered… he didnt need a double cd on it just one, take of the extra and that american way song, god i hate that song… but overall there were some nice tracks on there even though it is in no way better then some of his best…

  69. reggaetonslasher Says:

    the reason that was a double cd, was because it was a story, you cant edit life.

  70. G Off Says:

    SD was hot for what it was. He wasn’t trying to sell 10 million copies of it. He put a lot of songs about love and commitment, but he was getting married at the time. I thought it was hot that he put it out there like that. Obviously it’s not an all-time classic, but there are plenty of nice joints on there (especially “Thief’s Theme”).

    I wish someone would write a book with stories like this one. You always hear the bullshit interviews about the new record, my new label, blah blah blah. But, for a real fan, hearing these stories of mc’s crossing paths when they are trying to come up are way more interesting.

  71. reggaetonslasher Says:

    who else talks about getting aids, and you hear a person on their death bed actually rhyming, someone earlier mentioned Nas aint as creative,…. whats more creative than that

  72. reggaetonslasher Says:

    no doubt g off^

  73. D. Billz Says:

    Maybe I’m being overzealous, but I think “Theif’s Theme” was one of the most creative joints Nas ever did. The concept behind the video and the lyrics itself was enough to hold my interests. And anybody who knows the history know the title was taken from a Illmatic joint. I thought that joint along with the song with Quan was at least gonna put him in the 1 mil sales bracket. But I guess not.

  74. Darth Cipher Says:

    well being 18 i can honestly say i care moreabout a lyric then a beat… i mostly listen to ATCQ, mos def, talib kweli, de la soul, the wu, nas, jay, BDP, mf doom, jean grae, common and so on… i used to be a heavy mainstream hiphop lover, but after hearing what was underground/indie/or just not played in the likes of those characters, my whole mind state changed in music and i realised that its not that its an age thing but more of an ignorance, cause if you dont know whats out there you wont care for it, when you used to seeing songs that are mainly hooks thats all you going to want, and its also accessibility, if you dont see or find other artist then you wont know whats going on… blame the radio and tv music networks cause they really dont look into those tihng, they just play which ever company pays them the most to play there stuff

  75. Plug industries AKA the Regulator Says:

    I’m just coming in and it seems as if you guys are saying street disiples is a good nas album when it’s clearly the worst. I am reading this wrong, right?

  76. reggaetonslasher Says:

    i dont usually post lyrics but i gotta do this for the none believers

    Yeah.. aiyyo it’s poison

    [Chorus]
    Ecstasy, coke – you say it’s love, it is poison
    Schools where I learned they should be burned, it is poison
    Physicians prescriptin us medicine – which is poison
    Doctors injectin our infants – with the poison

    [Verse One]
    Religion misoverstood is poison
    Niggaz up in my hood be gettin shot – given poison
    In hospitals, shots riddle the block
    Little, children and elderly women run for they lives
    Drizzlin rain come out the sky every time somebody dies
    Must be out my fuckin mind, what is this, the hundreth time?
    Sendin flowers to funerals, readin rest in peace
    You know the usual, death comes in threes
    Life is short is what some nigga said
    Not if you measure life – by how one lives and what he did
    And funny how these black killer companies is makin money off us
    Fast food, cola, soda, Skull & Bone crosses, it’s all poison

    [Chorus]

    [Verse Two]
    Religion misoverstood is poison
    Sisters up in my hood try to do good given choices
    When pregnant, drop out of school or have abortions
    Stop workin hopin that they find a man that will support them
    Up late night, on they mother’s cordless
    Thinkin a perm or bleach and cream will make them better when they gorgeous
    White girls tannin, lyposuction
    Fake titties are implanted, fake lips that’s life destruction
    Light-skinned women, bi-racial hateful toward themselves
    Denyin even they blood
    I don’t judge Tiger Woods but I, overstand the mental poison
    That’s even worser than drugs – yo it’s poison

    [Chorus]

    [Nas]
    Religion misoverstood is poison
    Radio and TV poison, white Jesus poison
    And any thoughts of takin me down is poison
    Who want beef now, my heat shall annoint them, plaow

    [Interlude]
    Never to worry
    All the wrong doers got it coming back to ’em a thousand times over
    Every dog has it’s day, and everything flips around
    Even the most greatest nation in the world has it comin back to ’em
    Everybody reaps what they sews, that’s how it goes
    Innocent lives will be taken, it may get worse but we’ll get through it
    Y’all, be strong

    [Verse Three]
    The China-men built the railroad, the Indians saved the Pilgrim
    And in return the Pilgrim killed ’em
    They call it it Thanksgiving, I call your holiday hell-day
    Cause I’m from poverty, neglected by the wealthy
    Me and my niggaz share gifts, e’ryday like Christmas
    Slay bitches, and party e’ryday like this is the last
    I’m with my heckles, connectin and we hittin the lab
    This is my level, fuck if it get you mad
    It’s all poison, all of my words to enemies it is poison
    Rappers only talk about ki’s, it’s all poison
    How could you call yourself MC’s? You ain’t poison
    Think about the kids you mislead, with the poison
    And any thoughts of taking me down is all poison
    Who want beef now, my heat shall annoint them, plaow

    [Hook]
    What goes around comes around my nigga
    And what goes up it must come down my nigga
    The soldiers found below the ground my nigga
    Just hold it down we older now my nigga
    What goes around comes around my nigga
    And what goes up it must come down my nigga
    The soldiers found below the ground my nigga
    Just hold it down we older now my nigga

    [Verse Four]
    This nigga Ike with the Iverson jersey, light-skinned with herpes
    Fuckin sisters in Harlem, Brooklyn and D.C.
    This is the problem cause he never tell ’em he got it
    from lettin fags suck him off, Rikers Island in nine-three
    Drives a Benz, hangs at all the parties, all the concerts
    Backstage where the stars be, rockin they shirts
    in bitches faces like clockwork – what’s your name, where you from?
    Chain blingin, thinkin girls everywhere is dumb
    Takin pride in ruinin they lives
    So they could never have babies, and they could never be wives
    He never used a condom, give him head he got ya
    Met the wrong bitch and now he dead from the monster AIDS
    I contemplate, believin in karma
    Those on top could just break, and won’t be eatin tomorrow
    I know some bitches who be sleepin on niggaz dreams, they leave
    When that nigga blow, she the first bitch on her knees
    Knowin dudes that’s neglectin they seeds
    Instead of takin care of ’em they spendin money on trees
    I pray for you, deadbeat daddies
    Cause when them kids get grown it’s too late for you
    Now you old and you gettin shitted on
    It’s all scientific, mystic, you know the Earth and the stars
    Don’t hesitate to say you heard it from Nas
    What is destined shall be
    George Bush killer ’til George Bush kills me
    Much blessings be healthy, remember

    [Hook]

  77. E From BK Says:

    @Darth Cipher

    Do your friends share the same love for lyrics or are they more into the Laffy Taffy type of music?

  78. Darth Cipher Says:

    i got a good group of friends who share my same interest, because were not just into hiphop, we branch out you know… i find its the people that dont branch out and listen to other things are the ones who are strickly on that laffy taffy crap… i can openly ask people “did you hear the dangerdoom album” and they’ll be on point with me… tohugh i do have some friends who are so mainstream it makes me sick to talk to them cause i wonna slap them across there face for the dumb shit they think is music, let alone hiphop… snap music is not hip hop, same way dancehall is not reggae

  79. The Landlord Says:

    …Nas’ creative lyrical skills havent waned, it’s just like reggaetonslasher said earlier, he needs better beats…MUCH better beats…i know salaam remi and L.E.S. is his mans, but it’s time for a new soundscape…Hova should make sure Nas gets the right soundtrack, just like Jigga made sure Freeway’s production was fire on his first cd

  80. reggaetonslasher Says:

    ^ yup YUP

  81. Foekist Says:

    E From BK Says:

    April 17th, 2006 at 2:46 pm
    Jay definitely walks that line, but it is a line that he created. I think Jay is as successful as he is because he made millions of people buy into himself. Isn’t that what the groundbreaking groups have done? Look at P.E., N.W.A, Outkast and Run DMC. These artists were able to create a niche in the culture that made everybody want to like them. Big Daddy Kane did that. He had a huge following, but then look what happened. He did some questionable collabos and people felt betrayed. Now, nobody can deny Kane’s position in Hip Hop, but what could it have become? I think Nasir has a chance to rectify some earlier questionable decisions. Oh yeah, I feel like I’m the only one who liked Street’s Disciple. What was so bad about it?

    —————-

    The beats, for one.

  82. D. Billz Says:

    ” same way dancehall is not reggae”

    I disagree with that statement, but I see your point.

  83. eskay Says:

    I could not stand Street’s Disciple. it had it’s moments, but if we could go back in time and erase that album from existence I’d be all for it.

  84. reggaetonslasher Says:

    foe can you honestly say that Nas has come up short lyrically or hes collabed with the wrong people, pls explain your point

  85. E From BK Says:

    @Foekist

    I just did not see anything wrong with the beats. It was refreshing to hear an album about being a grown up. It’s insane that the genre has taken a step backwards. At it’s height, Hip Hop was a mature music that enlightened and educated. Yes, back then there were tales of criminality but at least there was variety. Now it seems like when someone is having grown folks convo it’s not acceptible. To me that is regressing. Regardless of the “beats” the subject matter was vital.

  86. Darth Cipher Says:

    trust me Billz… dancehall and reggae are too totally different things, dancehall is all about clubs and jams, music played when your going out… reggae is storytelling, love music, the voice of the people… there really different

  87. Foekist Says:

    reggaetonslasher Says:

    April 17th, 2006 at 3:28 pm
    foe can you honestly say that Nas has come up short lyrically or hes collabed with the wrong people, pls explain your point
    —————–

    I would love to answer that question, but I only listened to it once, and that was one too many times.

  88. eskay Says:

    ^ yeah I’d agree with Cipher

    E from BK, I hear what your saying about SD and I agree subject matter wise that album was on point. the problem is, if it’s not musically up to par, nobody is really gonna get to hear the message. sad but it’s true.

  89. Darth Cipher Says:

    yeah no doubt, the things nas was talking bout in that album was straight relevant to his life and what he felt people needed to know what was on his mind, cant hate a man for saying how he feels… though he could of done it better, i to feel like he just had thoughts in his mind that he let loose in an album…

  90. reggaetonslasher Says:

    the intro in streets diciples alone shows the range of emotions Nas was dealing with, you guys dont want pureness from the heart songs. Seems like you want a coorperate structured album, with a song about a girl you feeling, a club banga. a posse cut, a triumphant how I beat the odds song. What you all are forgetting this is Nas mr illmatic himself, he can get that, he can make 10 critically acclaimed albums with shit for record sales and still get that. this is the same dude that said when its his time to go I wait for God with my fo-fo.. You say you want ill hip hop, how much more Ill can you get?. Nigiz

  91. uneckbone Says:

    i’m sticking with nas left his talent in a queensbridge dumpster.

  92. E From BK Says:

    @Eskay

    I definitely hear you on that. My brother and I have had this discussion on SD and we definitely agreed that it was too long. Is strunken to one cd it could have been a classic.

  93. el_feces_loco Says:

    G,A,G,E …IS WEAK….WTF IS THIS NEGGA TALKIN BOUT?

    GZA ONE OF THE PURIST SPITTERS…NEGGA SOUNDS SO EFFORTLESS BUT THE DARTS BE SHARP…

  94. Darth Cipher Says:

    see even GZA agrees, length can be a factor in rhymes… plus his lyrics make you think

    Verse One: The Genius/GZA

    Yo, too many songs, weak rhymes that’s mad long
    Make it brief Son, half short, twice strong
    No doubt, it took time searchin, eventually
    it was prime urgent, for you to examine the rhyme merchant
    Lace MC’s with styles when they rhyme drunk
    On a label hunt, until twenty thou, out the trunk
    Eight Diagram sword swinga armored tank force
    RZA throw in the disc but then change the bank source
    You can’t flow, must be the speech impediment
    You got lost off the snare off Impeach the President
    Whether in Amsterdam smokin seven grams of green
    then you pack, a thousand white teens in tight jeans
    This Witty Unpredictable shot is critical
    to analytical analogy, insurance policies why
    Said he know that sounds define the note
    Couldn’t recognize, blast him the fuck behind the ropes
    Too many dope niggaz I see starvin
    Catch a single deal, a possible plea bargain
    Wu slay regardles to whom or what, five mics five nights
    Hang him from the balcony, drop twenty-five flights
    A fugitive bass playin rap czar
    smoke the cigars, his prints on the strings of his guit

  95. Darth Cipher Says:

    that last word is guitar

  96. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ragetonslasher – if you noticed in my post i said the only songs ive felt from nas semi recently are made you look and poison, i dont know anyone who doesnt poison, even the biggest nas haters i know like and respect that song.

  97. reggaetonslasher Says:

    thinking bout changing my moniker

  98. Darth Cipher Says:

    Poison’s a Nas Hall of Fame Classic by my oppinion

  99. eskay Says:

    >>Seems like you want a coorperate structured album, with a song about a girl you feeling, a club banga. a posse cut, a triumphant how I beat the odds song.

    ^^now you know that’s not what I want. I want from Nas what I know he can deliver and SD wasn’t it. I agree that if it was a single disc it would have been way better, but I still wouldn’t have loved it. although Theif’s Theme is one of my favorite Nas songs of the new millenium.

  100. BEASTNIGGA Says:

    where tha fuck tha news man at? put me on wit some fresh squeezed news.

  101. Darth Cipher Says:

    “thief’s theme, play me at night, they wont act right, understandable smooth shit the murderes move with”… that line alone had me hooked on that track… thats the first time i really cared so much about a hook

  102. reggaetonslasher Says:

    hey darth dont forget the part about lightning hitting the church steeple

  103. Plug industries AKA the Regulator Says:

    Nas last albup was crapola. THIS DUDE DID A BLUES SONG WITH HIS POPS FOR GODS SAKE!! That something you do and with your family and keep at the crib. not poison the rap wrold with

  104. Plug industries AKA the Regulator Says:

    HE HAD 3 HOT SONGS OUT OF 30.

  105. reggaetonslasher Says:

    PLUG, i’LL JUST ADDRESS YOU ONE TIME WITH THAT ^B.S.
    IS’NT HIP HOP ABOUT PUSHING THE ENVELOP, BEING CREATIVE AND NOT CONFORMING GUIDELINES, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. LET ME SUGGEST RENTING A SPEEDBOAT AND STIRING HEAD ON FULL SPEED IN TO A NAVY SHIP, YOUR CHANCES OF SURVIVING THAT COLLISION IS WAY BETTER THAN THE WRATH I WILL UNLEASH ON YOU IF YOU CONTINUE MAKING UNTRUE STATEMENTS. YES I HAVE REVEALED MYSELF AS A NAS STAN.

  106. Darth Cipher Says:

    yo that song he did with his pops was hype wtf you saying plug… i got mad respect for nas doing a song with his pops, how many niggas in the game you think got ballz enough to let there day spit a couple lines in a song huh??? what nas did was what hiphop is about, keeping it real, telling the story, now stop hating

  107. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    and yea people my bad i keep leaving theive’s theme out of my recent hot nas songs list so what that knocks it up to 5 or 6 hot songs dude has put out in years.

    poison
    made you look
    mc burial
    thieves theme
    moment of silence
    honeymoon is over ( except for the part where he talks about pac and shit i cant stand listening to him talk about pac like they were boys pac hated his ass pac aired out nas on record as many times if not more times than big )

  108. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    damn ok congrats to you nas stans cause you are makingme realize there is still more nas i like that i havent mentioned and i think the song he did with his pops was real hot. but i like music like that shit, damn i wish more people were like guru and making jazzmatazz cd’s those cd’s are classic, god damn how people sleep on guru

  109. Foekist Says:

    Man, those Jazzmatazz joint were fire, fa sho.

  110. BEASTNIGGA Says:

    except for the part where he talks about pac and shit i cant stand listening to him talk about pac like they were boys pac hated his ass pac aired out nas on record as many times if not more times than big )

    i agree, pac never liked nas. it was always funny to see nas talk like they was so cool. even jay. either pac was a helluva actor or just lieing. but it seems they wasn’t tight.

  111. Darth Cipher Says:

    yo no doubt guru is someone that is slept on like no other… dudes got some fire to his lyrics… one of the pioneers too… big up guru man

  112. Foekist Says:

    Darth Cipher Says:

    April 17th, 2006 at 4:31 pm
    yo no doubt guru is someone that is slept on like no other… dudes got some fire to his lyrics… one of the pioneers too… big up guru man
    ——————–

    ….”Hollonnnn now rudeboi”… Guru lyrics back in the day was fire, but his lyrics on many of those Jazzmatazz joints was str8 “wick wick wack” (Krs one sample)

  113. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    yea beast. the difference between the nas-pac thing and jay-pac thing is 2 main things.

    1) pac didnt fuck with jay because he was b.i.g.’s boy that all he knew so he was going after any b.i.g. afflilate also yea jay shows respect for jay and yea he did the me and my girlfriend shit but thats it, hov doesnt try to convince you that him and pac were cool, that they liked each other or even knew each other.

    2) pac didnt like nas for nas he thought he was biting his and rakims style and he didnt fuck with that. also nas makes a tribute song for 2 people who he never got along with ,b.i.g. and pac. nas always acts like him and pac were tight and fact is they werent

    and shit as much as i love jay he isnt the one that gave nas the nickname little homie that was pac as well

    ” little homie nas think he live like me/talk about he left the hospital took 5 like me ”

    DARTH CIPHER – you cant even begin to understand how heated i get when discussing guru’s place among the best m.c.’s you wanna know what fucked up is most the people i know that really really like and respect guru are white, them white boys love guru but i guess he didnt keep it gangsta enough for to be highly respected

  114. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    foekist – those jazzmatazz cd’s were crazy, yea there were a couple of less then avg. songs but most of them were hot to death and his lyrics are never weak. the boy always has something very importanat to say

  115. Darth Cipher Says:

    yeah its true alot of white boys feel his shit way too much… but you gottaadmit lyrically he’s got some sick stuff… he’s no where near my top 10 prolly not even top 20 but he’s someone i gottaadmit, can hold his own

  116. eskay Says:

    yall know guru is doing a new jazzmatazz right? I could never really get into them too tough, cuz at the time the first one dropped I was expecting some Daily Operation type shit and it was way left field. Guru is still a GOAT though

  117. BEASTNIGGA Says:

    guru coulda been bigger its just alot of people didn’t know what he was talking about wit tha 5 percenter thing. other than that he was nice

  118. Foekist Says:

    If it ain’t over a Premo beat, Guru’s voice just doesn’t appeal to me.

  119. eskay Says:

    Guru used top be my favorite rapper, true story. I remember I saw him in Macy’s Herald Square in the ‘Lo section with this 6’5 bald headed model chick. later on that same day I saw Fredro in the same spot with a 9 foot bodyguard. good times…

  120. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    eskay i havent heard about the new jazzmatazz you have any clue when its coming out?

    i personally think its no question guru is top 10 all time i mean i got him at like 8,9, or 10 but still top 10. he is slept on too much, i understand the jazzmatazz came out of left field shit but me personally i really fuck with good jazz music so if you put my one of my favorite rappers ( and when moment of truth dropped ,a top 5 or 10 easy hip-hop album, guru was my favorite at that time ) on a track with some good jazz im gonna fuck with it.
    shit i loved when tribe got jazzy and yea jazzmatazz took it to another level but like i said i like jazz so it is what it is.

    the thing is i just dont understand how people sleep on his lyrics and his skills maybe his voice hides how incredible his talent is to some people but the boy has lyrics for days.

    i feel you about the daily operation shit ESKAY that album was whatsup

  121. reachnycDOTcom Says:

    yea thats dope. if u like nahright visit reachnyc.com

  122. eskay Says:

    that’s crazy I thought ya’ll brought up Jazzmatazz cuz you saw this:

    http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/8759

    SOHH just posted that shit today…

  123. G Off Says:

    Guru may have top ten content, but his flow is average. I get bored by him real quick and I think if he didn’t have Premo on the beats all those years, he wouldn’t be talked about like that at all. Still a very talented dude though.

  124. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    ESKAY – NAW HOMIE I JUST BROUGHT UP JAZZMATAZZ CAUSE IM A HUGE GURU FAN AND I BROUGHT HIM UP AND I LOVE THOSE CD’S SO THAT IS CRAZY I HAVENT EVEN HAD TIME TO CHECK OUT SOHH YET TODAY

  125. Dumb Nigga Says:

    i know i’m a tad late, but i agree with eskay, gza would eat up jigga like a plate of dinner

  126. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    G-OFF – I KNOW YOU AINT THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THAT WAY I KNOW MAD PEOPLE WHO SAY THE SAME SHIT BUT I LOVE HIS FLOW BUT STILL ITS MOSTLY THE VOICE. AND I ALSO THINK PREMO IS THE BEST PRODUCER EVER, EITHER HIM OR RZA , BUT I LOVE GURU JUST AS MUCH ON JAZZMATAZZ AND HIS NEWEST ALBUM DIDNT HAVE PREMO ON IT ONCE ( AND WHILE OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD OF BEEN BETTER WITH ATLEAST A COUPLE PREMO JOINTS I STILL REALLY FUCKED WITH THE ALBUM THOUGH MAYBE ITS JUST ME AND MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE BUT I BELIEVE GURU WITHOUT PREMO MIGHT BE MORE RESPECTED BECAUSE I THINK HIS TALENT GETS HIDDEN BEHIND PREMOS BEATS TO ALOT OF PEOPLE ( NOT YOU OR EVERYONE JUST SOME PEOPLE YOU KNOW THE ONES WHO JUST LISTEN FOR BEATS AND DONT REALLY KNOWLEDGE LYRICS ) I THINK WHEN HE IS ONE OTHER PEOPLES BEATS HIS LYRICS STAND OUT MORE BUT OF COURSE I PERFER CLASSIC GANGSTARR I MEAN DAILY OPERATION, HARD TO EARN MOMENT OF TRUTH ALL CLASSICS IF YOU ASK ME I STILL LISTEN TO THEM ALL REGURALY

  127. the green eyed bandit Says:

    @Dbillz

    ive been feelin that bmore sound for a while but never knew what to call it. I just thought it was some techy chicago house shit but I could never find any out here in illinois. I finally came up on some spots out there who sold over the internet (baghat was one) and started adding it to my sets out here. people freak out to that shit. it works. its instant pandemonium.

    thanks for the info. I will look harder for mixes by K-swift and rod lee….that shit is always sold out though.

  128. Joe 88 Says:

    @ green
    that’s whats up me being a baltimore native myself (what up billz) definently know what you mean. when club music comes on its instant pandemonium some people dont even start dancing till it comes on. but being from baltimore i”ll say club music is not what you listen to unless your at a party. I never thought people outside of baltimore listen to it or if they heard it would like it but i guess you learn something new everyday

  129. Nick X 5 by 7 Team Says:

    GzA back then probably smoked his ass…I remember RZA talking about Jay back in the day and saying the same shit about him rapping all fast and shit…I think the Wu respects his sales and all but I don’t think tere is too much love on there part…

    WU is real , is just unfortunate too many ego’s are in play …

  130. MaddenMaster Says:

    Jay-Z the tiger woods of rap that nigger got the fucking glow around him he can’t be touched…. I like his music and I will always be a fan but he starting to get to me….. and his hate for jersey is making me sick…. I can see it being a tie between him and GZA but shit who knows…..

  131. MD-DC Says:

    I NEVER REALLY GOT INTO ANY WU-TANG SHIT, THOUGH I FEEL LIKE THAT “C.R.E.A.M” SHIT WAS ONE OF THE MOST VICIOUS SONGS FROM A RAP COLLECTIVE IN OVER A DECADE. I FUCKED WITH SOME RAEKWON SHIT, BUT I NEVER WAS REALLY A WU-TANG HEAD….. NONTHELESS, I WAS ALWAYS IMPRESSED WITH THE SCIENCE THEY KICKED AND THE WAY THAT EACH PERSONS FLOW WOULD HYPE THE NEXT PERSONS FLOW LIKE THEY MADE EACH OTHER SOUND THAT MUCH BETTER (METHOD MAN AT HIS BEST WAS WHEN HE WAS WITH THE WU)….. I CAN’T COMMENT ON THE JAY-GZA SHIT BUT IF GZA SPITS SOME TRILL “MOON & THE STARS” SHIT, THEN I DON’T THINK THAT’S EVEN A LANE THAT JAY-Z CAN STEP IN, IT’S NOT EVEN.

  132. MD-DC Says:

    AND ABOUT THE NAS SHIT…. I ACTUALLY BOUGHT STREET DISCIPLES FROM OUT THE STORE, THE ACTUAL SHIT. I GOTTA EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT I GOT THE ACTUAL JOINT BECUZ I DON’T BUY NO RECENT CD’S UNLESS I PREVIEW IT FIRST, BUT I HAD FAITH IN NAS’ MAKING A DOUBLE DISC (EVERY GREAT RAPPER HAS TO HAVE A DOUBLE DISC CD IN THEIR CATALOGUE- LIKE AN UNWRITTEN RULE). I WAS MAINLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE BEATS, I THINK THE LYRICS WAS NOT AS GOOD AS HIS PAST SHIT (AINT OUT-DO HIS FIRST 3 CD’s, BUT MUCH BETTER THAN SOME SHIT ON NASTRADAMUS AND A COUPLE OF SHIT ON STILLMATIC… I ACTUALLY LIKED GOD’S SON THOUGH). IF THE BEATS WERE BETTER I’D FUCK WITH IT HARDER AND PLAY IT MORE OFTEN, BUT THAT DOESN’T TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT DUDE HAD WAY MORE NOTABLE SONGS ON THERE THAN JAY DID ON THE FILLER INFUSED “BLUEPRINT 2″…..

    —–OFF THE SUBJECT, DID ANYONE CATCH THE SUBTLE JAB COMMON THREW AT NAS ON HIS “BE” CD???? I HAD TO LISTEN TO IT COUPLE OF TIMES BUT I KNEW I WASN’T CRAZY AND I HEARD A NAS DISS ON THERE, THE SONG IS “CHI-CITY”:

    It ain’t ninety-fo’ yo we can’t go back
    The game need a makeover
    My man retired, I’ma takeover
    Tell these halftime niggaz break’s over

    IT’S JAH LIKE SELF-EXPLANATORY, KEYWORDS ARE “HALFTIME”, ’94, “TAKEOVER”, AND “MY MAN RETIRED”… DO THE MATH YA’LL, COMMON BE TRYNA THROW LOW BLOWS, LoL

  133. E From BK Says:

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    No way!

  134. Plug industries AKA the Regulator Says:

    Yall New York cats stick to yall New York Artist I tell you. Nas last album was crapola and AZ last album was crapola. WAKE UP!!

  135. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    md-dc

    he was defintely talking about jay retireing and so now he can takeover and although i thought that could well be a jab at nas cause of the halftime line but im still not sure just doesnt seem very common like, to attack sneaky like that unprovoked ( atleast from what i know )

  136. Darth Cipher Says:

    @ Madden… tigers been floppin lately, you might wonna use someone better to compare lol

  137. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    whoa plug calm down az’s last album was hot real hot. dont front now nas’s last couple have been trash ill say that but az’s last album was crazy nice how you gonna hate on it ? are you even sure you know what his last album was?
    not really a specific shot at you its just mad people have no clue he dropped so recently

  138. Darth Cipher Says:

    and at the common line, he’s really not the type to just attack like that, remember his beef with WC and Cube… he made it very clear when he was rhyming exactly who he was talking about… so i really dont think he was taking shots at Nas, but mainly all those kind of artist in general who take rap/hiphop as a halftime deal

  139. Darth Cipher Says:

    yeah AZ had a nice one, something to bump in the ride and let people know whats good

  140. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    darth – yea im with you i just dont see com sending subliminals if he has a problem with someone he will say it, and yea man that az was the shit, i copped that shit on a piff mission to the city one day rolled down the windows and let the shit bump had dudes on the sidewalk like ” yo is that a new az album?” and id say “yes siiiiiiir go cop the shit now its hot”

  141. Dumb Nigga Says:

    AZ’s last album was fuckin sick, i still bump that cd

  142. Bugsytheboss Says:

    Stay off that pipe dumb fuck i mean dumb nigga AZ aint done shit since the firm album when he was licking nas nutts and balls trying to bite his style thats why the bravehearts left that nigga in the winter cold i mean as far as mixtapes and shit you can say he nice but putting out a real album shit koch wouldn’t even sign him

  143. eskay Says:

    ^ you act like he didn’t just drop an album on a major.

  144. Dumb Nigga Says:

    biting style? what the fuck does Lloyd Skank do to Fab’s style?

    Lloyd Banks raps just like Fab, but Fab’s better. 50 Cent bites Ja’s style, and Mobb Deep are both fake so, oh and 50’s a snitch

  145. Dumb Nigga Says:

    Bugsytheboss

    you should change your name to BUGSYTHEG-UNITDICKRIDER

    you’re always on their shit, i’m sure if even 50 knew you were saying all this, he would probably say something like

    “bugsy get off g-units nuts kid”

  146. Dumb Nigga Says:

    p.s. AZ would murk any member of g-unit

  147. eskay Says:

    >>p.s. AZ would murk any member of g-unit

    yesssir

  148. Bugsytheboss Says:

    Dumb nigga says
    and Mobb Deep are both fake so

    why are they fake cuzz they signed to G-unit and they making the most money ever in they life. you mad cuzz they not broke in the hood like you begging for some change to buy a blunt STOP THE HATE

  149. Dumb Nigga Says:

    why does it matter about theire money? are you making money off every time you say g-unit’s got money? i could care less how much money they got

    Profigy and Havoc are about as tall as my kid brother, how are they gonna be some hardcore thugs when they’re 5’4? face it g-unit sucks

    and lets go on to mase now

    goes from being a pastor, back to MURDA MASE? i guess you find that gangsta too, dont you?

  150. Dumb Nigga Says:

    does mase read from the bible when he goes and “murders” people?

    does he preach still? but then raps about killing people and selling coke?

    please tell me, becuase i wouldnt listen to him even if i was being forced to

  151. Buscoliti Says:

    that’s funny guru used to be my favorite rapper too. Thos jazzmatazz cd’s were classic.

  152. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    az just dropped a banger of an album on a major label last year you dumb fuck. your just mad because az did murk your boy 50 in the 4 bars he dedicated to him in the song royal slaute, az held it down on some grown ass man type shit ” i respect your scam ”

    again all you talk about is money what about the quality of the music and get this through your head mobb deep is not paid now, they just got an advance the label will recoup all that money they gave them once the album drops and once it flops they will be forced to resell all the fancy things they just bought and they will be in debt homie thats how rich they are, little homie do you even understand the concept of an advance? cause apparently you dont.

    buscoliti – thats whatsup its always good to see someone else recognize guru and im glad to hear im not the only one on this site that thought the jazzmatazz cds were classic

  153. Buscoliti Says:

    yeah this last az was my favorite album. In all honesty I thought this was a five mic classic.

  154. Buscoliti Says:

    yeah moment of truth easily one of the best albums of all time. I mean every song was a banger

    Above the clouds- one of the best beats and songs of all time. Deck did it again. Dropped a verse so hot satan couldn’t live there.
    “Ayatollah rule in the sky, the clouds my sofa”

    Deck is clutch, he is like the tim hardaway or reggie miller of the rap game, coming through for a big win.

    Too bad he only flow like that on other people’s songs. lol

  155. eskay Says:

    this nigga Bugsy got a fucking hearing problem yo. I don’t know how many times we’ve told him that we don’t care about money, and this dumb ass keeps coming back with the same wack ass You’re hating argument. That my friends is a prime example of how G-Unit stans are fucking morons.

  156. the Landlord Says:

    Buscoliti Says:

    April 18th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
    yeah moment of truth easily one of the best albums of all time. I mean every song was a banger

    Above the clouds- one of the best beats and songs of all time. Deck did it again. Dropped a verse so hot satan couldn’t live there.
    “Ayatollah rule in the sky, the clouds my sofa”

    Deck is clutch, he is like the tim hardaway or reggie miller of the rap game, coming through for a big win.

    Too bad he only flow like that on other people’s songs. lol
    ———————–

    …good points busco… if you notice, Deck bats leads off on more than a few wu classics..ie., Triumph, Back in the Game, One of These Days, The City, and of course Protect Your Neck… the rebel INS may be the most underrated Wu clansman…and Above the Clouds is also my favorite Gangstarr joint because of Deck’s verse (and Premo’s beat)

  157. Buscoliti Says:

    misquote its: “Ayatollah rest in the sky, the cloud’s my sofa”

  158. Jopo Says:

    I didn’t know where to ask this so I’ll just throw this in the air.

    Can someone explain this to me? Who is this guy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pTHNoPEENg

  159. N.A.T Says:

    Gza is that nigga, liquid swordz was a classic and beneath the surfuce was a classic too. I fuck wit him. he a real nigga. listen to protect ya neck. Gza part was fuckin too serious. Gza is a legend i see why niggas call him genius. gza lyrics is fuckin amazin. he sick wit it. a real muthafuckin mc.

    1 of the realest from the wu. next to ghost, capp,raekwon,meth, deck, and evrybody else.

  160. F.O.N Says:

    This is one of my favorite songs that the Wu, did:

    [RZA] Wu-Tang Clan comin at ya, protect ya neck kid, so set it off
    de Inspector Deck
    [Meth] watch ya step kid (8X)

    [Inspector Deck]
    I smoke on the mic like smokin Joe Frazier
    The hell raiser, raisin hell with the flavor
    Terrorize the jam like troops in Pakistan
    Swingin through your town like your neighborhood Spiderman
    So uhh, tic toc and keep tickin
    While I get ya flippin off the shit I’m kickin
    The Lone Ranger, code red, danger!
    Deep in the dark with the art to rip charts apart
    The vandal, too hot to handle
    Ya battle, you’re sayin Goodbye like Tevin Campbell
    Roughneck, Inspector Deck’s on the set
    The rebel, I make more noise than heavy metal

    [Raekwon]
    The way I make the crowd go wild, sit back relax won’t smile
    Rae got it goin on pal, call me the rap assassinator
    Rhymes rugged and built like Schwarzenegger
    And I’ma get mad deep like a threat, blow up your project
    Then take all your assets
    Cause I came to shake the frame in half
    With the thoughts that bomb, shit like math!
    So if ya wanna try to flip go flip on the next man
    Cause I grab the clip and
    Hit ya with sixteen shots and more I got
    Goin to war with the meltin pot hot

    [Method]
    It’s the Method Man for short Mr. Meth
    Movin on your left, aah!
    And set it off, get it off, let it off like a gat
    I wanna break full, cock me back
    Small change, they puttin shame in the game
    I take aim and blow that nigga out the frame
    And like Fame!!, my style’ll live forever
    Niggaz crossin over, but they don’t know no better
    But I do, true, can I get a “sue”
    Nuff respect due to the one-six-ooh
    I mean ohh, yo check out the flow
    like the Hudson or PCP when I’m dustin
    Niggaz off because I’m hot like sauce
    The smoke from the lyrical blunt makes me *cough*

    [U-God]
    Ooh, what, grab my nut get screwed
    Oww, here comes my Shaolin style
    Sloop-B and my b-boy’s U
    to my crew with the “suuue”

    [*interlude*]
    watch ya step kid [8X]
    [Ol Dirty Bastard] c’mon baby baby c’mon [4X]
    [RZA] Yo, ya best protect ya neck

    [Ol Dirty Bastard]
    First things first man you’re fuckin with the worst
    I’ll be stickin pins in your head like a fuckin nurse
    I’ll attack any nigga who’s slack in his mack
    Come fully packed with a fat rugged stack
    Shame on you when you stepped through to
    The Ol Dirty Bastard straight from the Brooklyn Zoo
    And I’ll be damned if I let any man
    Come to my center, you enter, the winter
    Straight up and down that shit packed jam
    You can’t slam, don’t let me get fool on him man
    The Ol Dirty Bastard is dirty and stinkin
    Ason, Unique rollin with the night of the creeps
    Niggaz be rollin with a stash
    ain’t sayin cash, bite my style I’ll bite your motherfuckin ass!

    [Ghostface Killah]
    For cryin out loud my style is wild so book me
    Not long is how long that this rhyme took me
    Ejectin, styles from my lethal weapon
    My pen that rocks from here to Oregon
    Here’s Mordigan, catch it like a psycho flashback
    I love gats, if rap was a gun, you wouldn’t bust back
    I come with shit that’s all types of shapes and sounds
    And where I lounge is my stompin grounds
    I give a order to my peeps across the water
    To go and snatch up props all around the border
    And get far like a shootin star
    Cause who I are, is dim in the light of Pablo Escobar
    Point blank as I kick the square biz
    There it is you’re fuckin with pros and there it goes

    [RZA]
    Yo chill with the feedback black we don’t need that
    It’s ten o’clock hoe, where the fuck’s your seed at
    Feelin mad hostile, ran the apostle
    Flowin like Christ when I speaks the gospel
    Stroll with the holy roll then attack the globe with the buckus style
    the ruckus, ten times ten men committin mad sin
    Turn the other cheek and I’ll break your fuckin chin
    Slayin boom-bangs like African drums (we’ll be)
    Comin around the mountain when I come
    Crazy flamboyant for the rap enjoyment
    My clan increase like black unemployment
    Yeah, another one dare, G-Gka-Genius
    Take us the fuck outta here

    [Genius]( My NIGGA)
    The Wu is too slammin for these Cold Killin labels
    Some ain’t had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
    Be doin artists in like Cain did Abel
    Now they money’s gettin stuck to the gum under the table
    That’s what ya get when ya misuse what I invent
    Your empire falls and ya lose every cent
    For tryin to blow up a scrub
    Now that thought was just as bright as a 20-watt light bulb
    Should of pumped it when I rocked it
    Niggaz so stingy they got short arms and deep pockets
    This goes on in some companies
    With majors they’re scared to death to pump these
    First of all, who’s your A&R
    A mountain climber who plays an electric guitar
    But he don’t know the meaning of dope
    When he’s lookin for a suit and tie rap
    that’s cleaner than a bar of soap
    And I’m the dirtiest thing in sight
    Matter of fact bring out the girls and let’s have a mud fight

    This song is too fuckin serious, The Gza is one of the best lyricist of all fuckin time.

  161. King Kong Says:

    GZA is hotness – pure and simple. I don’t even know if he realizes how sublime he is, and I quote:

    “Terrorize the jam like troops in Pakistan”

    Reinterpreted, “Terrorize the Jam(mu) like troops in Pakistan.” Jammu and Kashmir are disputed border territories between India and Pakistan. When you read of bombings in India, it’s usually pro-Pakistani militants – rumored to be aided by the Pakistani military.

    Who rhymes deep like that? Few. Nas is one of them, but even he makes it more explicit. SD was water for those who thirst for real lyrics in a widely-available format. So many tracks from there stick in my mind because they are memorable. The story about him having conversation with the Israeli/Turkish (?) dudes in a bath house about black women vs. white women seeking $…reminiscent of Slick Rick telling a Children’s Story…Rewind – conceptually, just tight. Collaborating with pops and introducing a whole generation to a jazz legend (many of the artsy young white folks are already hip to the likes of Olu Dara)…Sekou Story – I mean, really. Of course, Thief’s Theme is ill. I’ve missed a ton, but there is a ton of good stuff on there – the double CD grows on you if you give it time. IMO, that is the test of an album/rapper with longevity anyway. The more you let it age, the better it gets.

    I’m not sure how much of Jay’s stuff will stay with me when I’m say, 45 years old. Maybe some. I’m sure that I’ll still listen to Nas, though because much of it will have relevance.

  162. i love graffiti Says:

    fuck jay z………gza would fuck his whole shit up hands down …………and thats the call from da zooooooooooooooooooooo.

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