Listen To Ghostface

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Speaking of Starks, according to MTV’s Mixtape Monday report, he has melted down his legendary golden eagle Wonder Woman bracelet and is replacing it with some kind of globe piece.


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292 Responses to “Listen To Ghostface”

  1. MaddenMaster Says:

    HOW IS THE ALBUM???

  2. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    IM COPING IT AND IM COPING IT NOW.

    MADDEN THE ALBUM IS FIRE

  3. Timothy O'Riley III Says:

    Madden, here’s a clear look at the album, I would describe it to you, but I figure youd be better off lookin at it.
    http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E97HB2.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

  4. uneckbone Says:

    hotness.

    *opens up paypal*

  5. MadeInMilwaukee Says:

    Can someone give a track by track break down if possible. I bought the cd, but haven’t listened to it yet.

  6. eskay Says:

    ^ not really, but you can read Bol’s. although I would suggest taking his review with a grain of salt, as he’s never easy on any album.

    http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/03/ghostface_killa.html

  7. mmorales Says:

    hunh, 32 bucks for white/black? cafepress this haha get it for 18..

  8. eskay Says:

    ^ yeah cuz Cafepress makes real quality shirts

  9. eskay Says:

    ^sarcasm

  10. MadeInMilwaukee Says:

    I think I’ll just listen myself cuz duke trying to be funny. I couldn’t get any thing from his review.

  11. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ^^^ ARE YOU A GHOST FAN? WHICH GHOST ALBUMS YOU LIKE BEST? ME PERSONALLY IRONMAN SUPREME CLIENTELE AND THIS AINT FAR BEHIND

  12. bsolor Says:

    The album is great.

  13. slickerthanmost Says:

    ^ ghost is that dude. i got an advance copy *smirks, then pats self on back* for real he is the lone clansmen holdin down the legacy….well Gza too, he’ll always be a rappers rapper. the album is banging kiiiiid!

  14. MadeInMilwaukee Says:

    Supreme Clinetele

  15. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ^^^ i dont feel a review is nessecary for you but ill tell you this you will be glad you bought it

  16. Reninatronix Says:

    I lissened to it everynight last week as I went to sleep.

    Me and Ghost.

    1. No songs to skip.
    2. Vivid Imagery. Sophisticated Gun Talk. CHambers and Darts.
    3. Everytime you listen to it you hear “something new and clever”.

  17. Mr. GA Says:

    I was going to pick up Ghostface Fishscale until I learned he was a hater. I got respect for him but there are things that you just don’t say!

    It’s pretty safe to say that eventually Fishscale will flop. Beleive me my mindstate would be on some different shit about ghostface but enough is enough.

    Pick up T.I. KING aka ATL CLASSIC

    Also be sure to cop Firld Mob’s Light Poles and Pine Trees

    Im out

  18. Mr. GA Says:

    I was going to pick up Ghostface Fishscale until I learned he was a hater. I got respect for him but there are things that you just don’t say!

    It’s pretty safe to say that eventually Fishscale will flop. Beleive me my mindstate would be on some different shit about ghostface but enough is enough.

    Pick up T.I. KING aka ATL CLASSIC

    Also be sure to cop Field Mob’s Light Poles and Pine Trees

    Im out

    oh and be sure to look out for Outkast new album.

  19. Mr. GA Says:

    I think im going to come up with my own T-SHIRT design “R.I.P. NY”

  20. eskay Says:

    ^please don’t tell me your mad at Ghost because he dissed D4L. if so you should kill yourself now.

    but first go read this:

    http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=855

  21. Luis Says:

    I heard his album from my bot emilio sparks a dj from S.I. and this shit is off the hook BUT we all know this shit will not sell……very unfortunate!!!!

  22. Kryptonite Says:

    eskay:

    I changed my name to Kryptonite but was orginally Mr. Ga.

    No im not mad at ghostface because he dissed d4l. The fact that trashy hip hop comes from all regions why did he haft to come at some niggas from the south. Back in the day outkast had problems with them same dudes. I remeber im xxL issue about the south is winning Big Boi said it was at this point(Earlier in the decade) that artists and fans of artists in The South stopped giving a fuck about what others thought of our music because obviously in the case of Outkast, it didn’t matter what we were coming with.

    So in the esense if the south is running things commerically and you have a problem with it. I guess you wont have a problem with with JA, 50, and 50 cent.

    Typical mindstate of a biased east coast hip hop critic.

    Mark my words when I say this if it wasn’t for the south there would be not hip hop, and I can prove it.

    Peace

  23. Kryptonite Says:

    http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=855

    Couldn’t read it because my computer wouldnt let me.

    But what did it say?

    If its some website bashing the royal south, then yes I would rather kill myself than read it.

  24. eskay Says:

    Kryptonite,
    You’re obviously new around here because otherwise you wold know that I can’t stand 50 or Ja Rule. I will say though for those of you Southerners who think commercial success actually means something that 50 is the top selling rap artist out right now.

    If your not mad at Ghost cuz of the D4L shit than why are you mad?

    “Mark my words when I say this if it wasn’t for the south there would be not hip hop, and I can prove it”

    ^please enlighten us, I can’t wait to hear this one.

  25. The Landlord Says:

    @kryptonite

    Yes Big Country…please prove it

  26. B-HEEZIE Says:

    A-YOOOOOOOO………I got the Album, but $31.99 for that TEE………. I would cop it, but for that corny looking Tee, it better come with a copy of the Ghost Album.

  27. The Landlord Says:

    IRONMAN STRIKES AGAIN!!!!! of course the album is near classic.. the thoughts that keeps popping into my head is how rejuvenated and hungry Cappadonna sounds on “Dogs of War”, “Jellyfish”, and “9 Milli Bros.” And what happened to Inspectah Deck’s voice? I almost didnt recognize his verse on 9 Milli Bros. Also something doesn’t seem right with rae and ghost, because even thought Rae is still Rae (his spit on R.A.G.U. is virtuoso MC-ing), he seems a little bored as he and Ghost dont seem to have the same chemistry as on Cuban Linx. This might be nitpicking because this album is still greatness. Get money Starks……WUTANG FOREVER…..

  28. Ru Says:

    I listened to Ghost here and there but nothing substantial..this album made me go back and get all his other albums and listen in awe..wish id done it sooner.

  29. JK Says:

    Ehh-everyone loves to say they love Ghostface, but who actually gives any of his past few cd’s repeated listens? I’ve got love for Ghostface and his bathrobes and giant gold eagle as much as the next old schooler, but shoot, nowadays he’s like the loveable uncle at the party who keeps telling the same stories over and over again (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

  30. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    MR. GA OR KYRPOTNIYE OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU CALL YOURSELF JUST KNOW TO COME BACK HERE @ 6 OR 7 CAUSE IM A REALLY EXPOSE YOUR BULLSHIT. IM AT WORK NOW DONT HAVE TIME TO REALLY KILL YOU BUT TRUST THIS I WILL. BUT IN THE MEAN TIME WE ARE ALL WAITING TO HEAR YOU EXPLAIN

    “Mark my words when I say this if it wasn’t for the south there would be not hip hop, and I can prove it”

    PLEASE ELUCIDATE

  31. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    JK – IRONMAN AND SUPREME CLIENTELE STILL STAY HEAVY IN MY ROTATION TO THIS DAY, IM A FIEND SO I ALWAYS NEED THAT NEW SHIT BUT IM STILL BUMP THE SHIT THAT REALLY MADE ME LOVE THIS HIP-HOP SHIT AND THOSE 2 ALBUMS ARE DEFINTELY A BIG REASON WHY

  32. The Landlord Says:

    i see you JK, because as much as i love WU, i catch myself forgetting i have some of their recent solo joints (except the slept on, “Masta Killa-No Said Date”) , BUT Ghost does consistently put out great product. But still, i’m lmao at the “lovable uncle” analogy, very accurate….

  33. eskay Says:

    I stay bumping Supreme Clientele, what are you talking about

  34. The Landlord Says:

    …and why is everyone so hard on the “Pretty Toney” joint??? “Be This Way” and “Beat the Clock” was some of ghost’s best shit. And yes supreme clientele does stay in steady rotation

  35. JK Says:

    Oh okay, my apologies all you fans who still have to have your Ghostface fixes–so what’s heavy rotation for you? Seriously, tell the truth. Cause I once dated (female here) a supposed MASSIVE Ghostface fan and I think the entire time we were together–over two years, I heard him play Ghostface maybe three times. Like he’d immediately buy the new cd, listen to it and that’d be that,never again. Jay-Z on the other hand–his shit got played all the time, new shit, it didn’t matter.

  36. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    JK – GHOST,PAC,JAY-Z,BUDDENS, OLD NAS,BIG L, GANGSTAR,DE LA, BIG ALL GET PLAYED PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEK FOR ME I GOT DIFFERENT MUSIC AT HOME AND AT WORK AND IN MY CAR I SWITCH IT UP I DEFINTELY LISTENED TO IRONMAN THIS WEEKEND ( I FEEL YOU ABOUT PEOPLE CLAIMING TO BE HUGE FANS BUT NEVER REALLY BUMPING IT ) I ALWAYS LIKE TO FEEL LIKE IM IN THE WAY BACK MACHINE AND TAKE IT BACK WITH SOME CLASSIC HIP-HOP, USUALLY UNLESS BUDDENS OR JAY JUST CAME OUT WITH SOME NEW CRAZY SHIT I USUALLY THROW SOMETHING LIKE SUPREME CLIENTELE IRONMAN LIQUID SWORDS PAC OR GANGSTARR TO LISTEN TO WHILE I HIT MY L AND GET DRESSED SO I CAN START MY DAY RIGHT.

  37. Blood Hound aka Slum Lord Says:

    I got the album, I only listen to tracks 2, 3 and 24… But those tracks are worth the 7 bucks I paid for the real cd not a boot leg

  38. D. Billz Says:

    “Whip You Wit’ A Strap”… I swear, I start havin’ flashbacks when that shit comes on.

  39. Dr Flav Says:

    Island Reggae + Southern Blues = Origin Of Hip Hop.

  40. eskay Says:

    ^ you gotta do better than that buddy.

  41. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    Dr Flav Says:

    April 3rd, 2006 at 4:43 pm
    Island Reggae + Southern Blues = Origin Of Hip Hop.

    how bout banging on the concrete and spoken word = origins of hip-hop how bout a record accidentally getting scrathed = the origins of hip-hop
    give me a break thats a pathetic attempt i thought i was gun have to bring the guns out on you little punks but shit i dont need none of that, that shit is ridiculous come holla at us when you get a fucking clue little homie

  42. slickerthanmost Says:

    ….damn niggas gettin aired out lol

  43. E From BK Says:

    How about Gil Scott-Heron and James Brown?

  44. The Landlord Says:

    James Brown was DEFinitely Hip-Hop….how about Cab Calloway and Bo Diddley…How about, dare I say, Johnny Cash , no seriously, listen to the phrasing ,rhyme patterns and cadence and tell me dude aint MC-ing…

  45. The Landlord Says:

    …the Last Poets

  46. Doc Flav Says:

    Thank You To Those Who Know The Science. Scratching Was An Accident By The Way. Lets Go Back Further To African Story Tellers Recitingh Over The Beat Of Ancient Drums. Aint Nothing New Under The Sun.

  47. The Landlord Says:

    ^^^^at all

  48. E From BK Says:

    @Kryptonite

    Regardless of the fact that there were people early on from different regions that had an influence on Hip Hop pioneers, the fact of the matter is the concept of “Hip Hop” comes from one place. You spewing that Hip Hop would not be here if it were not for the South is ridiculous. It’s almost like when White people run around claiming inventions that actually belong to Black inventors. It’s like when you go to church and they have you praying to a White Jesus when you know for a fact that Jesus is Black. Come on homie. You MUST be new to this site because this blog for the most part is full of Hip Hop lovers who appreciate skill. If you are in GA I’m sure you know that the radio there only plays bullshit. Now if you like that b.s. I can understand you being offended. Normally when the dislike for South music is mentioned, it’s not for T.I. and people like him. It’s for D4L and Dem Franchise Boyz.

  49. Doc Flav Says:

    Well Why Not Be More Specific? Instead Of Just Saying ‘the south?’ The Majority Of People From The North Have Southern Roots Including P Ricans, Haitians, Jamaicans Ect. Dont Matter If Its Not Southern American.

  50. the green eyed bandit Says:

    eskay – where can I get this in gold on black? I only see white tees. I need the one you posted

  51. eskay Says:

    from the MightyHealthy site:

    4-2-2006

    alot of inquiries about the listen to ghostface tee..
    Cop it here first in white/red/black only. Check your
    local retailers in the coming weeks for the
    black/gold colorway…Happy Birthday to Rob.. uno.

  52. The Cipher Says:

    ***WU-TANG CLAN AINT NOTHING TO FUCK WITH***

    AND FISHSCALE IS NO DIFFERENT, ALBUMS BUMPING HARD MY NIGGAS…

    also check out dj green lanterns new one “Alive On Arrival*… shits FIYAHHHH… Blow His Head Off!!!

  53. T-Money Bags Says:

    http://stylesbythegram.blogspot.com/2006/04/stay-outta-ghosts-fridge.html

  54. The Cipher Says:

    LOL that was the funniest shit ever… wash yo hands man… haha and stay out my fridge… my fridge is liable to blow you, if it dont know you

  55. Demiks Says:

    I might be hated for this, but maybe a “one post per [insert time in here] system” going, it would be less clutter and save your bandwidth that keeps going. Alot of these arguments are pointless. Most, not all, but most southern Hip-Hop is wack. If you haven’t figured that out by now …off yourself.

  56. Doc Flav Says:

    I Want Mine To Say ” Listen to Ghost” On The Front And “PRETTY PLEASE, The South Wont Play My Records! ” On The Back. DIRTY SOUTH RAPING THE INSIDE OF YO MOUTH! HOW YOU LUV DAT?

  57. Meccajj Says:

    haha maxi single price at best buy 6.99, that skit with the little boy cussing was hilarious and the skit with the directions…xxl, “why you always rap about food”

  58. Meccajj Says:

    haha maxi single price at best buy 6.99, that skit with the little boy cussing was hilarious and the skit with the directions…xxl, “why you always rap about food?”

  59. Dumb Nigga Says:

    I wonder if they got that shirt in extra medium? Need somethin for the skinny niggas ya know.

  60. Cape Town, South Africa Says:

    this man truly is a great ..

  61. Kryptonite Says:

    To: eskay

    “If your not mad at Ghost cuz of the D4L shit than why are you mad? ”

    Please, you mean to tell me that metaphorically ha didn’t mean the whole south. But ill grt back to that later.

    tyronebiggums71 your up first:

    First off, your dreadful written expression already killed you. Now to come at a dude with his own thoughts and ideas about something as simple as hip hop is being a bitch nigga within itself. I write from a down south prespective that piss biased niggas like you off and get you all bitched up. So don’t you dare come at me with your lack of knowledge of a southern perspective

    .E From BK your next:

    If your dumbass knew anything about hip hop you would know denying hip hop from other localties is denying what hip hop is. But your a hip hop lover, don’t love it too much. Maybe thats why yall hit bottom rock.

    “Mark my words when I say this if it wasn’t for the south there would be not hip hop, and I can prove it”

    ^please enlighten us, I can’t wait to hear this one.

    All I really haft to say is New Orleans and the Delta.

    Jaz=The element of hip hop.

  62. T.Soprano (Part of the New New York Movement) Says:

    Hip Hop came out of the Bronx and was made by the Great DJ Kool Herc and he’s Jamaican! So that sh*t about the Delta and New Orleans is bull shit!

  63. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    KRYPTONITE –

    ELEMENTS OF ANYTHING CAN BE TRACED BACK TO SOMETHING ELSE YOU RETARDED FUCK. ELEMENTS OF ALL MAN CAME FROM AFRICA SO THEN YOU WANT TO INTO IT LIKE THAT, THEN THE ELEMENTS FOR HIP-HOP AND EVERYTHING STARTED IN AFRICA, BUT UNLESS YOUR GOING BY THAT THINKING HIP-HOP STARTED IN THE BRONX GET SOME NEW TAMPONS AND GET OVER IT. I GOT LOVE FOR THE SOUTH BUT HATE MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU YOU PROBABLY JUST LIKE THE YING YANG TWINS LIL FLIP ALL THAT GARBAGE MAN AND IF YOU CAN HONESTLY SUPPORT ANY OF THAT GARBAGE THEN GET THE FUCK OFF THIS SITE ITS NOT FOR YOU THIS IS FOR REAL HIP-HOP, AND SHIT ILL EVEN THROW THESE 50 STANS A BONE AND SAY ID RATHER LISTEN TO HIM ALL DAY THEN DEM FRANCHISE BOYZ OR ANY OF THAT GARBAGE.

    MOTHERFUCKER SAID HE WOULD TELL US HOW HIP-HOP STARTED IN THE SOUTH AND HE SAYS JAZZ NEW ORLEANS ITS AN ELEMENT OF HIP-HOP DONT YOU THINK MAYBE TRIBAL DRUMS IS MORE OF AN ELEMENT TO HIP-HOP, BUT HIP-HOP WAS FORMED AND CREATED ON THE STREETS OF THE BRONX BANGING ON THE CONCRETE. SHIT MARLEY MARL WONT EVEN ARGUE THAT

  64. Kryptonite Says:

    To: tyronebiggums71

    I never said I listened to the Ying Yang Twins had your dumbas read the comment.

    And please don’t get my shit twisted. Although I speak from a down south perspective,as a man born in VA, raised in NJ and recently lives in GA don’t assume I don’t know shit outside southern rap.

    What I really hate is the lack of respect given to other regions who appreciated New York’s creation and tried to make it more grounded to their particular situation.

    You niggas say Hip Hop started in africa then get in a bitch argument about how it started in NY.

    Im currently working on my 2nd book “It Started In The South” to give southern rap it’s overdue respect. What the fuck are you doing?

    Willing to go back and forth over some shit as simple as hip hop.

    To:T.Soprano (Part of the New New York Movement)

    Do you really expect me to take you seriously?

    I don’t get it New Yorkers!!! Why do you have to be from New York, where hip-hop spawned, to be a classic MC? The Motown sound originated in Detroit. Did people in Detroit respect Ray Charles less because he was from North Florida? Hell no! Jazz originated in New Orleans. Did people in the South respect Duke Ellington less because he made the Harlem Renaissance sound famous? No!!! Why then do New York hip-hop niggass never give as much credit and respect to artists from other localities as you do your own?

    To sum it all up, I’ll go over some key points. 1. To be rated highly by an East Coast hip-hop critic you must be from the East Coast. No ands, ifs, or buts about that. 2. You had to have received a lot of play on NY radio, which is hypocritical seeing how they have and still do refuse to play songs from other regions. 3. According to New York critics, the number of record sales you make and airplay you receive goes into your consideration for “best MC” only if you are from NY (as they have done for their latest savior Jay-Z).

  65. Kryptonite Says:

    East Coast folk are always wondering what happened to their dominance. Shit, it’s the record companies fault more so than your boring attempt to be crunk. They tell your artists what they need to put out, when they have to put it out, and all sorts of other things that take creative control away from your artists. Until your artists learn to do things on their own and stop needing some daddy-type figure in the record companies to do their selling for them, go on ahead and get used to the art-form you created never being back in your hands…

  66. Kryptonite Says:

    think the saying goes a nation divided against itself cannot stand. New York has been divided since Biggie’s death with rappers trying to take his place. While New York MC’s were so busy hating on each other, the South slipped right into the driver’s seat. I fathom where hip-hop will go now due to this one reconciliation. First of all, if Nas and Jigga put out an Outkast type collaboration album, it could possibly be the highest grossing album of all time. I can’t stand Jay-Z (even though post-retirement Jigga is growing on me like mold), but y’all know I’ll get that album just because of Nas. Whatever criticisms I’ve had with Jigga’s career, I guarantee you there will not be a “Laffy Taffy” like-track on that album.

  67. Kryptonite Says:

    TO my down south peopleDon’t just sit around and watch everybody forget about us like West Coast hip-hop. Start diversifying now. Understand that the power of words can have the same power as that of beats. East Coast MC’s had the head start on lyrics because their producers suck and in order to have had a hit song, you better had been talking about something. Maybe even I need to start writing some Mos Def type rhymes or something seeing how I could never be a gangsta rapper.
    T
    hose old school East Coast MC’s such as Nas, Rakim, Big, etc. studied dictionaries to be crowned most lyrical/metaphorical.

  68. DA CHI-TOWN Says:

    Kryptonite is right. new york is a bunch of theifs and deceivers. if jazz started in the south and jazz is a element of hip hop. then the south was the ORGINATOR. like i always be saying i really don’t care about the next big thing out of new york. because of they lack of respect for other regions.

    “The south in my opinion is the essense of music itself”

    -Common-

  69. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    KRYPONITE CAME IN HERE TALKING HIP-HOP STARTED IN THE SOUTH. I GOT LOVE AND HATE FORE PEOPLE FROM EVERYWHERE BUT TO SAY HIP-HOP STARTED IN THE SOUTH IS JUST DUMB, THATS THE THING HE SAID WE ARE ALL RESPONDING TO. YOU PEOPLE ARE MAD AT GHOST CAUSE HE CALLED OUT LAFFY TAFFY???? HE DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT “THE SOUTH” JUST LAFFY TAFFY WHY YOU GUYS GOTTA TAKE SUCH OFFENSE TO THAT??? YOU WONT HEAR MOST NY CATS DEFENDING 50 JUST CAUSE HE IS FROM HERE. MAKE HOT MUSIC AND STOP COMPLAINING THERE IS A LOT OF ILL SHIT FROM THE SOUTH NORTH EAST WEST AND MIDWEST BUT THERE IS EVEN MORE GARBAGE EVERYWHERE AND IF YOU CANT SEE THAT THEN YOU GOT SOME ISSUES THATS ALL ANY OF US ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    ALSO I NEVER SAID IT STARTED IN AFRICA I SAID ALL ELEMENTS OF MAN AND ALL MAN’S CREATIONS CAME FROM AFRICA CAUSE THATS WHERE THE FIRST MAN WAS. HIP-HOP STARTED IN THE BRONX DEAL WITH IT.

    SO AGAIN I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE SOUTH JUST THE PEOPLE WHO ACT LIKE HIP-HOP WASNT AROUND UNTIL ATL. BLEW UP, HIP-HOPS BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE HOMIE. I FUCK WITH SOUTH ARTIST WEST COAST ARTIST MIDWEST ARTIST AND EAST COAST ARTIST’S I JUST CANT STAND LAFFY TAFFY AND YING-YANG TWINS BUT I ALSO DONT FUCK WITH 50 OR DIP-SET SO WHATS REALLY YOUR PROBLEM ????

  70. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    I don’t get it New Yorkers!!! Why do you have to be from New York, where hip-hop spawned, to be a classic MC? The Motown sound originated in Detroit. Did people in Detroit respect Ray Charles less because he was from North Florida? Hell no! Jazz originated in New Orleans. Did people in the South respect Duke Ellington less because he made the Harlem Renaissance sound famous? No!!! Why then do New York hip-hop niggass never give as much credit and respect to artists from other localities as you do your own?

    To sum it all up, I’ll go over some key points. 1. To be rated highly by an East Coast hip-hop critic you must be from the East Coast. No ands, ifs, or buts about that. 2. You had to have received a lot of play on NY radio, which is hypocritical seeing how they have and still do refuse to play songs from other regions. 3. According to New York critics, the number of record sales you make and airplay you receive goes into your consideration for “best MC” only if you are from NY (as they have done for their latest savior Jay-Z).

    THAT WHOLE SHIT IS COMPLETE AND TOTAL BULLSHIT. MY FAVORITE RAPPER EVER TUPAC, YOUR FAVORITE RAPPERS FAVORITE RAPPER SCARFACE H-TOWN BITCH HOWS THAT NY, ROYCE DA 5’9 AND EMINEM ARE AMONG MY FAVORITES EVER AND ARE BOTH CONSIDERED CLASSIC TO ME ( ALL THOSE STILL SLEEPING ON ROYCE CHECK OUT DEATH IS CERTAIN ) BACK OUT WEST I CONSIDER OLD SNOOP CLASSIC I ACTUALLY AM REALLY FUCKING WITH GAME RIGHT NOW ( MUSICALLY I VOULD CARE LESS HOW REAL OR FAKE HE IS ) AND OF COURSE IT DOESNT GET MUCH MORE CLASSIC THAN RASS KASS OR RIDE BACK DOWN SOUTH TO THE ORIGINAL ATL SOUTHERPLAYSISTICFUNK OUTKAST IS PURE CLASSIC SO AGAIN YOU’VE GOT A HUGE INFERIORITY COMPLEX IF YOU CANT SEE HOW MUCH LOVE IS SPREAD AROUND IN HIP-HOP BY REAL HIP-HOP FANS THE FACT IS IF YOU MAKE DOPE HIP-HOP PEOPLE FROM EVERYWHERE WILL RESPECT IT ( REAL RECOGNIZE REAL HOMIE )

  71. Kryptonite Says:

    To: tyronebiggums71

    I agree, but a lot of NY niggas think that down south people support that laffy taffy shit. You see, 70% of hip hop is supported by suburban white kids who don’t know a dam thing about hip hop.

    So it’s mostly the females and white people that support that shit.

    We stay jammin on outkast, ugk, t.i. and field mob shit. I can’t even front even though I hate the mindstate of most NY heads I still be jammin that Nas, Mos Def, Rakim, Mob Deep etc…

  72. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    AND TO SINGLE OUT THIS COMMENT FROM HIM TO SHOW HIM HE HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE FUCK HE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS CLOWN SAID

    “2. You had to have received a lot of play on NY radio, which is hypocritical seeing how they have and still do refuse to play songs from other regions. ”

    PLEASE NY/NJ PEOPLE HELP ME WITH THIS, IF ITS NOT 50 BEING PLAYED ON THE RADIO WHAT IS ? HOT 97 AND 105.1 PLAY 50, R&B AND ANYTHING DOWN SOUTH, YOU CANT TURN ON A NY RAP STATION AND NOT HAVE THE SOUTH PLAYING ALL DAY PLEASE TRI STATE HELP BACK THIS UP FOR ME SINCE THIS CLOWN OBVIOUSLY HASNT BEEN IN THE AREA FOR YEARS

  73. Kryptonite Says:

    I be dammed if I “lean iwit it rock wit it” thatsshit embarresses us in the south. Whoever kept voting that shit on 106&park needs to stop, that shit makes me ashamed of the south.

    Another thing I have noticed is that the garbarge rappers from certian regions get more shine than the real.

    50’s next album will go plat while ghostface will throw bricks.

    Mike Jones will probably go plat and Scarface will also flop.

    See what I mean.

  74. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Kryptonite Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 12:07 pm
    To: tyronebiggums71

    I agree, but a lot of NY niggas think that down south people support that laffy taffy shit. You see, 70% of hip hop is supported by suburban white kids who don’t know a dam thing about hip hop.

    So it’s mostly the females and white people that support that shit.

    We stay jammin on outkast, ugk, t.i. and field mob shit. I can’t even front even though I hate the mindstate of most NY heads I still be jammin that Nas, Mos Def, Rakim, Mob Deep etc…

    I COMEPLETELY AGREE AND WITH ALL OF THAT BUT THIS WHOLE SHIT STARTED BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE PISSED AT GHOST SAYING THEY WONT SUPPORT HIM NOW BECAUSE OF THE LAFFY TAFFY LINE???? HE DIDNT SAY THE SOUTH IF HE DID I COULD UNDERSTAND BUT HE DIDNT ANYTIME SOMEONE MAKES FUN OF ONE DOWN SOUTH ARTIST EVERYONE GETS OFFENDED, I REALIZE THE BURBS BE BUYING EVERYTHING IF YOU READ MY OLDER POST IM USUALLY THE ONE POINTING THAT OUT THE MOST, I JUST THINK EVERYONE IS TO TOUCH FEELY ABOUT NORTH AND SOUTH, AND THAT INCLUDES NEW YORKERS, THEY NEED TO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE STATE OF HIP-HOP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND THE SOUTH NEEDS TO STOP GETTING SO OFFENDED EVERYTIME ONE OF THEIR ARTIST GETS DISSED ( ALSO LISTEN CAREFULLY WHEN SOMEONE LIKE SAIGON STARTS YAPPING BECAUS EHE TENDS TO RAMBLE SO ALL YOU WILL HEAR IS “FUCK THE SOUTH ” BUT HE DOESNT MEAN THAT HE FUCKS WITH LOTS OF THE SOUTH HE JUST WANTS REAL HIP-HOP BACK AND BACK STRONG THATS ALL HE IS REALLY TRYING TO SAY

  75. Kryptonite Says:

    “PLEASE NY/NJ PEOPLE HELP ME WITH THIS, IF ITS NOT 50 BEING PLAYED ON THE RADIO WHAT IS ? HOT 97 AND 105.1 PLAY 50, R&B AND ANYTHING DOWN SOUTH, YOU CANT TURN ON A NY RAP STATION AND NOT HAVE THE SOUTH PLAYING ALL DAY PLEASE TRI STATE HELP BACK THIS UP FOR ME SINCE THIS CLOWN OBVIOUSLY HASNT BEEN IN THE AREA FOR YEARS ”

    Were you under the impression that I implied not.

    Look buddy, I got ken folk in NY and let me tell you Hot 97 rarley plays shit from the south or the west.

    Why do you think Lil Wayne had “FUCK HOT 97” on his album credits.

    He even said in an interview that HOT 97 acts like southern rappers don’t exist.

    So you shure shut me up with that one!

  76. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Kryptonite Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
    I be dammed if I “lean iwit it rock wit it” thatsshit embarresses us in the south. Whoever kept voting that shit on 106&park needs to stop, that shit makes me ashamed of the south.

    Another thing I have noticed is that the garbarge rappers from certian regions get more shine than the real.

    50’s next album will go plat while ghostface will throw bricks.

    Mike Jones will probably go plat and Scarface will also flop.

    See what I mean.

    SEE NOW THIS IS WHERE WE WILL DEFINTELY START TO SEE EYE TO EYE. AND REALLY ALL YOUR SAYING NOW IS WHAT I WAS ORIGINALLY SAYING AND HONESTLY I DIDNT THINK YOU WOULD COME FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW OTHERWISE I WOULD OF NEVER SAID SHIT. ITS A DAMN SHAME 40 CENT CAN SELL SO MUCH AND GHOST WONT SELL SHIT, MIKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEE JONNNNNNNNNNNNES GOING MULTI PLAT WHILE SCARFACE DROPS ALBUMS ALMOST UNNOTICED??? WHAT THE FUCK.

    THE OTHER THING AGAIN IF YOU LISTEN TO HOT 97 OR POWER 105.1 ( WHICH I DONT ANYMORE, WELL VER RARELY ) ALL YOU WILL HEAR IS “LEAN WIT IT ROCK WIT IT ” AND THAT SHIT JUST INFURIATES US REAL HIP-HOP FANS HERE AND THATS WHY SOME RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH RECKLESS TALKING ABOUT FUCK THE SOUTH, THEY SHOULD NEVER GROUP THE SOUTH AS A WHOLE BUT YOU JUST GOTTA UNDERSTAND WHATS PEOPLE REALLY MEAN WHEN THEY SAY SHIT LIKE THAT, IT TAKES TOO MUCH EXPLANTION TO SAY WHAT IS GOOD WHAT IS ALRIGHT AND WHAT IS TRASH AND WHEN A NY CAT SAYS FUCK THAT DIRTY SOUTH SHIT WE ALL ASSUME YOU GUYS KNOW WE MEAN FUCK DEM FRANCIZE BOYS AND YING-YANG TWINS AND ALL THAT SHIT NOT SCARFACE,OUTKAST,T.I., OR ANYBODY ELSE DOING THEIR THING

  77. Kryptonite Says:

    In the south we feel like if you diss one of our rappers it’s the whole region. Even if they are wack we feel we only can diss them. But its cool though I hate D4L with a passion, I wish we could just take alll these wack hip hop acts put them in a building and blow it up.

    When did saigon say “FUCK THE SOUTH” and who is saigon?

  78. Kryptonite Says:

    I live in GA just imagine how many times we haft to hear ” Lean With It Rock Wit It” or “Laffy Taffy” all gotdam day so I can see where you commin from on that.

    I don’t even listen to radio stations I bumb old school clasic cd’s.

  79. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    KRYPONITE I PROMISE YOU HOT 97 PLAYS MORE DOWN SOUTH ARTIST THAN NY CATS NOW AND THATS A FACT AGAIN PLEASE TRI-STATE BACK ME UP HERE. LIL WAYNE COULD HAVE A BEEF WITH THEM BUT SO WHAT SO DID NAS FOREVER AND HE OBVIOUSLY WASNT FROM THE SOUTH.

    AND YOU DID SAY “To sum it all up, I’ll go over some key points. 1. To be rated highly by an East Coast hip-hop critic you must be from the East Coast. No ands, ifs, or buts about that. 2. You had to have received a lot of play on NY radio, which is hypocritical seeing how they have and still do refuse to play songs from other regions. ”

    THAT TO ME SOUNDS LIKE YOUR SAYING THEY DONT PLAY THE SOUTH ON NY RADIO AND THATS JUST NOT TRUE

  80. Kryptonite Says:

    I might just get ghostface album I just thought he dissed the whole south.

  81. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Kryptonite Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
    I live in GA just imagine how many times we haft to hear ” Lean With It Rock Wit It” or “Laffy Taffy” all gotdam day so I can see where you commin from on that.

    I FEEL YOU BUT THAT SHIT IS ON HOT 97 ALL DAY AS WELL WHICH IS WHY I STAY BUMPING MIXTAPES

  82. Kryptonite Says:

    “KRYPONITE I PROMISE YOU HOT 97 PLAYS MORE DOWN SOUTH ARTIST THAN NY CATS NOW AND THATS A FACT AGAIN PLEASE TRI-STATE BACK ME UP HERE. LIL WAYNE COULD HAVE A BEEF WITH THEM BUT SO WHAT SO DID NAS FOREVER AND HE OBVIOUSLY WASNT FROM THE SOUTH. ”

    Dam

  83. Kryptonite Says:

    I bet they just play wack down south artists don’t they?

  84. Kryptonite Says:

    Oh, and who is saigon?

    Did he pubically say “FUCK THE SOUTH”?

  85. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Kryptonite Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
    I might just get ghostface album I just thought he dissed the whole south.

    SEE THATS REALLY WHY I STARTED COMING AT YOU SO HARD BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU WOULDNT COP GHOST JUST CAUSE OF THAT ALL HE SAID WAS

    “Godzilla bankroll/
    Stones from Stilion/
    Yo I ain’t got it all/ that means I barely home/
    Trailblazer stay ballin/
    Revenge is my arts/ is crafty darts/
    While y’all stuck on Laffy Taffy/
    Wonderin’ how y’all niggaz get past me/
    I been doin this before Nas dropped the Nasty”

    so i thought you wouldnt cop it cause he dissed laffy taffy

  86. Kryptonite Says:

    The radio stations in the south just play 50, Ja Rule, Dipset, and shit like that.

    You rarley hear Nas, Jay z, Ghostface etc..

  87. Kryptonite Says:

    I didn’t know what ghostface said but cats in the South be saying a lot of NY rappers be dissing the south and Ghostface name came up.

  88. Kryptonite Says:

    So 50, and Dipset are the only NY shit that gets played in the south.

  89. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    When did saigon say “FUCK THE SOUTH” and who is saigon?

    he did an interview where he took some shots at certain southern artist and the interviewer made it more into a “fuck the south” than saigon meant to.
    saigon is an up and comer ( has been forever now it seems ) from ny if you have ever seen the show entourage on hbo he is the rapper at the end of season 2 he is pretty damn nice and if you like nas and rakim you should really check for dude, he runs off reckless at the mouth somtimes but his skills are nice, go to mixunit.com or mixtapekingz.com and you can get some shit from him made cheap or e-mail eskay and ask him to hook something up he might just do it if you will go cop the ghost album that is

  90. eskay Says:

    Kryptonite,
    How are you gonna tell us what they play on HOt97 if your not here? Don’t believe us? See for yourself:

    http://hot97.com/music/playlist.aspx

    But yeah your 3 reasons are the most uniformed statements I’ve ever heard in my life.

  91. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    Kryptonite Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 12:33 pm
    The radio stations in the south just play 50, Ja Rule, Dipset, and shit like that.

    You rarley hear Nas, Jay z, Ghostface etc..

    its the same here excaept no ja anymore, but we have tons of ying-yang dem franchize boyz, now dont get me wrong they play some t.i. and jeezy but not as much as the garbage but i guess thats just the same everywhere then all the radios are playing the same trash and after all this argueing we find out we really agree

    ghost did a concert i believe it was in atl where he dissed laffy taffy and said fuck all this bullshit bubblegum rap we want real hip-hop and had the dj start playing “the bridge is over” and “eric b for president” he didnt diss the south at all.

    its the new cats (tru-life and saigon ) who are having trouble getting their albums released because the labels dont see the same sales potential as they do from the gimmicks so the real hip-hop gets pushed back to the shelevs so i cant blame them for getting mad, they just need to clarify themseleves better and not generalize it as the south fault cause ive said before and ill say agian puffy and mase shiney suit era was the downfall of hip-hop then came nelly and it was a wrap the gimmick was on

  92. eskay Says:

    and look at you, you didn’t even know what Ghost said and you got all emotional.

  93. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ESKAY – if the kryptonite asks you got some saigon to give to him? i think he deserves it/ the biggest thing is the misunderstanding and communications cause me and this dude just kept argueing to figure out we basically mean the same shit

  94. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    eskay Says:
    April 4th, 2006 at 12:42 pm
    and look at you, you didn’t even know what Ghost said and you got all emotional.

    that was my ponit about the inferiority complex and taking things to heart

  95. eskay Says:

    yeah but not on me right now. But yo homey seems like he had a revelation but I still think he has some schooling coming to him if he thinks the South had anything to do with the beginning of hip hop. Jazz? what does Southern Jazz have to do with a Jamaican Kool Herc spinning breaks in the Bronx? Get real. and he said he’s writing a book about the subject? Wow…

  96. Kryptonite Says:

    Ill definetly get the Ghost album.

    I just hope all this region hattin dosent turn into a regional war, like that West vs East shit.

    There is igronance every where. I was in Houston last month and those cats be like ” it’s all about tha durty durty fuck NY”

    Same with NY, I saw that show the shop on MTV when some dude in Ny said that wack rappers come from houston and paul wall was sittin right there.

    A couple of months ago I was at club 112 in atl and some Ny cat said sometiing about playing some prophase and almost got his ass kicked.

    This region shit is childish!

  97. Kryptonite Says:

    “yeah but not on me right now. But yo homey seems like he had a revelation but I still think he has some schooling coming to him if he thinks the South had anything to do with the beginning of hip hop. Jazz? what does Southern Jazz have to do with a Jamaican Kool Herc spinning breaks in the Bronx? Get real. and he said he’s writing a book about the subject? Wow…”

    Sorry but it’s just the way I feel.

  98. Kryptonite Says:

    Jazz is an element of hip and so is R&B and Rock N roll and so is James Brown, George clinton. We in the south feel we did contribute to hip hop and the lack of respect pisses most southerns off.

  99. Kryptonite Says:

    Yall might disagree with me, but its just my opinion.

  100. England@Represent Says:

    Kryptonite

    SOUTHERN RAP SUCKS

    BROOKLYN HAS ALWAYS BREED THE BEST MC’S SO STOP BITCHIN

    IN ENGLAND WE KNOW REAL HIP HOP.

  101. England@Represent Says:

    All readers know that what England@Represent just put up would normally warrant a thorough breakdown on his ignorance…

    But, knowing that his ass is from England, I could never get too pissed off because of that cute British Accent (which ironically, no one can understand) that comes off even in his writing. As hard as he tried to make his baseless point, I couldn’t get past the fact that he’s probably enjoying an “after-supper tea” right now. LOL!

    I was in London a couple of years back. Had a blast! The people are so nice! So sorry England Represent, but I can’t really take your shit seriously because you are from Britain. Stay up though! Peace brotha (if you’re even of African descent being from Britain and all)…

  102. Kryptonite Says:

    And I wrote that.

    England@Represent what a nice accent.

  103. England@Represent Says:

    TYPING UNDER ANOTHER MANS NAME TO TRY TO HUMMILATE HIM VERY ORGINAL.

    BUT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH WHAT I SAID.

  104. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    he kryponite we’ve decided we agree on alot and im with you about hating on regions thats just dumb but some people are like thatthey look for any reason to hate it is what it is. just make sure you cop that ghostface and you really should check out saigon the boy has some crazy mixtapes ( “favorite day the day that carlito said im the next nas” ) and for the shit we dont agree on lets just say “lets agree to disagree’

  105. Kryptonite Says:

    People should be open minded and listen to more than what their ears want to hear. Like some east coast music dosen’t make me dance but I still like it.

    Down south usic and carribean music both make people dance. Other forms of music are just for listening to into headphones. But that Carribean and Down south music make the ladies dance.

  106. MISS QUEENSBRIDGE Says:

    Kryptonite

    For Southern parties where you want a girl to turn around and bend over

    lmfaooo!!!that’s dancing? i feel sorry for dumb chicks that embarrass themselves in clubs. all my east coast ladies know that when we dance we are sexy with it, not slutty. when we dance to hip hop we have a lot of carribean and latino influence, especially in new york. any dumb bitch who plays herself and lets a nigga violate her like that can keep that shit you call “dancing”.

    this is all i’ll really say to you because frankly, your post didnt interest me. WE DANCE TO EAST COAST HIP_HOP. nobody made it for YOU to dance to it. i dont know how the carribean music and southern music are similar. my mom is from trinidad and my dad is from jamaica. as a native new yorker (we have the largest west indian population in the U.S.) its safe to say, DONT COMPARE THE TWO. we dance to A LOT of dancehall, reggae, and soca in new york. that plays in the clubs a lot. as a carribean amercian, DONT COMPARE OUR MUSIC.

  107. Kryptonite Says:

    To: MISS QUEENBRGE

    Nobody was comparing the Southern Hip-Hop and Caribbean music, had your dumbass read the posts, you would have seen all I said is that they both make people dance.

    Unless you’re gonna sit up here and tell me that you’d rather dance “and be sexy with it” to Craig Mack over some Wayne Wonder, David Banner, or Sean Paul circa 2000’s Stage One…

    And why is it that anytime I come up to NY to stay with Pops, I’m getting my ass thrown up against the wall in the same Caribbean clubs you speak of and getting the same grind, albeit slower and more personal, that I get at A. All the Southern clubs and B. All the Caribbean clubs down South?

    You’re prolly one of the tricks I talk about thinking you’re too cute with a Long Island in your hand on the wall or some shit…

    Girls like you get on everyone’s nerves regardless of region, East, West, South, etc.

  108. Kryptonite Says:

    eskay

    Go to SOHH GLOBAL D4L disses ghostface over “Triumph”

    shyt’s not as bad as many would think.

    “Ay Ghostface, you know you can’t approach us/we rap about candy,you rap about roaches”

    -D4L-

  109. Kryptonite Says:

    “You mad cuz up the charts, we soar like a sparrow/while you on late nite, wit’ whites singin’ dem christmas caroles”

    -D4L-

  110. SHOOK ONES Says:

    nah it went like this

    *snap*

    fukk ghostface (what?)
    fukk ghostface (what?)
    fukk ghostface

    *snap*

    fukk ghostface (what?)
    fukk ghostface (what?)
    fukk ghostface

    we don’t like that hoe
    he get beat to the floe’
    we be drinkin moe’
    doin dances on that hoe

  111. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    DAMN KYRPTONITE NOW YOUR ACTING LIKE D4L JUST KILLED GHOST CAUSE THEY SAID HE RAPS ABOUT ROACHES WHILE THEY RAP ABOUT CANDY IF YOU ASK ME THAT EXPLAINS PERFECTLY WHY GHOST IS SO MUCH BETTER ( WOW WOW WOW I CANT BELIEVE IM EVEN DISCUSSING AND COMPARING THIS ) GHOST DONT GIVE A FUCK HE RAPS WHATS REAL AND HE RAPS HIM D4L DOES SOME DUMB BUBBLEGUM SHIT ( EVERYONE KNOWS THEY WILL BE NOTHING BUT A BROKE ONE HIT WONDER IN ANOTHER YEAR OR SO ) GHOST HAS CRAZY LONGEVIVITY IN THIS BITCH AND ITS CAUSE THERE’S ENOUGH REAL HIP-HOP FANS OUT THERE.

  112. Kryptonite Says:

    It was wack but I expected the lyrics to be worse than that. We all know D4L can see Ghostface lyrically.

  113. Kryptonite Says:

    can’t see Ghostface lyrically my mistake.

  114. M.I.A BABY GURL Says:

    Hold up who ben hatttin on D4L and my baby Fabo?

    Who tha fuk is Ghostface wack nigga!

  115. Dumb Nigga Says:

    I liked the snaps that D4L gave Gostface, that shit was gangsta!

  116. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    IF THESE PEOPLE ARE SERIOUS I GIVE UP ON HIP-HOP R.I.P.

    “HIP-HOP THEY USE YOUR NAME IN VAIN”

  117. Doc Flav Says:

    Lol @ Miss Queensbridge Yall Dont Dance Like Sluts I Hope That You Dont Think No Sluts Aint Up There. Better Check Your Homies, Btw Our Southern Jazzybelles Dont Need Your Pity Thanks.

  118. Doc Flav Says:

    1 Laffy Taffy 2 Betcha Cant Do It Like Me Looks Like A 2 Hit Wonder To Me. Lol Damn I Aint Finna Fuck Wit Yall Today Dirty South Make It Taste Salty In Yo Mouth!

  119. biggumskiller Says:

    you better hope gunit dont fall off or thats it for ny on a national scale
    and biggums is a mad rap nerd him and eskay actually said they perfer their rappers broke and stop listening to them when the get money!! you cant take people like that serious and when people critisize the south its the club music they hate not the ones like frogface(scarface )and outkast and the ones that
    take hiphop to good creative places

  120. eskay Says:

    >>him and eskay actually said they perfer their rappers broke and stop listening to them when the get money!!

    don’t put fucking words in my mouth. yeah I do prefer my rappers broke, cuz they rhyme better it’s a proven fact. but I never said I stop listening when they get money you fool

  121. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    seriously show us the quote where either of us said we stop listening once they stat selling, ill do this again my favorite rapper ever is PAC the number one selling hip-hop artist ever, jay-z is probably my second favorite right now, i am a big eminem fan ( just not his last album ) we all know hoe he sells, but he is a perfect example he doesnt have that same anger,drive and hunger that made him so fucking sick. most rappers change once they start to sell thats a fact i liked 50 when i thought he was trying to rid the world of ja not just become ja on steriods. and i believe we have all clarified which part of the south we like and dont like we got that covered and i think kyrponite understands exactly where im coming from now you on the other hand go hang out with that jade star bitch you like hanging on my nuts so much, who really tries to be a killer of a made up blog name??? how fucking pathetic is that you fucking internet stalker and you got nerve to talk reckless like that, if you my killer than come kill me dog if not ( which we all know is the case ) give up your a fucking joke damn. fucking loser go to school and learn to read

  122. E From BK Says:

    @Kryptonite

    You are a real disrespectful dude. Why would you call me a dumbass? That shows that you are probably around 19 years old. I am not trying to keep Hip Hop from any region. You made an absurd statement that if it were not for the South there would be no Hip Hop. All I said was that the pioneers of Hip Hop may have influences from other genres of music, but Hip Hop itself was born in NY. That is a fact! Keep your insults to yourself unless you you are thorough. If you are thorough then make yourself known. I hate these bitch made fuckas!

  123. MEGA' Says:

    98.9 percent of hip-hop is straight garbage right now, I don’t give a fuck where they’re from! Everywhere you look you see white people bafooning hip-hop whether it be a McDonald’s or Sprite commercial or an episode of the Sopranos. Basically white people are laughing at us; most of them think that all hip-hop is ignorant and stupid; and the majority of rappers are just adding fuel to the fire. I’m from Brooklyn, but I’ve lived in the South and in Europe, and I can tell you its always one or two artist who are truly gifted from each region. Who gives a fuck where it started, there is a white dude from Israel who controls it, while us dumb as niggas bicker about Young Jeezy and Ghostface, and that’s exactly the way he likes it; keep our minds occupied with stupid shit while he and his pals are at the golf course laughing at “all” of us counting “our” money (” Yeah let these niggers kill each other for the crumbs off our tables while we eat steak and lobster, stupid monkeys”). You think they give a fuck where a nigga is from; hell fuck no!!

  124. MEGA' Says:

    Best lyricist right now (and the most under rated); Black Thought of “The Roots” (Philly). Best producers right now; Harrell (Virginia) and Kanye West (Chicago).Most entertaining M.C. now; Ludacris (Atlanta), Most creative Rapper now; Andre 3000 (Atlanta). Best Hustler; Jay-Z (Brooklyn). Best lyricist of all time; tie between Big (Brooklyn) and Nas (Queens). most Influential and Introspective M.C. of all times; Tupac(Oakland, Baltimore)Most successful Rappers of all times (all around); Will smith (Philly) and Ice Cube (LA), Most Successful Producers of all times; Dr Dre (LA) Sean” P. Diddy” Combs (Mt Vernon) Most Influential states for black music (in no particular order): Memphis Tennessee and The Mississippi Delta (Blues), Louisiana Illinois (Jazz); Detroit Michigan and Philadelphia PA (Soul) New York (Hip-Hop); Atlanta (R-n-B).

  125. Kryptonite Says:

    To: E From BK

    Me saying that the south contributed to hip hop is just my opinion. Yes, you may disagree but its my mind and my thoughts. It will never change until someone can convince me otherwise. Im not a “Bitch made Fuck” I just write from a southern perspective than niggas like you insult before speaking your igronant ass minds. How am I trying to act though Im going to law school next summer. People in the south have different mindstates than you up-topers so deal with it.

    My new book comming out soon “It Started In The South”.

  126. Kryptonite Says:

    I prefer my rappers broke too, you wont hear all about the bling bling and shit.

  127. E From BK Says:

    You did not say CONTRIBUTED. You said if not for the South there would be no Hip Hop. Now you are double talking. Step your law game up! I hope when you pass the bar that you use it wisely.

  128. E From BK Says:

    @MEGA’

    Tupac (Oakland, Baltimore?) Are you kidding me. I thought everybody knew the Pac was from NY. Not some just born there shit either. He did not go to Baltimore until like the 9th or 10th grade. He did not go to Cali until he was like 18. As a matter of fact, if you listened to any of his albums you would know that he had songs dedicated to his home state. Did you not know his first emcee name is MC NY?

  129. Kryptonite Says:

    MEGA

    I agree!

    My favorite rappers in order are:

    1. Tupac
    2. Scarface
    3. B.I.G
    4. Aundre 3000
    5. Ice Cube
    6. Common
    7. Rakim
    8. Juvenile
    9. MJG
    10. Big Boi

    Yes, and every region has musical roots.

  130. E From BK Says:

    Also Luda is not from Atlanta. I believe it’s Chicago.

  131. Kryptonite Says:

    E FROM BK

    Hip Hop came from Jazz and blues came from gospel, gospel from blues.

    James Brown is one of the most copied artists in hip hop history. Where is he from (NY) NOT!

    JUST COP MY UP-COMMING BOKK IT EXPLAINS IT ALL!!!!!!

  132. Kryptonite Says:

    Luda was raised in ATL, nad he dosen’t claim Chicago. He started rapping in Atlanta he moved there whan he was 3. I guess Kanye is from Atlanta too hum..

  133. Kryptonite Says:

    I agree MEGA.

  134. Kryptonite Says:

    Double-Talking is all about the Law.

  135. Kryptonite Says:

    But I can still back it up If i say two different things.

  136. Truth Says:

    Your just trying to stir the internet ‘atl vs new york’ pot a little more! Why dont you fuckin chill son,your a lawyer right talk about how over 12000 katrina victims are getting kicked out of hotels right, or corretta scott king, TD jakes nigga something other than how you hate hip hop purist. And what the fuck is wrong with knowing your hip hop history prick? Its ours. If we dont know it whos gonna reiterate this vital info 10-15 yrs down the road, cause it does matter. What you wanna erase it and start over cause the south is getting shine now?
    What you vex cause almighty ATL or the south aint mentioned in the origins of this shit or is it the fact that its ALL NYC history that pisses you off? You niggas may not rhyme about killing each other and rocks or whatever YOU think NYC is all about, but what your trying to do is destroy what hip hop means and what it has always meant just because the ball is in your court right now, like it aint real for blacks EVERYWHERE. Fuck your hood, like I say fuck mine, they got us trapped and locked in these ‘hoods’ pitting us against each other glorifing the life we are forced to live just for entertainment and they dont care where your from….shit your the one who has more of a voice than I do, use your fucking brain and this forum to start talking for real chump, fuck your cry baby talk….

    AND DONT DARE RESPOND BECAUSE UNLIKE OTHERS YOU CAN’T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE!!!

  137. Kryptonite Says:

    To: Truth

    Homie, I’m not trying to stir up anything…

    I just write from a perspective you’re not used to seeing and you, like so many of your illogical-minded brethren, take the shit personally due to what I assume to be a mixture of envy, misunderstanding, and laziness to read further than the thoughts of mine that piss you off.Now, I don’t need to insult your intelligence, because your horrid writing presentation did that number for you…

    You’re so worried about me, a dude that’s trying to write about issues affecting black people from a Southern Perspective, what the fuck are you doing?

    I’m going to law school this upcoming fall to help my people, so “don’t you dare” insult me with your inability to read and more importantly grasp some of the concepts I write about on this page.

    Use them to better yourself and widen your conceptual horizons outside of your own limited life experiences.

    “Fuck Your Brain and Fuck this and that”… Very original my friend… There’s a saying young brotha that vulgar profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to express itself forcefully…

    So two quick words of advice, one, purchase a thesaurus. Two, if you’re not fond of Southern Hip-Hop, you’d look less moronic if you were to just leave one of the most self-humiliating comments yet!

    Peace

  138. E From BK Says:

    And you calling people dumbass is enlightening?

  139. E From BK Says:

    Why would anybody buy your book? The title alone is far fetched and now that I hear your point of view it’s a definite non factor. You are a very immature individual. You continue to insult people where insults are not warranted. What this shows is your lack of compelling testimony so you now have to redirect towards something that is not even relevant. STICK TO THE FACTS! Mention whoever you want to mention: Muddy Waters, James Brown, Monk, hell even Elvis, but the bottom line is that Hip Hop as a complete concept was birthed in a particular region. There is no ifs ands or buts about it. Nobody is downing the South. You are the one causing the divide by not being truthful. Many posts ago it has been stated was was liked and what was not liked musically. You cannot rewrite history! It’s too soon for it to be lied about. The way they rewrote Jesus, the way the rewrote the origins of the sciences, math, and the arts. You can’t do it! Also, it’s funny how you mentioned your law degree. I’m proud that there is another brother infiltrating the judicial system but it means nothing unless you use it to uplift. The way you insult people, you are not uplifting. You need to get that right. Also, just because you are in law school it does not make you more knowledgeable about everything.

  140. E From BK Says:

    @Truth

    They do rhyme about those things by the way.

  141. E From BK Says:

    Again, NOBODY IS DOWNING THE SOUTH. We love the culture when it comes from emcees that are QUALITY!

    STIC.MAN, LITTLE BROTHER, T.I., SCARFACE, UGK, 4IZE, HAZIQ, TRICK DADDY, DAVID BANNER, OUTKAST.

    All in rotation in my changer at ay given time!

  142. E From BK Says:

    Oh yeah, I believe Luda moved to the ATL in middle school not when he was three.

  143. E From BK Says:

    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_25_107/ai_n15686636

  144. Kryptonite Says:

    Im not trying to rewrite history, im just trying to give respect where it is due. Your just not contempt with the fact that many people believe that redit has slipped out of history where it is due. The only thing your hatting amongst is my logical thoughts on where respect is due. Yes, I do mention names when I argue my point and they are facts. Your just pissed at the thought that the history of hip hop as a whole could possibly not be all birhed in New York. I remember watching the lyricists lounge on the “Dirty States Of America DVD” (Which you probably have not seen. Otherwise you would know what im talking about. A old school southern MC said that Ny rappers had major recording companies right next door to them. In the south we went every where and you heard our music out of the trunk. Back then most radio genere’ was based out of NY. Now that our own people host these radio stations we are more contempt with listening to our own music. Does that hurt NY no, your just getting a taste of your own medicine. Secondly, he talked about how the filming industry was big in cities like New York and L.A. a lot of down south rap was on the underground since the late 1970’s. The filming industry started in north flordia (antoher part of culture that was shipped off to ny). But anyway, we never had a chance to truly represent ourselves. How can one compare the orgins of Math and Scince to that of Hip Hop because credit was lost in the midists of this shit. I use my knowledge to write from a perspective that like many others piss you off and you go on a paragraph relay to try to convince me otherwise, that’s not a good look folk. When did I ever say you dissed the south, I just think credit is missing and nothing that your two summary pages can do to change my mind.

  145. Kryptonite Says:

    Just put yourself in our shoes. Name another way to demand respect without being riduclued for trying to rewrite history. History can be proven wrong t folk, ever heard of scientific theories.

  146. Kryptonite Says:

    Watch out for the new Outkast album comming soon!

  147. Kryptonite Says:

    Who really cares if he was orn in Chicago he reps the south to the fullesr. Thats just like sayig Tupac wasn’t for the west coast, and kanye west isn’t from chicago.

  148. Kryptonite Says:

    History is a liar nothings perfect folk.

  149. E From BK Says:

    You are hilariously disillusioned! It is incredible! This is the same thing Public School has done to the African and his development(not contribution), but development to the world. Man you need to get a grip on reality. I’m not going to continually beat a dead horse because there is but one to state a fact! Look, it is what it is. You are trying to start something that is not there. I stated some of the music I like and that is FACT. Hip Hop started where it started and that is FACT! The only reason I corrected you about Luda is because you brought up an untruth and I had to show you FACT. You are not as knowledgeable as you think. You keep using the word hate. What the hell is hating? It’s cool that you are conviced Hip Hop started in the South, but not just deep down, on the surface even, you know the total truth. You are just using your point of view to pimp some of the feeble minded people who don’t know any better. The true people know where the truth is. You are just trying to capitalize off of the ignorant to help you pay for law school because you know the subject is somewhat controversial. Again, you are not as smart as you think you are. That whole tricknology shit does not work with me. I know you don’t believe half of that BS you are spouting. It’s cool though Bro. I respect your hustle. Get your money……………….but at what cost?

  150. E From BK Says:

    Oh yeah……………………One!

  151. Kryptonite Says:

    E From BK

    oh, Im loving this

    Off top, I can tell you are beyond ignorant trying to hide behind the metaphorical mask of a “let me appear to be intelligent”. I never mentioned rewriting history I just want credit to be giving where it is due.

    You’re probably profoundly uneducated, doing absolutely nothing with your life, finding it impossible to get some ass because your menial life isn’t worth shit to any self-respecting female, and to keep the one ounce of self-esteem you still somehow mangage to hold for yourself, to ironically not give your own people credit.

    well I say you should stop reading blogs and find something deeper, as in a book, that can enrich your obvious inability to critically think and/or express yourself without resorting to opion stated comments that are argumentive. History is argumentive so deal with it.

  152. Kryptonite Says:

    Peace Folk

  153. Kryptonite Says:

    Homie I don’t need a book to get into Law School, being villa victoran of my class already did the number for me.

  154. E From BK Says:

    Attention: Do you all see that when someone is intelligently debated and they don’t have a concrete comeback that they resort to insults? It’s sad, but his true personality was exposed. I think it’s great! Anyway, I now know what I am dealing with so therefore there is no need for me to resond any further. I just wanted to show you all how a coward hides behind insults. One!

  155. truly wretched Says:

    If its tru that he melted down hes golden eagle , i wish he woulda took a flic
    of it for the album. bcuz that ish ‘ was tight , ghostface kills em’ all with just style alone. the beats on fishscale are what hip-hop is all ’bout, and on
    top of it all hes just a funny ass lyricist.

  156. M.I.A BABY GURL Says:

    E From BK

    This will be the last time I respond to any of your comments just to show people how igronant you truly are. I think it’s flipped the other way aroung folk. I just wrote half of a paragraph with examples of how I think the southern rap movement has (or has always contributed to hip hop) then you go on to disagree with me without an attempt to prove yourself otherwist. Its kind of funny how you make yourself seem somewhat intelligent but don’t respond to FACTS vulgarally. Very ironic how you come at me as a dude writing from his and others like him own perspective. Then hide behind your igroonance but don’t fail to expose yourself for the ho nigga you truly are. So, until you do that peace fuckboy.

  157. Kryptonite Says:

    And I wrote that.

  158. eskay Says:

    This is very simple people. Hip hop started in the Bronx. It had heavy Caribbean influences as well as funk and Disco.

    Jazz and Blues eventually contributed to hip hop but they were by no means the catalyst.

    If there was no South, there would still be hip hop.

    End of discussion.

  159. Kryptonite Says:

    And where did funk start.

    End of discussion.

  160. Kryptonite Says:

    But it’s cool though we still doing our thing reguardless of all the bashing.

  161. Kryptonite Says:

    “If there was no South, there would still be hip hop.”

    Your probably right but the sound of hip hop wouldn’t change

  162. E From BK Says:

    Funk started in Jersey.

  163. Kryptonite Says:

    eskay

    You should do a blog about 50 dissing the south. Didn’t you hear about it.

  164. Kryptonite Says:

    “Funk started in Jersey.”

    LOL

  165. E From BK Says:

    Plainfield, NJ to be exact.

  166. Kryptonite Says:

    Sometimes while discussing Soul/Funk music we tend to forget that the music did not exist in a vacuum. The music was a product of the existing environment of the time in which the musicians who created it lived.. If the period of Soul is roughly defined as 1955 – 1970. It very much parallels the Civil Rights movement. I would maintain that Soul music and the Civil Rights movement had a duel impact on each other. One example that I can think of right off the top of my head is A Change Is Gonna Come by Sam Cooke. Another would be the image of Aretha Frankin singing at the funeral of Dr. King.

  167. E From BK Says:

    If it were not for Plainfield, NJ there would be no funk.

  168. Kryptonite Says:

    James Brown is funk and so is jazz. Let’s stop beating around the bush, funk started in the south.

  169. E From BK Says:

    They won’t attack 50 because 50 defines Hip Hop for alot of people eskay.

  170. E From BK Says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clinton_(funk_musician)

  171. Kryptonite Says:

    Funk started with slaves singing in churches. It came from jazz and high pithed rock n roll.

  172. eskay Says:

    Your reaching Kryptonite. Because Funk may or may not have startted in the South and Hip hop drew some influnce from it, that means that if it wasn’t for the South thered be no hip hop?

    Come on dog stop making ridiculous statements. yall talk about we dont wanna give yall any credit but look at you trying to take our legacy away from us.

    we admit that the South contributed to hip hop, but like I said, it’d still be here without ya’ll.

  173. E From BK Says:

    Please read that his musical creativeness is centered around Plainfield, NJ and the community at large.

  174. Kryptonite Says:

    JAZZ=FUNK
    Dont do this again BK lets not start this shit again.

  175. E From BK Says:

    I’m talking th eskay not you. You are beneath me.

  176. Kryptonite Says:

    George Clinton isn’t funk James Brown is. The funk influence was already celebrated around the south before he even came out.

  177. E From BK Says:

    You already proved you are not formidable.

  178. Kryptonite Says:

    50 dissing southern rappers like D4L or methaphorically the whole south is like the pot calling the kettle black.

  179. E From BK Says:

    Where is the outrage?

  180. Kryptonite Says:

    Eskay

    First you said the south didn’t contribute to hip hop now you saying it did. Stop beating around the bush.

    Ignores E from BK

  181. E From BK Says:

    LOL

  182. eskay Says:

    ^ Kryptonite your a clown. I never said that. show me where I said that you fool.

    gtfoh with this shit: “George Clinton isn’t funk”

  183. Kryptonite Says:

    Like I say I speak from a southern perspective of black people who have managed to hold on to more of our homeland’s roots than any African-Americans elsewhere in the country were ever able to.

    I believe that’s NY who has the major-label issues selling out to Bret, Samantha, and Clive Davis and getting their records pushed back like ya boy Ghost…

  184. eskay Says:

    ^ yeah thats what I thought. you can’t point out where I said that so you resort to cheap shots @ Ghost. whatever man

    Ghost > Your favorite rapper

  185. The Landlord Says:

    Truth bodied Kryptonite at 8:22am, April 5th…..

  186. Kryptonite Says:

    Possibly, you thought I was one of the unfortunate cases of our people that you could just go at and feel that your dick was bigger.

    But don’t get it twisted, I have two undergraduate degrees from a highly respected research institution. And you???

  187. eskay Says:

    ^ this dude is the master of irrelevant facts. stick your two degrees up your ass.

  188. E From BK Says:

    All that education and nowhere to go!

  189. Kryptonite Says:

    I HATE WHEN PEOPLE COMPARE THE SOUTH TO THE WEST.

    THE WEST COAST HAS TOO MUCH OF A LEGACY TO BE PUT IN A CATEGORY WITH A BUNCH OF COONS.

    THIS IS LIKE A WORLD WAR THE WEST COAST IS LIKE “GREAT BRITIAN” AND THE EAST COAST IS LIKE “THE UNITED STATES”

    THE EAST AND WEST ARE JUST TRYING TO PUT HIP HOP BACK IN IT’S PROPER STATE (1990-1995)

    AND DON’T GET IT TWISTED WITH THAT EAST VS WEST THING TTHE EAST AND WEST HAVE LOVE FOR EACHOTHER.

  190. Kryptonite Says:

    IM DUMB TOO

    I KNOW THE SOUTH DIDN’T START HIP HOP

  191. Kryptonite Says:

    To the dude postin under my name

    You did a WW2 reference that had nothing to do with this particular post but was obviously something you remembered from the one night back in 1998 when you had to study extremely hard one night to avoid failing your 4th course of the semester, which you probably ultimately did anyway.

    Had you truly understood what you studied about WW2, you would have come at me with the U.S. and Russia alliance instead of bringing up Great Britain.

    First off, Great Britain was getting their ass bombed heavily on a nightly basis by Germany and all of Churchill’s people were beyond terrified living in the U.K. at the time, so if that’s the Allied Country you used to represent the West Coast in your bullshit argument, that wouldn’t sit too well with The Westside Connection and all others who have fought for Left Coast respect.

    Also, remind me again how that East Coast-West Coast Hip-Hop alliance worked back in the day? You must be a tweenie, because as far back as I can remember, it wasn’t a U.S./Great Britain-like coalition. It was a Harry Truman/Joseph Stalin like coalition which as I said, had you truly known what you tried to cite with me, you would have used Russia instead of Great Britain as your example (does the Cold War ring a bell?). Dumbass…

    So, I’m assuming one of two things about you though. #1, you’re a white west coast “gangsta” who has no clue of the concept of the early 20th century Great Migration among black folk.

    If I got that wrong, the only other jackass you can be is a complete and total embarrassment to your people.

    So get at me Mr. Self-Loathing Coon. Otherwise, apologize to your people and don’t waste your time writing one-liners that prove and show beyond a reasonable doubt the ho ass nigga you truly are.

  192. Kryptonite Says:

    “this dude is the master of irrelevant facts. stick your two degrees up your ass.”

    LOL

  193. eskay Says:

    ^ lol @ this dude dissing himself then coming back with an overzealous, irrelevant history lesson so he can look smart.

    Kryptonite, care to explain why those comments about the west in ALL CAPS came from exactly the same email address and computer that you’re commenting from?

  194. E From BK Says:

    LOL

  195. ANNOMOUS Says:

    Your calling me names but i didn’t call you any.

    To write from a perspective that makes our black people who have struggled for so long look like bammas isn’t a worthy perspective .

    When you want to grab the mind of a listner you want to point out aspects that are worhty.

    Just because a bunch of bammers yell loud chants into a mic does not put NY Hip Hop out of it’s credibility.

    Use better logical meaning that can enrich my mind into giving THE SOUTH CREDIT..

    The East and the West are trying to put hip hop back where it was 1990-1997 to it’s PROPER perspective.

    What styles has the south contributed to hip hop?

    Please tell me because,

    pimppin started in the west, and then the bammers tryin to be gangsters.

    Then they steal bay area sounds and try to put heavy bass tunes which is just old east coast beats stolen by the south.

    Even Snoop Dogg said some dudes stole low ryders from the west and he couldn’t of been talkin about the east cause they aren’t even into cars like that.

    And hyphy movement started way before crunk started.

    Just like ATL stole that bounce from new orleans and bass from miami and new york.

    The only southern city i have respect for is houston because they have their own orginal style “CHOPPED N SCREWED”.

    So, don’t attack me with hurtful words homie.

    The west and the east have always had love for each other it was just that death row vs. bad boy.

    So don’t try to put the east and west aganist each other.

  196. Webster Says:

    I heard Ghostface album on BET.COM it sounds good. I just dont think it will sell as much as it should.

    Shout out to Albany, GA best city in GA.

  197. that boi Says:

    I DONT CARE FOR THAT GHOSTFACE ALBUM.

    I MOSTLY LISTEN TO SNAP, REGGATON AND 50 CENT.

  198. E From BK Says:

    No doubt. I love Albany. I was out there for two weeks some years ago. There are some very friendly women out there!

  199. that boi Says:

    REAL HIP HOP IS MORE OF ARTICSIC VALUES.

    LIKE:

    MIKE JONES REPEATING HIS NAME NOW THATS NEW AND CREATIVE.

    D4L COMMING UP WITH SOMETHING NEW LIKE SNAP

    HIP HOP EVOLVES IT DOES NOT STAY THE SAME

    HIP HOP IS MORE OF CREATIVITY NOT LYRICALL

  200. E From BK Says:

    Damn eskay. You shut that cat down by simply exposing him!

  201. Webster Says:

    Do you mean Albany, GA or Albany, NY because many people get them confused not saying they are the same.

    The women down here are not hores, women everywhere are frendly.

  202. E From BK Says:

    Albany, GA

  203. Webster Says:

    I haft to admit I kind of like snap music. I wouldnt call it Hip Hop its just a dance.

  204. Webster Says:

    I think people should put their ears more into Albany because we have just as much quality music as ATL.

  205. E From BK Says:

    Not calling them whores. They just showed me a good time while I was out there. Those were my single days. I’m wearing the hardware now.

  206. Webster Says:

    It might be awhile before I buy the album because I lost my job.lol

    But ill get Fishscale as soon as I can.

  207. Webster Says:

    Hopefully Field Mob can represent Albany good enough so that more attention can flow our way.

  208. joe 88 Says:

    damn krypto you were pronounce dead at April 5th 2006 11:38 am.
    B more original
    LOL :-)

  209. joe 88 Says:

    ^^^ pronounce dead on April 5th 2006 at 11:38am. Damn ;-(
    B more aware

  210. E From BK Says:

    Just another case of “smart, dumb cats”

  211. Webster Says:

    To be honest I never knew about Ghostface as a individual artist. I just knew Wu-Tang, and Method Man. I really loved that C.R.E.A.M. song Wu-Tang did. Thats probably why I plan to buy Fishscale. I dont really find it offending IF Ghostface dissed the south in some kind of way, people have their own thoughts.

  212. MEGA' Says:

    Don’t get it twisted I love the NYC (all five boroughs), but just because Cool Herc threw a few records on at a block party does not mean that hip hop started in the Bronx, I don’t give a fuck what any book says. Maybe people started calling it “Hip-Hop” in the Bronx, but black people and Latino people all over the country were doing the same thing at the same time in the early 70’s. Hip hop is bigger than just New York, even though I will agree that hip hop’s greatest manifestation took place in New York. Hip Hop is not only rapping son, It’s the way you walk, the way you talk, It’s a way of life (was the first person to tag a train from the Bronx?) Hip Hop is powerful, way more powerful than any other current musical form today, that’s why devils invest major chips to water it down with ignorance. They’re extremely afraid of its power (ask Bill O’Riley). Hip Hop should be uniting us, not dividing us. Go to any major European city; Paris, London, Berlin doesn’t matter they’re all ridding our dick with this Hip Hop shit. I’ve seen -German cats with gold fronts and Yankees caps on, I’ve heard French kids calling each other “Dun”; “White” Dutch kids rockin wave caps, back spinning and shit. This shit is big B, and it belongs to all of us East, West, South or Mid-west. And oh yeah, just so you know, the south does not have a monoply on ignorance, there is just as many dumb niggas in Brooklyn, trust me I know.

  213. eskay Says:

    >>just because Cool Herc threw a few records on at a block party does not mean that hip hop started in the Bronx

    uh actually yeah it does.

    >>I don’t give a fuck what any book says.

    you should

    >>Maybe people started calling it “Hip-Hop” in the Bronx, but black people and Latino people all over the country were doing the same thing at the same time in the early 70’s.

    So all of the history and research that has been done on the subject means nothing. it’s all wrong. you all of a sudden pop up in 2006 with this revelation? I guess there was a conspiracy to give the Bronx the credit? come on homey. read a book. Start with Can’t Stop Won’t Stop by Jeff Chang

  214. The Landlord Says:

    eskay, you better get up now and leave the country…..po-po is looking for you in connection with the disappearance of Kryptonite….”this dude is the master of irrelevant facts”….DAMN, i wish i would’ve said that shit….

  215. E From BK Says:

    @Mega

    What do you think Hip Hop is?

    Oh yeah, the first person to tag a train was probably from the Bronx or somewhere in NY. Can you dispute it?……………………Intelligently.

  216. MEGA' Says:

    I’m not the smartest guy in the world, but I would bet my welfare check that the worlds first tag probably originated some where along the same time of the worlds first subway which was established in London in 1863. And I don’t believe everything that I read in a book, I think for myself. I have common sense enough to come to the conclusion that thousands of people from thousands of places had records before Herc, and I’m sure that thousands of people experimented and threw parties before Herc also. Herc was just in a place where it could be documented by the media. That’s logic B! Hip Hop may have manifested itself through the numerous media outlets established in New York, but does that mean that the first person to scratch a record or throw a block party was from the Bronx that is an impossible statement to prove. I’m not debating the fact that the Bronx played a huge part in pulling it all together and presenting it to the world, but absolutely nothing you say can convince me that they were the first to do it. Stop putting labels on this culture; it’s bigger than that, that’s all I’m saying.

  217. E From BK Says:

    That is absolutely absurd. I’m sure there was somebody that used to take a rag and wipe the floor before the mop was created, I’m sure there was light before the light bulb was invented, I’m sure there was fire before a stove was invented, I’m sure people found a way to write even before there were pens, I’m sure there was electricity before your local power company decided to charge you for it, I’m sure that they knew heat would get wrinkles out of clothes before the iron was invented. I can go on and on for days. Come on man! Don’t degregate the culture by minimilizing the founder of that culture!

  218. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    I would listen to Ghostface album, but not what he says pubically.

  219. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    “This is Southern, face it If we too simple, then y’all don’t get the basics.”

    -Lil Wayne-

  220. sexy&sweet Says:

    im from the south and i am one of the finest bitches in ga and i dont appreciate this ugly ass mutherfucher name ghost face whatever dissing the south the only reason his is ghostface is because he is not seen or remenbered he is that lame.

    He wont come the real durty durty with that shit and say it man to man he will get his ass shot

    representing the A
    Holding it down

  221. E From BK Says:

    Where do you live in the “A”?

  222. eskay Says:

    too bad he didn’t dis the south, pay attention.

  223. sexy&sweet Says:

    why do u want to know?

  224. E From BK Says:

    I live in the “A” and I just wanted to make a point based off of what you see daily.

  225. sexy&sweet Says:

    Hey look here eskay u are a nobody and will never amount to nothing what kind of name is that u have it sounds like to me that u like it in the booty

    u know what all gay guys say HEEEEEEYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

    tOOTIE FRUTIE IN THE BOOYIE

    dONT FUCH WITH ME CAUSE YOU WILL GET UR FEELINGS HURT!!!!!!!!!!

  226. sexy&sweet Says:

    TO E FROM BK: holla at ur girl i live in americus it 3 hours futher down south from atlanta and i have a great future ahead of unlike some other people on this web site !!!!!!!!!!!

  227. E From BK Says:

    Why are you dissing people on this site? What’s really going on?

  228. sexy&sweet Says:

    CAUSE U GUYS ARE LAME AND I DONT APPRECIATE GHOST FACE WHATEVER HIS NAME IS TALKING ABOUT US.

    d4l IS THE HOTTEST THING GOING IN THE SOUTH AND HE HATING CA USE HIS CAREER IS FADING AWAY HE NEEDS TO STICK TO DOING MTV2 COMMERCIALS

    PUNK ASS NIGGA

  229. E From BK Says:

    So I guess when you said you live in the “A” you were talking about Americus. Well I actually live in the “A.” I work on Donald Lee Hollowell PKWY (the world knows it as Bankhead). Atlanta is just like any other hood in America (I say America because the hoods in other countries are MUCH rougher). He can come to Atlanta and say anything he wants to say and there is a 99.9% chance that not a thing will happen to him. It’s no softer or no rougher than any place else. You should chill with the gun talk because real things happen around the world. Now that I am thinking about it, your comments are probably a joke. This is coming from Kryptonite or somebody like that.

  230. sexy&sweet Says:

    whateva thats why i fuck wit south niggas faggot.

  231. eskay Says:

    E, you know she’s probably only like Eleventeen. She said D4L is the hottest thing in the South! I’m sure a bunch of real southerners would disagree with that statement.

    She’s since been ran off the site anyway so whatever.

  232. E From BK Says:

    Who cares who you fuck with? Did I ask you that?

  233. E From BK Says:

    Yeah, her mother probably came home and busted her on the computer. I forgot Eskay. These kids in Georgia are on Spring break this week.

  234. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Check out Rick Ross interview on SOHH.COM:

    With a strong buzz and a co-sign from Jay-Z, Ross is poised to add to the south’s current reign. In recent weeks, New York emcees like Ghostface and 50 Cent have criticized the South, citing that its artists dumb down their lyrics in favor of party-oriented songs. Ross disagrees.

    “I mean they gotta listen to the music,” Ross, who said he considers himself a lyricist, told SOHH. “I ain’t worried about other niggas cause I don’t even hear other niggas’ music like that. That’s their opinion, but whatever. You gotta hear the music. I know my shit [is] on another level. Listen to my music and then make that comment, you’ll sound stupid.” [Listen]

  235. MEGA' Says:

    @ E from BK
    Believe what you want son; It does’nt matter anyway, it bigger than the Bronx and NYC now! Can you name for me the one person who invented jazz; can you name for me the one person who invented gospel; can you tell me the one person who invented Rock and Roll; That is totally obsurd! They all come from each other!!!!!!!!!God, you nigga’s is dumb as fuck!

  236. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    MEGA where you from?

  237. MEGA' Says:

    I’m from Planet Earth.

  238. E From BK Says:

    @Mega

    Thanks for letting me know that I frustrated you with facts. How I know I frustrated you is because you went to attacking me. Why would you do that? You show that you are dumb as fuck when you go to attacking people. Don’t get my nice guy shit twisted Duke. I’ve just been around long enough to know not to mash on somebody unless they fuck with you. When you learn these things you will find that your quality of life will improve ten fold, you’ll get some pussy and your blood pressure won’t be so high. Oh yeah…………………………………..Fuck you, you test tube baby!

  239. E From BK Says:

    Oh yeah…………Why are you saying son? Do you know why people even started saying that? Do you even know that “son” is not the complete saying? Why are YOU using lingo that you probably have absolutely no education about?

  240. MEGA' Says:

    @ E From Bk
    You gotta be kidding me!!! You are gonna school me on Knowledge? I’m from Brooklyn to cousin; I know exactly what I’m saying, so go read some more books By “Jeff Chang”. By the way you talk I can tell that you’re just a cub scout. There is a big difference between Knowledge and Wisdom, you may “think” that you’re kickin a little Knowledge, but your so called “intelligence” has no substance, scrapling! Go find yourself kid.
    What is HIP HOP?
    It’s the voice of the people of the streets,
    It’s the voice of the disenfranchised,
    It’s the heart of the struggle,
    It’s the rhythm of our Ancestors,
    It’s the drum beat of Africa,
    It’s an expression of our Caribbean heritage,
    It’s an offspring of our fore fathers Blues,
    It’s a defiant stance against the oppressors,
    It’s a celebration of our essence,
    It’s a celebration of are style,
    I guess all that started in the south Bronx huh?
    Get your mind right “son” and start shinning.

  241. E From BK Says:

    Why are you spelling it son? Also, what is the complete saying baby boy?

  242. E From BK Says:

    The problem with young people like yourself is that you don’t stay on track. You get emotional and you let the emotion blind you from the task at hand. Either that or you just don’t read well and don’t understand things. It’s okay though, I will get you back on track and do it without being nasty. I agreed that the pioneers of Hip Hop got their own personal influences from various aspects of various lives and culture, however, Hip Hop as a collective and a genre WAS manifested in the Bronx! Do I need to go over what I told you before? Look at my posts about other inventions and where the thought came from, but the manisfestation of it came through a specific person. Damn B! Come on, it’s okay to say you don’t know or understand as much as you thought you did. That’s what being a real man is about. I’m not mad at you. I don’t even know you, but as a youngster in the community I feel that I must give you the truth. Stop letting emotion control everything that you do.

    About the whoe Sun thing. Stop spelling it Son. If you are going to address me then address me properly. Also, you did not tell me the proper usage of that term. What is it at length?

  243. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    I agree with you MEGA!

  244. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Being a real man is about saying and speaking what you beleive. I also don’t beleive hip hop as a whole didnt start in the Bronx! I say what I beleive and I beleive that many art forms of music that started in the carribeans and the south contributed to hip hop. It was made national by New York because New York is a national airwave of expression. Most people out of the United States only see New York as a city in America. Anything that New York puts out is considered all consious and reviolutinart. I got a lot of respect for New York for being the first to EXPOSE hip hop to the world. But hip hop as a whole did not start in New York.

  245. E From BK Says:

    Cosmic 5000 Says:

    April 7th, 2006 at 10:21 am
    Being a real man is about saying and speaking what you beleive. I also don’t beleive hip hop as a whole didnt start in the Bronx!

    Do you see how the truth surfaces? Look at what you wrote! You said this. This shows that no matter what untruth you want to tell the truth is deep within you. You just could not hold it back.

  246. MEGA' Says:

    “Save You now” if you are referring to the original “5 percent” meaning of “sun”. what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Good for you; your a Godbody. keep studying your lessons G.

  247. E From BK Says:

    You still have not answered fully. It’s okay money. Stay up though!

  248. MEGA' Says:

    Always

  249. MEGA' Says:

    Just becase you market a mop for the first time does not mean that you invented it.
    “No idea’s original, there’s nothin new under the sun
    It’s never what you do, but how it’s done
    What you base your happiness around material, women, and large paper
    That means you inferior, not major” Nas

  250. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Excuse me but those are my thoughts. I got a lot of respect for New York and the examples they have given the west,south and the midwest not just for hip hop but just by giving all black people in the country an opportunity to share hip hop. Just because I dont thing it ALL started in the Bronx I still have love for the east and listen to their music. I feverybody thought the same this world would be so boring.

    I already got Fishscale listened to the whole album last night my opinion “a classic”!

  251. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Nobody invented anything. Hip Hop was discovered, not invented by a particular region. Art forms of music from other regions invented hiph op as one, the Bronx discovered it, much love and respect to the Bronx though!

  252. eskay Says:

    Cosmic and Mega, get over yourselves. seriously. Hip hop was discovered? stop trying to twist facts around to make your argument sound rational.

    if you say hip hop as a culture manifested itself from different factors drawn from different people and places, then fine. but to say that the music we call hip hop didn’t originate in the Bronx, at 1520 Sedgwick Ave to be precise, then your just talking out your ass.

  253. MEGA' Says:

    The point I’m trying to drive home is that when ever people use the argument that “hip hop started in the Bronx” as a blanket statement and totally ignore its roots; or use that statement to project some kind of “Hip Hop Superiority”, I feel obligated to pull your card, because that’s not what it’s about. I respect Herc as “one of” the many founding fathers of the Hip Hop movement. I also respect the Bronx for playing a major role; but, I also give respect due to the nameless cats that get no respect whatsoever. Hip Hop is only a blossum on the tree of African American expressionism that was planted by our ancestors in the south. Its Human nature to place a figure head on something in order to feel good about the fact that they don’t fully understand it. We gotta box every thing up nice and neat to feel smart and safe. The fact of the matter is that Hip Hop needs no figure head. It speaks for its self. You gotta take the good with the bad. You can’t say that your crazy crack head uncle Junebug is not part of your family simply because you don’t like him; blood is blood.
    -Thats my closing statement-

  254. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    I think it was FIRST discovered in the Bronx. It orginated in the Bronx but not birhted.

  255. eskay Says:

    so where’d it start then? are you saying it had no specific starting point? Cuz what I’m saying is, it drew influences from many places, but the music as we know it now, started in the Bronx.

  256. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Man has his own thoughts, its a proven fact. Its natural for many people to feel that hip hop did not start in the Bronx. Your probably not contempt or dont agree because your from the east. People in different regions have different views and if your not aware of that then you were born yesterday. You cant always state facts because if they were FACTS then they wouldnt be argumentive.

  257. MEGA' Says:

    Much love to Cosmic; I know you understand B. Spread Knowledge and wisdom!
    MEGA’ Magnetic

  258. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    It has no orginal place, black people as a whole birhted it.

  259. eskay Says:

    >>It has no orginal place, black people as a whole birhted it.

    yeah that sounds good, but what does it mean. explain that statement.

  260. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Still got mad respect for the Bronx though!

  261. eskay Says:

    ^ thats what I thought

  262. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Black people from all over contributed to hip hop. To say that one region of black people started it is just unfair. You haft to look at history far back from the 1970’s and learn about the seeds that planted hip hop as it grew in the Bronx. Black people need not to argue over hip hop it’s all ours!

  263. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    “^ thats what I thought”

    Why wouldnt I have respect for the Bronx, without them and other regional influences Hip Hop wouldnt exist.

  264. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    MEGA has mad wisdom!

  265. eskay Says:

    no the “thats what i thought” was directed at you because you ignored my question.

    now listen up

    “contributed to” and “started” are two different things. you guys are arguing that other people contributed to the artform which me and E aren’t disputing. What we’re saying is that all of those infulences came together in the Bronx to birth hip hop.

  266. dj Groove Says:

    Just face it that the South has sucka emcees and NY has sucka emcees. The fact that all radio stations lose their local identity for what they think is the hottest trend is what is irritating everybody. I remember when I would travel down south and they wouldn’t play no Jay, Nas or Big on the radio, just their regional shit that was popping and I was cool with that. I ‘d hate to travel to the West Coast and only hear some East coast cats on the radio because I’d like to soak up that local flavor (E40, Heiroglyphics, Mac Dre, MC 8, Murs, DPG, Ras Kass, Snoop, Bad Azz and etc). Everybody’s getting mad but ignoring the true Hip Hop enemy which is Corporate White (yes, I said it) America. They got us again. They took Jazz from us and we lost interest in it. Don’t let it happen to Hip Hop!!!!!!!!!!!!

  267. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    “all of those infulences came together in the Bronx to birth hip hop. ”

    Ok, then why is it an issue, it started in the Bronx. But the art form that is being discussed could of came together anywhere to birth hip hop.

    Im just saying, black people should not alienate other black people. Thats just what the white man wants. I don’t care which region runs hip hop, it all ours. This whole “the south runnin this” and “the bonx birthed it” is just stupid. Let your fellow african americans enjoy it and dont say who’s better than who, we all have talent. We all have a right to express that talent in hip hop.

  268. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    dj groove

    I strongly agree!!!

  269. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    White people have tooken over something that is ours. While we sit here like fools and argue over it.

  270. eskay Says:

    >>Ok, then why is it an issue, it started in the Bronx.

    you tell me, you’re the one arguing it.

    >>I’m just saying, black people should not alienate other black people.

    who’s alienating black people? because I want credit to be given where it’s due? don’t be ridiculous. stop trying to make the argument about something else.

    and I will say we’re better than whoever because that’s a matter of pride. stop acting like black people can’t criticise other black people. and what’s it have to do with race anyway? what if Paul Wall says Eminem is wack?

  271. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    In the south we rarley hear Nas, Tribe Called Quest, Mobb Deep they just play southern rap and local music. We should not divde ourselves like that. I enjoy listening to music from my northern cousins, midwestern and western it’s all us.

  272. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Ok, then in the matter of pride I will say Southern Rap is better “which at some point I do beleive” is that so bad, it is pride isn’t it?

  273. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Lets just end this argument by saying that this is all a matter of “Pride” then. You know “Ego”!

  274. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    Unfortentally in the south we don’t have “Ego” well we dont take it to far. We stick together, during slavery we had to.

  275. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    “what if Paul Wall says Eminem is wack?”

    Lyrically Eminem would murk him, eventually ending his career!

  276. eskay Says:

    >>Ok, then in the matter of pride I will say Southern Rap is better

    that’s fine. you should feel that way. and yeah it may be ego but so what, I hear an awful lot of ego coming from the south these days

  277. eskay Says:

    >>Lyrically Eminem would murk him, eventually ending his career!

    I agree. at least we agree on something.

  278. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    So this is all about EGo case closed?

  279. eskay Says:

    well I don’t think it’s all about ego, but yeah it definitley has something to do with it.

  280. E From BK Says:

    The original thought had nothing to do with which region you think has better Hip Hop. The thought was that Hip Hop as a collective was birthed in NY! Bottom line. I don’t care about who you like. I do care that the story is told properly and not just to suit your own ego. That’s where the egos come in. I don’t understand why people are trying to change history. What’s makes it worst is that it’s Black people trying to change Black history. Now that is some devilish shit!

  281. MEGA' Says:

    “Elements” of Hip Hop were first recognized in NYC and then labled! That’s concrete, wack nigga! Stop acting like you the author of this shit and listen!

  282. MEGA' Says:

    I’m not trying to dispute the fact that Hip Hop is New York’s baby; all I’m saying is remember who the mother is. This shit didn’t just pop up out of nowhere! And to those who say that there would still be hip hop if there wasn’t a South are kidding themselves. If there wasn’t a South; African American music as we know it would not exist period.

  283. E From BK Says:

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Another example of how when people don’t really have a valid argument they resort to insults. Why “wack nigga?” Was that really necessary. Be a man about shit. Your opinion is your opinion, it’s just not FACTUAL! Oh yeah; “elements” in Hip Hop were not recognized in NY, they were CREATED there. What you need to do lil homie is get over your little inferiority complex. That shit is all in your head. Nobody thinks you are inferior, but stop showing it by choosing to be disrespectful. It’s not a good look Doola.

  284. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    E From BK:

    I don’t really like you, you are mean. Try having an open mind about shit sometimes. dam

    Quit insulting other people about their opinions. People like you and your “ego” is the main reason the east vs west beef started. Just give respect and stop acting so fucking stuck up. Thats not a good look G.

  285. E From BK Says:

    You don’t like me? I am mean? You sound like a _____________________. You fill in the rest.

    Oh yeah; why have not said anything about your foul mouthed disrespectful bretheren?

  286. Cosmic 5000 Says:

    I need not say more, you just proved your igronance.

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