Busta Video Argument Recorded

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The Daily News reports that a secret audio recording of the events leading up to the murder of Israel Ramirez exists and that they have seen portions of a transcript of said recording.

From the NYDN: 

On the audio recording, the source said, Rhymes appears to be playing peacemaker during an argument that breaks out amid the taping of the video for his song "Touch It (Remix)."

The voice of a third man, whose identity is not clear, is believed to be the shooter.

That man is heard on the recording calling another man, apparently Rhymes, a bitch, according to the transcript.

Because the argument moved outside the studio, the gunshots that killed Ramirez cannot be heard on the recording, the source said. But the mayhem of the immediate aftermath is captured.

"You can hear screaming and the chaos and the 911 call," the source said.

Apparently some scumbag is trying to sell the tape to the media for $50,000 which is just the ultimate disrespect to Ramirez’s family. Not turning the tape over to police is one thing, but to try to profit from something like this is just inexcusable.


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97 Responses to “Busta Video Argument Recorded”

  1. CAPOdiTuttiCAPI Says:

    yea when a chick flips if you so much as lift ya hand to her thats assault doggies. I dont think i woulda called 5-0 and i dealt with crazy broads. but about his mans. if he aint gonna “snitch”. the least he can do is find the niggas who popped his bodyguard and do it like that..its really only two ways to handle this. And Suge is like a evil genius. that nigga should run for president.

  2. strong chef Says:

    its ok all its obvious abc needs some D lmao

  3. beastnigga Says:

    me myself, i wouldn’t look at it as snitchin. because this nigga worked for him 10 years, that’s his boy, his dawg, this is a nigga that would die for you! this in my eyes is my brother. ofcourse this are many parimenters to consider. busta, got his real family that he got to feed, not to mention his career is on the line due to obstruction of justice and the street code. ghetto pass will not be validated. this nigga should in my opinion should out that mothafucka yayo. tell the po-po what he know before he end up in more shit that he can handle. it’s not like he robbed a store and got popped, but his homie got away, so he tell to get less time. player died trying to protect his ass. from now on look at his record sales, this nigga is done. put a fork in him.

  4. Manuel Says:

    You guys sound like Riley from the Boondocks with some of this isht.

  5. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    wow beastnigga i couldnt agree with you more. also to ABCE trust this none of us give a shit if your a girl or a guy if you come out of nowhere talking reckless like that you will catch some heat on here. i mean seriously your words were extremly uncalled for and like beatsnigga said you it defintely had a strong racist tone to it and that wont sit well with people on here

  6. beastnigga Says:

    ‘I M FRANCHIZE/ KNOWN TO TOTE THA NINEZ/ LAYED OUT THA PLAN FOR COLUMBINE/ ASK ME HOW DEEP IN THA GAME I AM/ JUST AS DEEP IZ WHEN THA HAMMER SLAM/ HOW MUCH OF THA GAME I MISSED DUE TO INJURY?ZERO/ I PUMP KILOZ/ MY STEELO, OFF THA FLORIDA STRIP THEY CALL EM’ DIALBLOZ/ IMPORTED AUTOZ/ NOW I’M IN THA ROTTEN APPLE / ROLLIN’ THRU BOUROUGHZ/ KEEP IT THROUGHO/ MY INSTINCTZ, TELL ME ITZ SOME SHIT THAT STINK/ DON’T BLINK,I’M ABOUT 2 BREAK THA BANK/ ME AND HANK, CLUTCH SHOOTIN’ AT THA TANK/…. I AIN’T HEARD FROM MY REAL NIGGAZ IN A MINUTE THAT B UP ON THIS BEE-YATCH!! ESKAY, BIG, BRIDGE HOLLA AT YA BOY!! ONE LUV NIGGAZ!

  7. TL Says:

    Definitions of snitch on the Web:

    hook: take by theft; “Someone snitched my wallet!”
    fink: someone acting as an informer or decoy for the police
    denounce: give away information about somebody; “He told on his classmate who had cheated on the exam”
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    How is a dude named BEASTNIGGA talk about a racist tones
    eskay and TYRONEBIGGUMS the same dude right?!
    As usual NYC Says, black Says, Question Asking Mofo and GET Says speak the truth
    strong chef ,good observation

    By the way TYRONEBIGGUMS, Buck is Gunit/Interscope(he not aftermath at all)

  8. Lili Says:

    For starters, I’m cosigning everything “Black” and “TyroneBiggums” said.

    My people my people, how are we going to release ourselves from this cycle? Sadly those of us who know better do have to continue to carry those who aren’t willing to step outside the box their minds are in.

    There is something called JUSTICE that is defended by the JUSTICE SYSTEM. This is not a new concept; most advanced nations in the world established them and use them to defend and uphold equity.

    Now I know the Black experience in America is a truly unique one, and no one has gone through what we have, however, we have to strive to wrap our minds around the actions of the WORLD –not just the block.

    Snitching is essentially opening your mouth when you don’t need to.

    This is NOT one of those cases.

    If your relative is murdered, raped, or anything else of the sort, is street justice the only avenue that can be exhausted?

    I know it hasn’t been fair to us, and it will still be a while before it is fully fair, but we have to get out of this mentality of handling everything on our own because the police won’t do right by us.

    This shit is serious and deserves a PROPER resolution.

  9. beastnigga Says:

    tl … i ain’t said shit about rascist tone or none of that shit. that wuz somebody else that set the tempo because a bitch named abce got on here and said “NIGGER MEN” big and eskay is not the same person also you mothafuckin fool. if you wuz on here long enough you would see they point of view change. so you come with some shit outta webters and you got it all roled up in a wrap? when you say beastnigga beware i will be unleashed on you thru this . have ya facts str8,nigga. this iz ya first post , don’t jump in shit u know nuthin’ about.

  10. TL Says:

    Question:everybody coming down hard on Busta ,how come Swiss aint catchin heat?? he was the target I’m sure he saw everything (probably saw the sh*t in slow motion)

  11. Lili Says:

    * “It” meaning the system.

  12. Lili Says:

    You’re right, TL. My main problem with the situation is the gunman apparently hopping in Yayo’s car, and no one is calling his name.

    Busta is just the target cuz Israel was protecting him and gave his life in a situation involving probably way more ppl than we’ll ever know.

    Just for clarification, my comment was geared toward the attitude of all those involved in the situation, and the general “stop snitching” sentiment flowing in the hood.

  13. nation of thugacation Says:

    eskay you see what you start
    but you know you the best

  14. TL Says:

    beastnigga Says:

    February 24th, 2006 at 6:38 pm
    ” abce, i’m curious about that “nigger men” comment myself ”

    Yo beastnigga yuz a animal ,a motherf***in animal
    What I said , nigga , is why is a nigga who names himself nigga”curious about that “nigger men” comment “,nigga.
    Now like Yayo you can be curious about that , nigga.
    And I know”big and eskay is not the same person” you Dumbass (its called sarcasm idiot)
    Its called Websters not webters ,fool
    This aint my first post ,nigga
    I said BEASTNIGGA , NOW UNLEASH YOUR BITCH-ASS

  15. cashmere Says:

    i’m with “black”‘s comment. whats the point of even turning on comments on posts like these?

  16. beastnigga Says:

    ‘TL’ you got that off ya chest? i am not a animal. the only people that think i’m animalistic is either hoes i stunt wit or niggas i hurt,or put down. but on the for real doe,let’s get get back to this word nigga. you know the origin,but it’s in our vocab ,some use it as term of indearment (99.9%) of african americans. i’m called beastnigga, because i’m a beast wit the writing skills. nigga comes along because most people can identify wit me, you understand me NIGGA? ALSO THIS IS YA FIRST POST!! ON THIS SITE. I DID HOMEWORK.PLUS, I KNOW HOW 2 READ AND WRITE MOTHAFUCKA, I NEVER SAID MY TYPING SKILLS WAS UP TO PAR, YOU FUCKIN SECRETRAY!!! ANYWAY TL STAY OUT MY WAY . YOU WILL BE EMBRASSED ON THIS BITCH. UNLEASH JUST A LIL BIT AND YA HEAD SWIMMIN’ YOU PUNK ASS FOLLOWER!!

  17. AllChemist Says:

    ABCE, you’re disgusting. What do you get out of disrespecting your own people like that? Thats if youre really black; I don’t know any sisters that go around saying shit like ‘nigger men’. Since you hate yourself so much, you should go kill yourself.

    TL, to most of the hip hop comunity there’s a difference between ‘nigger’ and ‘nigga’. Qtip covered that ten years ago. If you don’t know that you shouldn’t be on a hip hop forum.

  18. ab Says:

    Allchemist,

    Actually 2Pac broke down nigga vs nigger a few yrs before qtip did…but as I get older (and now that i have 2 sons of my own) i think it is time for us to have a serious conversation about using nigga as a term of indearment. I remember back in 90 saying Never Ignorant Gettin Goals Accomplished but 16 yrs later shouldn’t i let this go…It is my own personal struggle, feel me…? Just stumbled onto this blog, it is hot….but being one of those mid 30s folks who remember where they were when the heard their first LL or Run DMC album, i have a lot of concern about the direction of hip hop. I have 3 seeds and they love hip hop, but i make sure they get their dose of the old school stuff. We just finished listening to the Blueprint album (whoop, not Jay-Z, but KRS’s album. I forgot some of yall posting may not have been alive in 89 when that came out (smile). Hip hop is currently missing the balance commercial hip hop is running the show right now and most commercial hip hop is not saying much. We got stop letting the HOT 107.9 and 97.1 tell us what is hot cause those stations are on the payola. Keep underground alive. That is why i like this blog, many of the posters seem to have some knowledge of hip hop history, however some of yall seem to be internet thugs…remember “real bad boys move in silence”

    Now my opinion on this bussa bus situation… remember when he was a leader of the new school. dude is not gangster, he used to hang with Qtip and De-La Soul(that is not a slight, those groups are classics) It has been well stated above that he has an obligation to either avenge the death or co-operate with the PoPo. Bussa is not a gangster so he is not putting out any hits to have a death avenged, so to do right would be to drop the knowledge on who did what. But there should have been a lot of others who saw what went down…where are they…This whole thing reminds me of the movie CB4…. peace….ab

  19. beastnigga Says:

    THROUGH MY MISERY AND PAIN/ I OVERCAME THA STRAIN OF THA GAME/ LET MY NUTZ HANG/ MAD CUZ I’M AFFILIATED 2 GANGZ/ GIVE ME STRESS, IN THA PRESS/ BECAUSE I SAID NIGGA/ BUT IT’Z A MILLION OF ME BEHIND THA TRIGGA/ I PRAY 2 GOD, THAT WE CAN GO FROM LIL HOMIEZ/ 2 SUMTHIN BIGGA/ THA WORLD WASN’T MADE 4 US/ STANDIN IN FRONT OF THA BARREL WHEN THA GUNZ BUST/ THIZ NIGGA GOT IT CRUNK IN HERE/ SMUGGLED THA PUMP IN HERE/ HEAVY SLUGZ MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLAER/ I AIN’T THA ONE 2 FUCK WIT, BUCK WIT,/ NO APOLOGIEZ, 4 MY ANALOGIEZ, I REALLY DON’T GIVE A FUCK/!!…..IZ THAT NIGGA ENUFF 4 YA?!!!

  20. jersey Says:

    lol…..ABCE waitin on ur response…….ur lack of response tells me you actually intended to initiate some attention to urself…..lets hear your logic and how u feel ur words are appropriate in ur statement….im not overly concern as to the fact that u said it but rather how u came to allow it to part ur “quick draw Mcgraw” lips. lol

  21. beastnigga Says:

    it’s been quite for a minute, here go y’all niggaz wake up call from ballin’ out last night.shake it off. told u i’m througho.!!….”TO HELP MY NIGGAZ, I WUZ FLOWN IN/ MATTER OF FACT, BLOWN IN /PACKED,DETONATED, AND DROPPED BY A BOMB, TO MAKE THA SHOW BEGIN/ I’M IN THA THA M.D, SIMPLY/ TO BE JUDGE, JURY, AND EXCLUSIVE EXECUTIONER/ RIDE WIT ME NOW NIGGAZ, I’M THA MOTHAFUCKIN’ REVOLUTIONER/ CALL ME MANDELA/ SPIT DIRT, FROM MOTHER EARTH, ACCAPELLA/WISE GUY, BUT U CAN ADDRESS ME AZ GOODFELLA/ FEW EVEN ON MY LEVEL/ SIMILAR TO THA MARINEZ/ SHARP SHOOTER AND SCOPE,INFRA-RED BEAMZ/ WE ONLY BLAST WHEN WE SEE THA WHITEZ OF THEY EYEZ/ THEY TELLIN TRUE LIEZ/ BUT AIN’T GOT THA GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA/ TO HELP THA UNIT OR GAME WHEN IT RUN UP ON YA/…….REST N PEACE TOOKIE WILLIAMS. DEAD 4 NOTHING, BUT I STILL FLAG BLUE. EDUCATION IZ THA WAY. ALL GANGTAZ EITHER END UP IN JAIL OR DEAD 4 EVER. ONE!

  22. Lili Says:

    lol @ CB4…

  23. TL Says:

    Yo AllChemist ,
    You quoting Q-tip like he a prophet or community leader or something
    I mean to each his own bot dont quote ma some bullshit

    KRS-One says.. ‘Now we got white kids calling themselves nigga’… What hurts even more is you have this ridiculous assertion being spouted by some brothers who will point out that there’s a big difference between the word ‘Nigger’ and ‘Nigga’. Hence when I was growing up I was being called ‘Nigger’ which is offensive.. but when some white or Asian kid comes rolling up to me today talking about ‘What’s up my Nigga’? I should embrace him because this kid is down with hip hop culture… Even sadder is you have some brothers who take this word and flip it so that it empowers them..

  24. TL Says:

    Nigger nor Nigga
    by Tarik Nia

    When we call each other “nigger”
    Do you think that makes us bigger?

    (You say there’s a difference between “nigger” and “nigga”
    But slaves been calling themselves “nigga”
    ever since they learned to say masta.
    And if you think you’re saying something different…
    Don’t fool yourself…slave)

    Anyway, back to what I was saying…
    When we call each other “nigger”
    Do you think that makes us bigger?
    Huh? Is that what you think?
    How you figure?
    While y’all playing
    Do you realize what you’re saying?

    Self creation evolves from our name
    We’ll become what we proclaim
    So folks we speak insane
    What? To be “niggers” become our aim?
    No! But thats how we’ve been trained
    Still got chains around the brain
    Our self-defeat so deep ingrained
    that we all laugh to hide the pain

    And it’s crazy how we fuss
    Can’t call it nothing else
    The way we cuss when they call us
    The same name we call ourselves!
    But a white voice will make you remember
    All the misery and pain
    When “crackers” called us “nigga”
    As we were raped and hanged
    Tortured and dismembered
    All the evil that was done!
    So now we call us “nigga”
    And say it’s all in fun

    Now ain’t that neurotic?
    I mean Ain’t that confusion?!
    “Nigger” lives be so chaotic
    Cause they living in delusion!
    Now I know folks disagree with me
    They say it’s my mistake
    And if a brother calls me his “nigga”
    Well that’s all love and not self-hate

    But it is self-hatred
    Can’t you see the contradiction?
    You might have made the N word sacred
    But you ain’t changed the definition!
    And everytime that a brother dies
    Because a black man pulled a trigger…
    You tell me the reason why
    The last word’s always”nigger”!

  25. TL Says:

    Yo bitchnigga , I mean beastnigga

    I feel you I see what you trying to say
    By the way I been on this site for a minute now (check Mobb Deep posts Stray Shots and plenty others)

    “ANYWAY TL STAY OUT MY WAY . YOU WILL BE EMBRASSED ON THIS BITCH”
    I dont know if meant embrased or embarrassed , but either way its highly
    unlikely.

    PEASE

  26. beastnigga Says:

    we can not abolish the word. but i feelv u my brotha. richard pryor taught us first to embrace the word. take the power from it. now it’s engrained into civaliization like concrete. weapons of mass destruction? eliminate the fallen angel or this word from the vocabulary, see which one drop first. checkmate.

  27. ab Says:

    TL & all,

    Goodie Mob said it very well on the first track of their excellent 2nd album (Still Standing – 1998)
    ——————————————————————————–
    Artist: Goodie MOb
    Album: Still Standing
    Song: The Experience
    Typed by: kmelpla@hotmail.com

    Yeah, better believe that slick
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha yeah
    I Thought you said you was the G-O-D
    sound like another nigger to me, ha ha, yeah
    I thought you said you was the G-O-D
    sound like another nigger to me, shit
    What a nigger do, what a nigger does
    and a nigger is what a nigger was
    and a nigger done read history but yet his eyes didn’t see
    the only reason you a nigger is because somebody else wants you to be
    well a nigger uneducated, intergrated, singin’ “We shall overcome”
    A nigger trying to be white is what a nigger seem like have become
    and when they call me a nigger to my face’
    can’t do nothin’ but walk away
    but here it is niggers call other niggers niggers each and every day
    dividing and conquering
    when they say the lighter shade of black is okay
    after the middle class and they passin’ by
    the project land where we stay
    since a nigger had got grown, had a little bitty of nigger of my own
    should’ve known I couldn’t show ’em no better what I was showin’
    Shit, I could’ve hit the club as fresh as I could be
    really, all for another nigger to see
    you know how a nigger get when he see another nigger outfit
    don’t want nobody to have what he ain’t got
    somebody get drunk, get mad, and get shot
    that why the property value ain’t no good in a nigger neihborhood
    a nigger could overstand if he only understood
    I’m sick of lyin’ I’m sick of glorifyin’ dyin’
    I’m sick of not trying, shit I’m sick of being a nigger
    destiny sent me to this dread and she said she felt led
    to offer me some wisdom from this notebook she read
    and it said that right then the black man’s downfall
    was not know that we were not ever niggers at all, hmm
    and she looked deeply into my eyes and said brother don’t you know
    you complain about being black,
    when they mad coz they can’t be black no mo’
    so many black men out here trying to be niggers
    keeping it real to the point that they dying to be niggers
    when in actuality the fact is you ain’t a nigger because you black
    you a nigger cause of how you act
    but, you don’t want me to tell you the truth, so I’ma lie to you
    make it sound fly to you huh, huh,
    you don’t wanna hear the truth, so I’ma lie to you
    make it sound fly to you, shit
    The nigger experience
    the nigger experience
    has been stated, it was created
    The nigger experience
    ———————————————————-
    It is time to let the niggas and niggers go and become something bigger and better. We are bigger than that….

    Hip hop was an instrument of many of our people learning Black pride in the late 80s. Let’s bring that beat back……

    peace,
    ab

  28. beastnigga Says:

    TL IT’Z ON .COMIN’ FA YA PUNK AZZ. BEE-YATCH!!! ( IZ THA SPELLIN CORRECT NOW HO3?)!!! U AIN’T SEEN NUTTIN YET MUDAFUCKIN WHITE BAWY!!! U IVY LEAGUE CHILD MOLESTED PUSSY.!! THIZ AIN’T NO SPELLIN BEE!!! ( BY THE WAY THAT WAS A DOUBLE NEGATIVE,JUST INCASE YOU DIDN’T KNOW, FAG ASS BITCH) I SAW YOUR WEAK ASS POST ON THA MOBB DEEP SHIT. IWAS JUST ABOUT TO HIT YOU AND LOOKED OVER HERE. HOW OLD ARE YOU MOTHERFUCKA?!!! TAKE YA LIL TEENAGE AZZ 2 BED AND ASK YA MOMMA TO HELP YOU WIT MY SPELLIN’ BEFO U GO 2 SLEEP. U LIL FATHERLESS BASTAD.!!! OH YEAH!!!! TELL THAT BITCH TO HIT ME AT “BEASTNIGGA.COM” SO SHE CAN SUCK MY DICK.! GET THA FUCK OUTTA HERE LIL AZZ HOMPHADITE…(IS THAT SPELLED RIGHT)?

  29. TL Says:

    Yo beast
    what your bitch-ass flippin for now
    first I aint no white boy, I’m a real brotha (not fakin like you)
    second I’m 39 (not 23 like you)
    third I’m educated (unlike your ignorant ass)

    And by the way fatherless and bastard means the same thing, why dont suck your own dick like you normally do (freak) ,the word is hermaphrodite
    (I would’ve thought a faggot ass fag like you would know that).

    PEACE

  30. TL Says:

    Yo ab
    good post i feel ya.

  31. AllChemist Says:

    ab, TL,
    don’t get me twisted. Personally I try to keep the word out of my mouth, but I can’t say it doesn’t slip out on occassion especially around old friends. Somehow it seemed more ok when the culture was still mostly just for us…

    I understand that the word was likely first adopted by our people trying to identify with their oppressors in order to feel superior to the other slaves around them; belittling their brothers and sisters in a weak attempt at self esteem in a world where they were taught that the value of a black life was next to nothing.

    I also understand that language is fluid and often nowadays intent precedes etimology. So when a certain individual says ‘wsup my nigga’ I understand what he means ‘friend/brother’. Just like I know that when my British friend says he wants a ‘fag’ he means he wants a cigarrette. We all speaking the same english, just the variation that we picked up on our own journey.

    I mentioned the Tip song cuz I feel he explained it objectively and from the perspective of the average cat who uses the word. To get to the point, a lot of hip hoppers are going to use it and you can either factor that in and understand their intent, or keep wasting energy and breath. For me I think its enough to work on just curbing my use of the word.

  32. ab Says:

    AllChemist,

    No doubt, most of us would not take the time to post to this site if we didn’t care about hip hop culture…so I feel you on what you are saying…I can’t be hyprocritical and say I have completely stopped my usage as well, but with 2 sons and a daughter, my awareness has changed for the better.

    What is up with Tip anyway, I thought he had a new album coming out?

  33. beastnigga Says:

    aye TL, you 39? i’m 34. i ain’t white either. you educated? it figures. i know how to call you lameoz out dont’ i ? stay behind ya desk nigga. you dont know the streets, ain’t from the streets, and don’t want no part of tha streets. you would get removed like a bigass tumor. (the hermaphodite shit was a punch line ) sucka duck muthafucka!! i put that there since i’m talking to a dean of addmissions ass nerd. go clean up ya bifocals, finish ya housework for ya white barbie doll ass bitch. click on your bet and try to emulate the rest of the black race. sellout faggot ass punk!!

  34. TL Says:

    Yo AllChemist

    I definitely feel ya , well said.

    Yo beast

    I’m from S.E. D.C. and I still live there, how street is that.

    PEACE

  35. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    WORDS FROM CHUCK D ABOUT HOW STUPID ALL YOU “STOP SNITCHING” PEOPLE ARE DONT SHOOT THE MESSANGER. THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS ON ALLHIPHOP.COM BUT HE IS THE SNITCHING PART.

    AllHipHop.com: You pen a monthly column in Elemental magazine. In the latest issue, you wrote two pages on “What I Want to See From Hip-Hop in 2006”. In particular, you address your displeasure with the Stop Snitchin’ campaign. I urge people to read the article, but tell me, in a nutshell, why you feel that way…

    Chuck D: What I’m sayin’ is – to make this even smaller than a nutshell – is that I’m so ticked off of smarter people havin’ to dumb themselves down to feel comfortable with themselves in society. It’s not a Black thing homie, it’s an American thing. Americanism encourages people not to be smart, not to figure out what’s really goin’ on in the first place. So when it comes down to it, to see college journalists actually accept these aspects in Hip-Hop just so they can feel like they’re down with it, or down with the streets, this is a ridiculous notion. At the end of the streets, are two industries – jail and death, which are highly profitable for everybody other than who comes up out of the hood. [laughs] So I think, if somebody’s smart, and they know better, than they should say better. The whole snitchin’ aspect – if your mom needs to get from one place to another safely, how you gonna actually say she don’t need no protection? If you can’t protect her, who the hell can? I just think a lot of these cats in Hip-Hop who know better, are so hypocritical to the way things are really supposed to be.

    AllHipHop.com: What do you tell those people?

    Chuck D: I would tell them that I don’t care how rough they say they life is in America. I deal with cats who are from Russia, and I ain’t never seen no hard life as Russia. How will people know if they don’t respect themselves? My job is also to give as much respect to them as possible. When I see wrong, I say, “That s**t’s wack, that’s f**ked up.” Hip-Hop is also known as the artform that points at s**t as being wack. Snitchin’ came out of the 60’s, when you had revolutionaries who had the neighborhood in the best interest, [as] they were actually being disassembled by COINTELPRO. But if you don’t know what happened in the 60’s, and you don’t know COINTELPRO, and you just lookin’ at snitchin’ as somebody who just rattin’ out on a drug-dealer who ain’t doing no good for no f**kin’ body any God damned way, you’re grossly misunderstood – and Hip-Hop’s not about that. When it comes down to that criminal element, it affects Black people first. They can say I’m a racist, but that’s just the way it is. When I say I’m a ‘race man’, it’s easy for people to run away from me, or say, “Ah, I heard it before.” This ain’t a passing trend, this is what it is. I’mma die Black. That’s just the way it is. Society doesn’t need dumb mothaf**kas actually speaking for us – that needs to stop. The country already has a village idiot at the top. We don’t need that same attitude in Hip-Hop. Quote me on that

  36. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    damn chuck d shut you fools up huh?

  37. ABCE Says:

    Yea awright Let’s jump back inna it.

    TL Thank You THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU – even if you were not talkin’ to me – I Love what you seem to – TEACH, see how your brothers start to respond to you they – started to be open to what you were saying – stay powerful –

    Jersey YOU’RE a white boy – I see you. Welcome – – I am more interested in my brothers right now… so…. in the lights – just listen & learn – you have some responsibility out here as a white person – think on it…. and enough of you.

    BEASTNIGGA – you too defensive dude but I’m not mad at ya baby. Please read some Richard Wright, Eldridge Cleaver(who yes, beat his woman but…. read him anyway), Paul Laurnce Dunbar, Ralph Ellison – oh hell too many to name, the list is endless – I really think you’ll love some of those words, REALLY. Of course I am sure you’ve read exstensivley about all that. Read about Fannie Lou Hammer – now that’s a GULLY sister. Then come back to me. Otherwise you are just being immature, whinning – but I LOVE that you are willing and seem to want more – GOOD BOY. NOW, you cannot put me in my place – ’cause my place is everywhere – you know that when things affect BLACK MAN – it affects us double – don’t you f_ _ _ _ _ _ understand that BOY! I was not saying anything YOU ALL have not said here ALREADY. The only reason I mentioned it was BECAUSE Someone reffered to me as male and I want you niggers to know-

    Stop being a bully AND girls can play too, grow-the-fuck-up and stop showing-off.

    tyrone bigGUMS-Wha you the only that could be reckless? I don’t like everything you have to write – SOOOOOoooooooo what??. Imma still be up in Hea. Right here. All the shzz you be saying and I can’t talk?? Come now.

    Allchemist -spff

    Love ya Lili- you had some good stuff to offer. We may not be on the same page but – good point.

    Buster was NOT THE ONLY PERSON THERE…………

  38. tyronebiggums71 Says:

    ^^^ you can talk all you want all i was saying was that specific line you had threw me off, and that specific line was reckless, if you actually read what i say i just say that you have to be careful how you place your words. also most the people that post on here post daily and we know each other through this shit, none of us knew you we just saw your words about “NIGGER MEN” and we all found it to have a racist tone to it, and if you cant understand how that could of pissed some people off or made them uneasy then you need to check yourself, imagine if someone you knew nothing about made a comment like that, you would probably assume it was some racist bigot just like we all did. i dont expect you to agree with everything i say but have i ever said anything on here that could of possibly offended you or your friends???? but your specific comment offended a bunch of us so i dont understand how you cant expect this “nigger men” please have some self respect and respect for your fellow africian americans and try not to do anymore degradeing to the race.

    and again busta was not the only person there but he was the only person who isreal ramirez was protecting with his life and he did that so busta owes it to him and his family the most, how can anyone else even argue that, izzy wasnt there protecting swizz beats or anyone else izzy gave his life protecting busta busta owes him point blank period what more can someone do for you than give there life for yours???? what would it take for people of your ilk to hold busta responsible????

  39. ABCE Says:

    bigGUMS,

    Do you really care about racsism – I mean you use n this and n that. What about violence – that’s worse than racsism – that is how this brother was killed NOT racism – f_ _ _ racsism, who cares if a mofo don’t like black f’em.

    Talkin’ about me catching heat – I can take the heat – you do not own this site – right. I mean okay I saw something that I felt strongly about.

    You are preaching to the choir – I know buster boy knows what the right thing is – look how scary/soft he looks in the picture. Anyway, somebody WAIT make that MANY humans those who WERE THERE have got to make that man’s life mean something – in effect their own lives MEAN something, but they do not have to give a FUCK – and so nobody will;

    now I gots issues with the beasts(cops) and some say let them do their work! I don’t love them – they have very much f’d with my community –

    but STILL Buster was not the only one there.

  40. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    ^^^ first off show me one post just one post where i say n___ this and n___ that, because i dont the only time you will see it is when i copied someones lines to respond to them, i dont EVER AND I MEAN EVER use that fucking word that word stems from hate and does nothing but spread hate fuck using it as a term of enderment you know how many white kids think its not that big of a deal to say it anymore? do you know why they think that, its always the same shit , hey black people call themselves it all the time so obviously its not that bad. it doesnt matter why you may use a word with that much power, it only matters how it is perceived. and YES I DO HATE RACISM as much as senseless murder ??? of course not but anything based on blind hate i dont respect or fuck with but hey thats me.

    also when i said that about you takeing heat i didnt mean it as me giving you heat it was more of a warning on how things work here cause like i said im on here almost everyday at work and i havent seen you on here at all so in all honestly it was just a warning about others it wasnt a threat

    and again i agree,in fact i said weeks ago, that some other people besides just should also be held responsible but busta owes the most( besides the guy who actual shot izzy but we all know he aint confessing ) ask izzy’s family who they want to hear it from the most and i will bet my life that they say busta

  41. ABCE Says:

    got you.

    But I bet the family just wants to know – and nobody who was (none of them mostly wealthy people) there should have a pass. mary, missy ALL a ‘dem

  42. TYRONEBIGGUMS Says:

    agreed every artist that was there should make a statement saying what they know. and instead of letting this father/husband die for nothing why dont all of these people make his death mean something and use it as a positive spin for hip-hop and rappers, the older heads at work are always busting my balls about listening to rap because of the sensless violence and how can i defend hip-hop and its artists when they keep doing fooilsh indefensible things, i know the older heads would be shocked and seriously impressed if just one of them did the right thing it would put all of hip-hop in a better light

  43. beastnigga Says:

    have you two aired out ya greivances? hopefully yes. now i’m not siding with either one of you (ty, abce) but both of you had good points. first of all abce, thx for the read collection. i have read most of them but not all.good looks. but anyway i only came at you because the way you phrased “NIGGER MEN” now it’s water under the bridge baby. you reminded me of my woman with the “BOY” shit. true enough she catch hell when call me that, but it’s out of spite. not disrespect. also i’m not a bully. girls can play all they want ,but you getting the ideology of grown men in here. that’s why i agree with ty too. we are here everyday and you and lili just show up. i told you before you was going to have to deal with mothafuckaz on here, didn’t i? do ya thang. p.s. for the record. before you be jockin’ TL dick to hard,with all ya thank you, thank you shit. that nigga get ignornant too.! just a word 2 tha wise, playa.

  44. CapoDituttiCapi Says:

    Black males for the most part act like lions in the jungle. Can’t be more than one of us occupying a space (i.e. guys fighting at shows, the clubs, everywhere else). Until Black men can coexist together, “Niggas” will never have a culture. One.

  45. abce Says:

    oouuuuh beast you good. Hey, so you know, boy is ALL love as in baby boy. I think we worked it out – I appreciate your grown man – absolutely YES! It’s nice to know I can be wit the boys – I like it. No jockin’, just conversatin’ that’s all. Thanks for the heads-up however – yeah.

    Capo – you raise a good point. ’cause it seems like brothers can’t love each other – ’cause it’s soft. I ain’t sayin’ people have to hug and dance together – just look out for each other. I been around that killin’ and fighting and it never, ever, ever balances out – somebody will always either die or be in jail – and talk about fuckin’ up brothers manhoods – prison industrial complex is it. Starting at juve; the spofford’s, etc. But some of the best and brightest come from the projects and poverty it always kills to see these very smart beautiful brothers with no options.

  46. MySteeK Says:

    Biggup to BIGGUMS. Couldnt have said it any clearer…
    “when you see you boy and none the less your FUCKING BODYGUARD, THE DUDE WAS OBVIOUSLY DOWN TO GIVE HIS LIFE FOR SOMEONE ELSE AND YOUR JUST GONNA LET THE KILLER WALK. BUSTA SAYING WHAT HE KNOWS WOULDNT BE SNITCHING IT WOULD JUST BE BEING A MAN. WE AS PEOPLE CANT CONTINUE TO TURN OUR HEADS TO THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR AND THINK ITS ACCEPTABLE TO LET COLD-BLOODED MURDERS WALK FREE CAUSE YOU THINK IT MIGHT GO AGAINST SOME UNWRITTEN CODE. GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE USE YOUR HEAD AND THINKS WHAT IS BEST FOR SOCIETY TO HAVE THE BOY THAT KILLED IZZY ON THE STREETS OR DEAD OR IN JAIL????”

    Great distinction…Thats about the realest shit I read up on this whole board. Word up!

  47. Chamorrita Says:

    That’s some fuck shit for real!

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